The Official Kirk Cousins post MNF game thread .

[Breed]

Y'all needed a QB and he was the best one available. There was no reach in that instance.

Are you unbalanced? Not no, but mothafuck no he wasn't the best one available, and it was an terribly, asinine reach.

He played a 5 seasons total. Not one time did he play a full 16 game schedule. He threw 20 TDs and 5 INTs in 2012. From 2013 - 2016 He threw 22 TDs n 21 INTs. He scored 7 rushing TDs in 2012. He scored 3 rushing TDs in the next 4 seasons.

 

[Yo Tee]

Are you unbalanced? Not no, but mothafuck no he wasn't the best one available, and it was an terribly, asinine reach.

He played a 5 seasons total. Not one time did he play a full 16 game schedule. He threw 20 TDs and 5 INTs in 2012. From 2013 - 2016 He threw 22 TDs n 21 INTs. He scored 7 rushing TDs in 2012. He scored 3 rushing TDs in the next 4 seasons.

Jesus Christ with the fucking insults again.

Noone is saying he was a good QB. At that time, in 2012, he was scouted as the best QB available at #2 and the Redskins didn't want to take the chance at him being scooped up by someone else so they did what they felt they needed to do. With hindsight, it was obviously a bad move. But in 2012, it was a good move that got you a division title.

 

[Breed]

You guys are mad at Sty cuz he said Wentz is better than Cuz. Really?

Who doesn't think Wentz is better than Cuz? Cartainly not John Keim.

PHILADELPHIA -- The Washington Redskins have a good quarterback, one to build an offense around. The Eagles have a QB to build a franchise around, one who elevates the talent around him and can make plays when nothing seems available. There's a difference, and it was evident Monday night.

There's a lot that quarterback Kirk Cousins does well for the 3-3 Redskins -- and it's why they are in good shape as long as he's with Washington. But Philadelphia's Carson Wentz does what every team wants. He makes plays when the pocket collapses and has an arm strong enough to throw a 64-yard touchdown pass, yet he also can drop a perfect dime when touch is needed. He did all that in the Eagles' 34-24 win on Monday.

When the Redskins' line started to struggle -- or lose players -- the Eagles were able to contain Cousins and limit his ability to make plays. The Eagles applied pressure up the middle and kept him in the pocket. They could force him into mistakes -- look at the interception in the fourth quarter under duress. When Cousins had time, he was good, but when the line started suffering one injury after another, the Eagles capitalized on his limitations.

But aside from one throw -- he was hit on his lone interception, but it was still a bad pass -- Cousins was good. He did throw for 303 yards and three touchdowns. However, Wentz was spectacular and a difference-maker. There's a debate on where Cousins fits in the league's quarterback rankings; most would put him at around 10 to 15. Wentz should be in the MVP discussion.

 

[Sharkinva]

Jesus Christ with the fucking insults again.

Noone is saying he was a good QB. At that time, in 2012, he was scouted as the best QB available at #2 and the Redskins didn't want to take the chance at him being scooped up by someone else so they did what they felt they needed to do. With hindsight, it was obviously a bad move. But in 2012, it was a good move that got you a division title.

OK I will try not to be insulting here.

Now that we got that out of the way. Basically you are saying something like dude, remember that chick you met at TGI Fridays? She was hot. Ya'll had an awesome night.

Never mind that the next morning you found your self broke, with no wallet, she stole your car. She was still the hottest chick in the bar and you should feel lucky you had that one night (aka the Division championship)

Oh and dont sweat the fact that you are still paying for the shit she charged on your card, remember that magical night.

 

[Sharkinva]

You guys are mad at Sty cuz he said Wentz is better than Cuz. Really?

Who doesn't think Wentz is better than Cuz? Cartainly not John Keim.

I can fully admit Wentz is better than Cousins. And I aint mad at any one for saying it.

Now the everlasting quest for the next hot QB, at the cost of draft picks, coaches and the underlying message that we should ditch our own pretty good QB because we might some how get a Carson Wentz.... thats a bit off the reservation in my book.

So to clarify, if I thought that the stars would align, we could some how have Darnold fall to us without this current season ending 3-13 or us trading three or more first rounders to get him...... Yes Im all in.

But just because Wentz is better than Cousins, we shouldnt be considering a move that will likely net us THIS guy unless we do some serious trading up

Washington Redskins: Clayton Thorson, QB, Northwestern

The Redskins will certainly be interested in a first-round quarterback if they lose Kirk Cousins to the 49ers, as detailed earlier in this mock.

Many may not know the name yet, but according to Charlie Campbell, Clayton Thorson been getting some first-round consideration. Read more in the NFL Hot Press.


