Time to Plan for next year

[Stymietee]

The way that they handled the SM situation IMO still haunts this team. If they wanted to get rid of him - great - but they should have immediately replaced him w/ an actual GM & not Allen. I want someone who cares about winning period. Allen is worried about looking good & getting credit & it appears to get in the way.

This whole setup just make me seriously question Snyder's desire to win at all costs. I realize that injuries were a huge factor this season, but I believe that it goes beyond that. This organization needs to take a look in the mirror & seriously question what they are doing wrong & what they need to correct moving fwd (beyond simply what players need to be re-signed). Unfortunately I believe that their egos will get in the way & that is why I am frustrated about what this team can truly do in the future (would love to be wrong). HTTR - fuck Snyder!

I wanted to talk about this for some time now, thought it best to hold off until such time as our playoff future was determined, but now, intend to create another thread on the subject sometime today. . I hope that it will not turn into another Kirk Cousins thread. Good, well timed post!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I wanted to talk about this for some time now, thought it best to hold off until such time as our playoff future was determined, but now, intend to create another thread on the subject sometime today. . I hope that it will not turn into another Kirk Cousins thread. Good, well timed post!

Yep - fair enough - appreciate it. I am talking about organizational issues - not personnel issues but don't have much hope since it is hard for folks to see issues about themselves especially when those folks have huge egos. We will see.

 

[gkekoa]

My plan is evaluation.

KC is a must sign but I don’t think we will.

Perine has been very good IMO. Look at his feet and his vision with all our OL injuries. Some of the cuts and moves he put on against Dallas were very good. I loved the one in the end zone.

I have a love/hate with Crowder. I just don’t remember him dropping passes and fumbling last season. His dropped pass turning into the interception pretty much destroyed us last night.

Josh Doctson needs to work on catching some bricks with Jerry Rice. He needs to develop some hand strength. Then he can ask Jerry how to run a route. I love his athleticism but the only time he gets thrown to is contested jump balls it seems. He always gets his hands on them but like last night, got it knocked out twice.

Jordan Reed is a huge question mark...all I am saying.

OL just needs health and strength.

Defensively, we need to resign Zach Brown. We need to consider resigning Breeland.

We need another impact DL, another ILB, and another safety.

 

[Stymietee]

My plan is evaluation.

KC is a must sign but I don’t think we will.

Perine has been very good IMO. Look at his feet and his vision with all our OL injuries. Some of the cuts and moves he put on against Dallas were very good. I loved the one in the end zone.

I have a love/hate with Crowder. I just don’t remember him dropping passes and fumbling last season. His dropped pass turning into the interception pretty much destroyed us last night.

Josh Doctson needs to work on catching some bricks with Jerry Rice. He needs to develop some hand strength. Then he can ask Jerry how to run a route. I love his athleticism but the only time he gets thrown to is contested jump balls it seems. He always gets his hands on them but like last night, got it knocked out twice.

Jordan Reed is a huge question mark...all I am saying.

OL just needs health and strength.

Defensively, we need to resign Zach Brown. We need to consider resigning Breeland.

We need another impact DL, another ILB, and another safety.

Let me ask you about Crowder specifically, how much of that through the hands interception do you attribute to him previously getting a severe headache/ near concussion previously in that circumstance. To be sure there was time to catch it and either turn and run or hit the ground, but I believe that he was not as aware of that as it might appear to us. Thanks!

 

[gkekoa]

Let me ask you about Crowder specifically, how much of that through the hands interception do you attribute to him previously getting a severe headache/ near concussion previously in that circumstance. To be sure there was time to catch it and either turn and run or hit the ground, but I believe that he was not as aware of that as it might appear to us. Thanks!

There is no telling. All we know for sure is it was an easy catch, it hit his hands perfectly, it bounced off his hands and Dallas caught it. That was the beginning of the end.

 

[Sharkinva]

There is no telling. All we know for sure is it was an easy catch, it hit his hands perfectly, it bounced off his hands and Dallas caught it. That was the beginning of the end.

No no no, Cousins threw it too hard and too high. If we didnt know any better one would think he was throwing it to the Dallas DB and Crowder almost made a hell of a play in trying to break up said interception.

 

[skinsdad62]

the 1st thing we need to do when planning for next year is to decide 2 things
A) what is the state of our team
B) what is the next step

so what is the step of our team ? i will give you my estimation

we have about 69 mil in cap space , we have 2 key FA's we need to retain , KC and brown and some minor ones TM , Long and we have to decide about BB

we have 2 players norman , and Reed who will either have to take pay cuts or we may have to move on from them . if we move on from norman then BB becomes a must sign . if we move on from reed the TE becomes an issue

we have 8 draft picks not counting any comp picks we may receive

now for this organization to be successful a few things have to happen

1) you need a plan and you need to stick to it
2) you need a GM with the power to implement and stick to it
3) you need stability in the FO on the coaching staff , and at qb
4) draft picks are gold and you need to hold onto or get as many as you can in every draft
5) you dont build teams via FA , you go after young FA's with upside and avoid anyone over 29 unless its a stop gap move
6) develop and reward our own talent

do the above things and that is what a long term plan needs to have . so with that in mind understand if you move one from a KC then stability at QB must come from the new guy

