tOfficial 2018 Recruiting Thread

[Ickey Shuffle]

We're about to be a top 15 program in both of the major sports soon @ericd7633

It might not be a big rush for us to join a "Power" conference after all.

 

[tnapucco]

Noah Cain: Michigan offer the one ‘I had been waiting on’

This Noah Cain? The one whose trainer is a former UM RB? Sorry, since he is already going to OSU and Texas, figured I'd throw UM in there too.

Does he like to sexually assault women? Does he commit felonies? Well then, Ann Arbor is the place for him to be.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

And as I've mentioned, being at the next level is hardly a guarantee of success in the college ranks. Think of it this way: Harbaugh was at Stanford for 4 years. What guys did he put in the pros that are succeeding? Andrew Luck was a generational talent who would've been the #1 pick no matter where he went, and he seems to be the only one who's really doing anything from 4 years of coaching and 4 years of recruiting. What am I missing?

So Andrew Luck -- the 50th rated high school player was a generational talent? Was Josh Johnson? Harbaugh was his coach and he became not only the first QB, but the first player drafted from San Diego. Was Colin Kaepernick a generational talent? He got him a monster contract in the NFL and now he is jobless.

No one knows what it takes to get to the NFL than someone who has put in the work to get there. And no one knows what goes on in NFL draft rooms than someone who has been through it. No one knows what is expected of you as player in the NFL than someone who has both played and coached that level.

As far as how he did at Stanford -- he had 4 recruiting classes. Obviously Andrew Luck is the top of the list. Harbaugh was the coach who switched Richard Sherman from WR (where he was a freshman all-American) to CB.
Anyways -- during his time there -- he had zero 5 star recruits, but he had 7 four star, 14 three star and 6 two star or unrated players drafted into the NFL.

Some of the notable guys from the list -- Luck, Richard Sherman, David DeCastro, Zach Ertz, Jonathan Martin, Trent Murphy, Coby Fleener, Doug Baldwin.

Remember he not only dealt with academic restrictions at Stanford -- he dealt with taking over one of the worst programs in CFB.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Does he like to sexually assault women? Does he commit felonies? Well then, Ann Arbor is the place for him to be.

Is a fan of a program who is pushing for Baylor status really making comments about crimes? Would you like me to make a list of OU players in the news? It is no wonder that Stoops jumped ship -- he didn't want to go down with it.

 

[romeo212000]

Is a fan of a program who is pushing for Baylor status really making comments about crimes? Would you like me to make a list of OU players in the news? It is no wonder that Stoops jumped ship -- he didn't want to go down with it.

Pushing for Baylor status? Come on, man. I realize you're trying to take a shot here, but don't be stupid about it.

 

[Innermind]

Alright enough already.... get a private room to argue for chrissakes.....



....five pages of this crap about who a kid should go play for in order to increase his chances of being drafted in the NFL....

.....sheeesh.....stop it.



If a college kid excels/dominates at any Power 5 program, he will be drafted in the NFL.




Let's get this damn thread back on topic with recruiting news.

 

[Across The Field]

So Andrew Luck -- the 50th rated high school player was a generational talent? Was Josh Johnson? Harbaugh was his coach and he became not only the first QB, but the first player drafted from San Diego. Was Colin Kaepernick a generational talent? He got him a monster contract in the NFL and now he is jobless.

No one knows what it takes to get to the NFL than someone who has put in the work to get there. And no one knows what goes on in NFL draft rooms than someone who has been through it. No one knows what is expected of you as player in the NFL than someone who has both played and coached that level.

As far as how he did at Stanford -- he had 4 recruiting classes. Obviously Andrew Luck is the top of the list. Harbaugh was the coach who switched Richard Sherman from WR (where he was a freshman all-American) to CB.
Anyways -- during his time there -- he had zero 5 star recruits, but he had 7 four star, 14 three star and 6 two star or unrated players drafted into the NFL.

Some of the notable guys from the list -- Luck, Richard Sherman, David DeCastro, Zach Ertz, Jonathan Martin, Trent Murphy, Coby Fleener, Doug Baldwin.

Remember he not only dealt with academic restrictions at Stanford -- he dealt with taking over one of the worst programs in CFB.

If you think Luck is only what he is because of Harbaugh, so be it I suppose. It's been pretty universally accepted that he was underrated as a recruit as he took to the college game immediately.

Sherman and Decastro, yes those were both guys that flourished under Harbaugh. Jonathan Martin is a bad example, as he sucked and is out of the league. Trent Murphy didn't even play under Harbaugh, and Baldwin wasn't even drafted and only became a top end WR after 3-4 years with the Seahawks.