Read more: WalterFootball.com: 2018 NFL Mock Draft: First Round Continued

 

[Breed]

Jesus Christ with the fucking insults again.

Noone is saying he was a good QB. At that time, in 2012, he was scouted as the best QB available at #2 and the Redskins didn't want to take the chance at him being scooped up by someone else so they did what they felt they needed to do. With hindsight, it was obviously a bad move. But in 2012, it was a good move that got you a division title.

Fuck that division title. It doesn't mean shit. Let me tell you what else Griffin did for the Skins n 2012. Got both Shannys fired. I didn't and don't like M Shanny's ass, but he was placed in a fucked up situation. Held up the development and progress of Kirk Cousins becoming an NFL QB probably by a season. Fucked off multiple draft picks. Always ran his fuckin mouth when he should've been listening and generally came off as a self-entitled dickhead who placed himself and his brand above the team.

That division title isn't worth anything close to what you seem to believe it is. As a fan of the Steelers and Yankees (excuse me while I roll my eyes) you should realize that.

 

[gkekoa]

I will call it now. Wentz won't make it through the season.

 

[Sportster 72]

Yup. I also like how they say that RG3 gave us that winning season, but any success KC has had is a product of the system. Funny. No QB hs benefited more from a system in the NFL than RG3. He had a system specifically designed to play to his few strengths. But we get it . RG3 was mishandled thus he was doomed from the start. KC has been given every luxury a QB could want.

In addition what many do not remember or do not bring up is in that first season Cousin's was the starting QB in the games against the Browns and he brought the team back to a tie against the Ravens which was later won on a punt return so he HELPED in two of the victories that season.

Notice I said "HELPED" many fans think the QB wins or loses games all by himself. That is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. If you are blaming the QB, a WR etc. for winning or losing you do not understand the game and have zero credibility.

 

[Sportster 72]

I'm confrontational because of how y'all decided talk to me. So guys like you mold the way the conversation goes. You respect me, I respect you. That's how it goes. Throughout the whole time I've been on here, guys like you have disrespected me because of my opinion and because they don't agree with yours. Why would I be respectful to you? So you either drop the shit you got against me because I don't agree with you or this is how it's gonna be forever. I'd rather have civil conversations but maybe that's not possible with you. IDK. But maybe try not to jump down my throat everytime I say something you disagree with.

This is supposedly why we have a Smack Talk thread.

 

[Yo Tee]

OK I will try not to be insulting here.

Now that we got that out of the way. Basically you are saying something like dude, remember that chick you met at TGI Fridays? She was hot. Ya'll had an awesome night.

Never mind that the next morning you found your self broke, with no wallet, she stole your car. She was still the hottest chick in the bar and you should feel lucky you had that one night (aka the Division championship)

Oh and dont sweat the fact that you are still paying for the shit she charged on your card, remember that magical night.

I get why Redskins fans are salty about RG3. But he's led the Redskins to the same amount of success as Kirk Cousins.

Both led the Redskins to a division title.
Both led the Redskins to a playoff game.
Both took a losing team and turned them into a winning team.
Both have been to a Pro Bowl.

Cousins had a better 2nd season, obviously, but the Redskins' success hasn't been drastically different between RG3 and Kirk Cousins. The offense has gotten better with Cousins as QB, but that hasn't equated into playoff appearances or anything like that. Gotta build around Cousins if he's the franchise QB.

 

[Yo Tee]

Fuck that division title. It doesn't mean shit. Let me tell you what else Griffin did for the Skins n 2012. Got both Shannys fired. I didn't and don't like M Shanny's ass, but he was placed in a fucked up situation. Held up the development and progress of Kirk Cousins becoming an NFL QB probably by a season. Fucked off multiple draft picks. Always ran his fuckin mouth when he should've been listening and generally came off as a self-entitled dickhead who placed himself and his brand above the team.

That division title isn't worth anything close to what you seem to believe it is. As a fan of the Steelers and Yankees (excuse me while I roll my eyes) you should realize that.

So after 13 years of not being able to win the division or 7 years of not making the playoffs, 2012 was nothing to you guys? I find that hard to believe.

 

[Yo Tee]

This is supposedly why we have a Smack Talk thread.

Well see, what happens is I speak my opinions on other threads and people get all butthurt because it's not in agreement to their opinions or they get their feelings hurt and they throw insults because that's all they have to add to the conversation.

 

[Sharkinva]

I get why Redskins fans are salty about RG3. But he's led the Redskins to the same amount of success as Kirk Cousins.

Both led the Redskins to a division title.
Both led the Redskins to a playoff game.
Both took a losing team and turned them into a winning team.
Both have been to a Pro Bowl.