if you pay a price in draft picks you have to at least plan that the next 2 drafts will be gutted and young talent will come from late round picks and UDRFA 's and hope you hit on a few

and you have to believe you will only get a 20-30% hit rate on FA's
Pryor , Quick , Mcclain fit into the bust category Mcgee falls into overpaid , DJ and brown are hits . so 2 of 6 were economic hits out of 6

our history in FA prior to SM has been a low rate of success and a tendency to go for age and names sometimes it works VD being a plus however VD has hit a wall and norman falls into the overpay category but he was a SM find

so for the immediate plan i shut down TW and let him have his surgery . i dont know the status of moses yet but if he is really hurt shut him down

i would give Moreau more playing time because he might replace one of your starting qbs

that being said i wouldnt tank . play to win . we arent getting a top qb , so the baker mayfield , josh allen , and mason rudolph appear to be our non trade up qbs of the future subject to change through the draft maybe lamar jackson

alex smith or tyrod taylor or AJ mccarron appear to be our FA qbs with eli in the mix as a place holder

Looking at those alternatives i believe you pay KC if you believe you are team that can be a perennial contender starting next season with good health and a solid defensive draft

if not then maybe you move on because drafting a qb means taking a step back , at least from a planning standpoint . see what most people dont get when it comes to planning is you hope for the best but PLAN for the worst . planning that you will hit on a rookie winning 10 games or better in year one is a recipe for failure . Planning it may take a year or 2 for the qb to reach competency is the smarter statistically proven approach

now who to pick ? how much do you trade up to get Rosen or darnold ? and do you have a realistic shot at either ? first off what does the 2018 draft class and/or 2019 class look like ? see that determines if rosen or darnold would even be available in a trade scenario . , so far most scouts are calling those 2 classes weak at qb .
i cant see the browns or giants passing on either one . the 49ers could take a kings ransom for their pick if they finish 1st or 2nd since they most likely wont need a qb (either KC or grap which could leave us the scraps ) . however since the allen /snyder combo was so gracious when dumping the shanny's i dont know if a deal can be worked out .

that leaves us with Allen rudolph mayfield and jackson . the 1st 3 have warts meaning they are KC types who will take time to develop. jackson appears to be a vick or RG 3 who cant really read NFL defenses and rely on athleticism to thrive . the same questions jackson had coming into the year as a passer are still the same we have now

if i am GM my move is to draft the qb that falls to us and simply dont trade up. we did that with ramsey , JC and RG3 and niether has worked and all set the franchise back several years

then i would address d/line , Ilb , OG TE RB wr safety IN free agency since KC money would be freed up i would look for a placeholder qb . one of the above mentioned a free agent wr , and some defense at safety ILB and at NT . i would resign Long , BB , TM JR and keep Norman and Reed and bring in a younger TE

this is my without KC scenario my with KC scenario will be in the next POST

 

[skinsdad62]

In my previous plan i spent much of the post outlining where i think we are at , what our base philosophy should be , and focused on a KC less team going forward .

one thing that must be accepted in the planning phase is losing KC is a setback , a 2 year one . now that doesnt mean we go spiraling into another decade of ineptitude but as i said 3 years ago when we didnt pay KC that you the fan had to accept that the cost of keeping KC will/would go up and if he did well you will have to pay him . about 1/3 og the regular posters were on board until the day of reckoning came then you had "buyers remorse "

and as such the fan base must accept a 2 years set back for moving on . some will quabble over that , but book mark this if you feel i am plain nuts . i KNOW i am not when its in a planning phase

so what will it cost to keep KC ? well simple math says 34 mil a year, why ? because that is the tag number and no agent will let him resign with washington unless it is at least the tag figure . so BA better come strong because this low ball shit wont cut the mustard . signing KC early is huge and J-y19 is right . time only makes it worse

if you cant sign him early then the exclusive tag is the only sense making one . the transition tag offers no compensation and you most likely will have to match a front loaded deal . if you cant match it you lose KC and the 3rd round comp. pick . some of you are going to have to swallow this price tag because stafford money is now obsolete once a 34 mil tag is on the table and it already is . so dean wake up and research the facts because that is the truth baby , stafford money has left the building already

to sign KC its going to take 102 mil guaranteed for 3 years at a minimum and it could take more . any other years are irrelevant . the guarantee is the meat . swallow hard people because this is a BA fiasco . think about it we could have had KC locked up 2 years ago at 16 mil a year , now we are at 34 mil do to shoddy management

that would take 35 mil out of the 69 . so a couple of things would need to happen . Norman and reeds contract would have to be looked at and cutting one or both could be in the cards . resigning brown will cost about 10 mil a yr so with that TM BB could be gone hence needing moreau to play becomes important this year . if Norman goes then BB comes in at 10 mil a year and you could bring in one quality FA or resign JR TM and Long

now the draft . if we keep KC then i think you take the best OG or d/lineman in round one if value is there . draft a RB in round 2 draft a ILB /TE / S/ CB in round 3 and focus on BPA /defense with the rest

you then could have dox going into yr 3 ready to make a contribution , perine and CT with new drafted RB in the mix . the awful hole at LG filled a healthy Allen back with a healthy ionman and lanier with a new rookie in there . a new ILB and some safety depth

if we have these things i think we can field a playoff contender next season if we go the other way add 2 years