Time will tell with michigan, but it's not like the academic restrictions shouldn't be there too, right? Again, as I've said before, Urban has proven the ability at OSU to produce RB talent each year. Barring a major injury or a flat-out implosion, Weber will likely be a top 2-3 round pick in 2018. He's being mocked as such, even as a 1st rounder by walterfootball.com. Harbaugh hasn't come close to this level of success with RBs.

 

[ericd7633]

Not even a little bit. My original point was, right now, there's no reason a RB would want to play for michigan over Ohio State. I've supported my case pretty thoroughly. If you have anything that would suggest I'm wrong, I'm all ears.

Your whole argument is based on the fact Elliot was good last year. That's pretty much it. Which is weak, because both coaches can recruit at a high level. Like I said before, having success on the pro level just isn't an indicator of why kids pick the coaches/programs they pick.

 

[ericd7633]

We're about to be a top 15 program in both of the major sports soon @ericd7633

It might not be a big rush for us to join a "Power" conference after all.

Did I say this at some point?

 

[Ickey Shuffle]

Did I say this at some point?

In the College BBall thread. Or am I mistaken?

 

[osubuckeye89]

So Andrew Luck -- the 50th rated high school player was a generational talent? Was Josh Johnson? Harbaugh was his coach and he became not only the first QB, but the first player drafted from San Diego. Was Colin Kaepernick a generational talent? He got him a monster contract in the NFL and now he is jobless.

No one knows what it takes to get to the NFL than someone who has put in the work to get there. And no one knows what goes on in NFL draft rooms than someone who has been through it. No one knows what is expected of you as player in the NFL than someone who has both played and coached that level.

As far as how he did at Stanford -- he had 4 recruiting classes. Obviously Andrew Luck is the top of the list. Harbaugh was the coach who switched Richard Sherman from WR (where he was a freshman all-American) to CB.
Anyways -- during his time there -- he had zero 5 star recruits, but he had 7 four star, 14 three star and 6 two star or unrated players drafted into the NFL.

Some of the notable guys from the list -- Luck, Richard Sherman, David DeCastro, Zach Ertz, Jonathan Martin, Trent Murphy, Coby Fleener, Doug Baldwin.

Remember he not only dealt with academic restrictions at Stanford -- he dealt with taking over one of the worst programs in CFB.

You could say this about a lot of major colleges though, 3 and low 4 star prospects turn into NFL players all the time.

For example

Malik Hooker (247 composite) was the #350 overall player.....became the 15th pick in the draft under Meyer

Darron Lee was the #632 overall player.....became the 20th pick in the draft

Michael Thomas was the #764 overall player....became the 47th pick in the draft, had one of the best rookie seasons for a WR in recent memory.

Pat Elflien was the #975 overall played.....became a 3rd round pick this past year.

Cardale Jones was #397

and so on.

Of course Meyer doesn't end up with as many as those type of players as Harbaugh has, but he definitely has put some of his lower rated players into the NFL.

 

[Ickey Shuffle]

Sorry @ericd7633

It was about Wichita. I'm trippin.

 

[osubuckeye89]

If you think Luck is only what he is because of Harbaugh, so be it I suppose. It's been pretty universally accepted that he was underrated as a recruit as he took to the college game immediately.

Sherman and Decastro, yes those were both guys that flourished under Harbaugh. Jonathan Martin is a bad example, as he sucked and is out of the league. Trent Murphy didn't even play under Harbaugh, and Baldwin wasn't even drafted and only became a top end WR after 3-4 years with the Seahawks.

Time will tell with michigan, but it's not like the academic restrictions shouldn't be there too, right? Again, as I've said before, Urban has proven the ability at OSU to produce RB talent each year. Barring a major injury or a flat-out implosion, Weber will likely be a top 2-3 round pick in 2018. He's being mocked as such, even as a 1st rounder by walterfootball.com. Harbaugh hasn't come close to this level of success with RBs.

Id be shocked if Weber was ever a 1st rounder.

I don't think he will really have success in the NFL, he's never really wowed me, even though he has produced enough. Reminds me of Antonio Pittman, good college career number wise but probably wont do much at the next level. Probably around a 3rd rounder though eventually. I could see him leaving after this season if he has a big enough year. Not sure that will happen though since guys like Mccall and Dobbins are likely to poach a decent amount of carries.

 

[Ickey Shuffle]

The way we're continuing to attack our own backyard pipeline is shocking the hell out of me. I've never seen anything like this from before from UC. The commitments are pouring in like crazy. I think we're creeping up in the top 30 nationally for 2018.