Cousins had a better 2nd season, obviously, but the Redskins' success hasn't been drastically different between RG3 and Kirk Cousins. The offense has gotten better with Cousins as QB, but that hasn't equated into playoff appearances or anything like that. Gotta build around Cousins if he's the franchise QB.

Here is the rub. Defending RG3 is usually going to get you the WTF reaction from MOST Redskins fans. I admit there are a few who hold out that the trade was a good idea and we are some how better off for at least having tried the move. But thats kind of like saying Tim Tebow in Denver was a good idea. Or that aside from his political stance, the Niners should have done everything they could to keep Kaep.

At the end of the day, him winning a division title, making the probowl., rookie of the year... none of it made the trade a good move. The only way it becomes an OK move is if he is still the starting QB for the Redskins. As he is out of the league, he is only slightly less a flame out than Ryan Leaf.

 

[Sharkinva]

@Terry Rode If cost were not a factor, and you could have either RG3 or Cousins right now... which would you rather have on your team?? What Griffin did in 2012 means nothing because what he did the following two years and what he cost the team was simply NOT worth what it cost to get him. IF it costs you 4 high draft picks to get a Division title... and NONE of those picks are on your team five years later... the title wasnt worth it. I would have perfered that we had simply drafted Tannehill, kept the other three draft picks and maybe just maybe two of the four players in question would still be here.

 

[Yo Tee]

@Terry Rode If cost were not a factor, and you could have either RG3 or Cousins right now... which would you rather have on your team?? What Griffin did in 2012 means nothing because what he did the following two years and what he cost the team was simply NOT worth what it cost to get him. IF it costs you 4 high draft picks to get a Division title... and NONE of those picks are on your team five years later... the title wasnt worth it. I would have perfered that we had simply drafted Tannehill, kept the other three draft picks and maybe just maybe two of the four players in question would still be here.

Having the knowledge of how both careers end up after 5 years, obviously Kirk Cousins. But in 2012, you're not drafting RG3 AND Cousins thinking that Cousins is the best option. You're drafting 2 QBs that year because you haven't had a decent QB for a LONG time and you're moving up to get what is critically acclaimed as one of the best QB prospects of the draft. Does the fact that you gave up picks to the Rams and they got no one in return not help the fact that you got a division title out of that trade and the Rams got practically nothing?

 

[Sharkinva]

Having the knowledge of how both careers end up after 5 years, obviously Kirk Cousins. But in 2012, you're not drafting RG3 AND Cousins thinking that Cousins is the best option. You're drafting 2 QBs that year because you haven't had a decent QB for a LONG time and you're moving up to get what is critically acclaimed as one of the best QB prospects of the draft. Does the fact that you gave up picks to the Rams and they got no one in return not help the fact that you got a division title out of that trade and the Rams got practically nothing?

NOt one bit. Because at the end of the day, what the Rams did is immaterial. We reached for Griffin. Fell for the hype. Personally I would have never traded UP for a running QB on a rebuilt knee. The only way that trade works out is if Griffin is still our QB and winning MULTIPLE Division and for that matter Super Bowl titles. Being technical about it, we spent 3 draft picks in 2012 on the QB position. Plus one in 2013 and one in 2014. So out of those five draft picks, Kirk is the only thing left.

 

[Yo Tee]

NOt one bit. Because at the end of the day, what the Rams did is immaterial. We reached for Griffin. Fell for the hype. Personally I would have never traded UP for a running QB on a rebuilt knee. The only way that trade works out is if Griffin is still our QB and winning MULTIPLE Division and for that matter Super Bowl titles. Being technical about it, we spent 3 draft picks in 2012 on the QB position. Plus one in 2013 and one in 2014. So out of those five draft picks, Kirk is the only thing left.

I can get that. So do Redskins fans just not talk about 2012? It's like (wrestling reference incoming) the Chris Benoit of the Redskins franchise? You just pretend it never happened?

 

[Sharkinva]

I can get that. So do Redskins fans just not talk about 2012? It's like (wrestling reference incoming) the Chris Benoit of the Redskins franchise? You just pretend it never happened?

Not at all. We know it happened, but MOST of us realize it was a tease and a horrible mistake. Now some will say Griffin was mishandled. Some havent forgiven Kirk fo actually not failing. And as such would rather see him gone no matter the cost.

But again its kind of that remember that one time reference... it was a great season. I admit he even had me fooled for a moment and I was the biggest against the trade poster out there.

 

[Breed]

So after 13 years of not being able to win the division or 7 years of not making the playoffs, 2012 was nothing to you guys? I find that hard to believe.

It (NFC East title) was a fluke and Griffin turned out to be a fraud.

 

[gkekoa]

I have come to the conclusion that trading away first round picks is completely foolish.