We're better not be offering these kids sex or some shit.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Pushing for Baylor status? Come on, man. I realize you're trying to take a shot here, but don't be stupid about it.

I was just messing tnapucco.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If you think Luck is only what he is because of Harbaugh, so be it I suppose. It's been pretty universally accepted that he was underrated as a recruit as he took to the college game immediately.

Sherman and Decastro, yes those were both guys that flourished under Harbaugh. Jonathan Martin is a bad example, as he sucked and is out of the league. Trent Murphy didn't even play under Harbaugh, and Baldwin wasn't even drafted and only became a top end WR after 3-4 years with the Seahawks.

Time will tell with michigan, but it's not like the academic restrictions shouldn't be there too, right? Again, as I've said before, Urban has proven the ability at OSU to produce RB talent each year. Barring a major injury or a flat-out implosion, Weber will likely be a top 2-3 round pick in 2018. He's being mocked as such, even as a 1st rounder by walterfootball.com. Harbaugh hasn't come close to this level of success with RBs.

Stanford has the harshest restriction academically of any FBS program. Michigan has tremendous academics, but Stanford is the king of academics in FBS. Hell -- I'm not even sure if Michigan has the best academics in the B1G -- NW is way up there.

That being said -- Harbaugh hasn't had but one recruiting class at UM see the field. This year will be year two. He has had two RB's he has recruited -- Chris Evans and NJ kid they took from OSU (can't remember his name). Evans was the best back on the team as a true freshman last year. The NJ kid struggled with academics and was redshirted before the season even started. I will readily say -- RB is one of the few positions where UM has missed on some big targets and hasn't landed any real studs, but Evans is going to be very good.

Will be interesting once UM has a proven OL in place what type of RB we can bring in. Tough to sell a program to a RB when your OL struggled to open holes to run through.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You could say this about a lot of major colleges though, 3 and low 4 star prospects turn into NFL players all the time.

For example

Malik Hooker (247 composite) was the #350 overall player.....became the 15th pick in the draft under Meyer

Darron Lee was the #632 overall player.....became the 20th pick in the draft

Michael Thomas was the #764 overall player....became the 47th pick in the draft, had one of the best rookie seasons for a WR in recent memory.

Pat Elflien was the #975 overall played.....became a 3rd round pick this past year.

Cardale Jones was #397

and so on.

Of course Meyer doesn't end up with as many as those type of players as Harbaugh has, but he definitely has put some of his lower rated players into the NFL.

I have no doubt Meyer has put some lower ranked guys into the NFL. I just mentioned Stanford's because getting 5 star recruits when you took over a 1-11 team is a pipe dream. He made due with what he could bring in and I'd say 27 guys going to the NFL is pretty impressive when you look what he took over at Stanford.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Id be shocked if Weber was ever a 1st rounder.

I don't think he will really have success in the NFL, he's never really wowed me, even though he has produced enough. Reminds me of Antonio Pittman, good college career number wise but probably wont do much at the next level. Probably around a 3rd rounder though eventually. I could see him leaving after this season if he has a big enough year. Not sure that will happen though since guys like Mccall and Dobbins are likely to poach a decent amount of carries.

I'm in the same boat as you. I'd be shocked if he were even a 2nd round pick. If he can't break big runs in college -- it isn't going to start happening in the NFL.

I can see him getting drafted and being a backup who they bring in on short yardage or to spell the starter for a series here or there. He just doesn't have the freak athleticism you see in the elite backs, but he runs really hard and isn't afraid of contact.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I have no doubt Meyer has put some lower ranked guys into the NFL. I just mentioned Stanford's because getting 5 star recruits when you took over a 1-11 team is a pipe dream. He made due with what he could bring in and I'd say 27 guys going to the NFL is pretty impressive when you look what he took over at Stanford.

Its gonna be tough to regularly get 5 star recruits at Stanford even if they are doing well. Harbaugh definitely did a good job at Stanford with the cards he was dealt there, there's no denying that.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm in the same boat as you. I'd be shocked if he were even a 2nd round pick. If he can't break big runs in college -- it isn't going to start happening in the NFL.

I can see him getting drafted and being a backup who they bring in on short yardage or to spell the starter for a series here or there. He just doesn't have the freak athleticism you see in the elite backs, but he runs really hard and isn't afraid of contact.

He has the size/toughness but yea his athleticism isnt the greatest. Hes got enough speed to get by in college but doesn't hit that next gear and he's not making many people miss in open space either. Straight line grinder runners are not the commodity they once were in the NFL.

I hear all this talk about him having a breakout year this year, but Id say its likely he sort of gets lost in a carries share shuffle with what it looks like theyre trying to do with the new OC