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[Sharkinva]

Wait a minute...

Now Stafford is hands down better because he has the one thing we are apparently not willing to give Cousins.. .Experience??

 

[skinsdad62]

ok dean in 2018 carr and stafford could be available and could be franchised . would you give up our 2 1st rounders for either of then and then pay 25-30 a year to keep them ?

you said both were better so would you ?

 

[j_y19]

I consider Cousins a good, really good QB, but he is not at the same level as Stafford.

Serious question for everybody, since we are having this debate.

If you could have your choice of any of these QBs for the next 2-3 years, Cousins, Carr, or Stafford..Who would you take? After the 3 years, none of them are available. You have 1 choice to make a run with over the next 3 years, no draft picks, trades, all of them will get paid the same (top dollar). Who you going with? For me, it's Stafford, without hesitation.

Hypothetically speaking only? And I can only have my choice for 3 years? I would take either Stafford or Cousins. Now if I could lock them up for longer, Carr comes into play.

Cousins probably would get the edge over Stafford only because of his experience in this system with this team. But I really do see it as a toss up. One thing I really like about cousins is he gets rid of the ball quickly and minimized sacks.

 

[j_y19]

Wait a minute...

Now Stafford is hands down better because he has the one thing we are apparently not willing to give Cousins.. .Experience??

I saw that and chuckled. So Stafford was afforded 6+ years of playing experience to get over the growing pains of young QBs. Cousins however, after what is really 2 years as a starter, is as good as he is going to be. That's the old double standard in play again.

 

[Sleepy T]

Experience is a valuable thing. In eight years, you are getting what you get. KC can still improve.

So what you are saying is that Stafford has hit his ceiling? That he can't improve beyond what he is now? And you would rather have KC because he hasn't proven yet that he might be develop into an even more "elite" QB than MS.? Lol.

Stafford is only 29 and is 6 months older than Cuz and has 6 years more of starting experience, and you folks are actually debating this? I like Cousins, that argument doesn't make much sense. That is KC homer talk.

 

[Sleepy T]

Wait a minute...

Now Stafford is hands down better because he has the one thing we are apparently not willing to give Cousins.. .Experience??

Yes, Absolutely. And it's not all Cousins fault since Stafford graduated high school early, played early and consequently left early from UGA as a uber stud who could throw the ball a country mile. But it is what it is. Your argument is based on the fact that Cousins "could" become a better QB despite being the same age and much less experienced.

 

[skinsdad62]

So what you are saying is that Stafford has hit his ceiling? That he can't improve beyond what he is now? And you would rather have KC because he hasn't proven yet that he might be develop into an even more "elite" QB than MS.? Lol.

Stafford is only 29 and is 6 months older than Cuz and has 6 years more of starting experience, and you folks are actually debating this? I like Cousins, that argument doesn't make much sense. That is KC homer talk.

i have watched stafford for 8 years here in MI , i have watched KC since HS here . stafford holds the ball a lot and he has a cutler mentality that he can musle the ball everywhere and hence he gets picked a lot on throws he shouldnt .

i dont see gruden living with the To's or the sacks . that doesnt mean i think stafford is a stiff i just dont see the fit

 

[deanpet21]

Yes, Absolutely. And it's not all Cousins fault since Stafford graduated high school early, played early and consequently left early from UGA as a uber stud who could throw the ball a country mile. But it is what it is. Your argument is based on the fact that Cousins "could" become a better QB despite being the same age and much less experienced.

I love how the thread is called ABC when we both like KC. lol.

 

[Sportster 72]

I am waiting until page 100 to comment.

 

[j_y19]

I am waiting until page 100 to comment.

We should be there in about an hour. Hang on.

 

[gkekoa]

So what you are saying is that Stafford has hit his ceiling? That he can't improve beyond what he is now? And you would rather have KC because he hasn't proven yet that he might be develop into an even more "elite" QB than MS.? Lol.

Stafford is only 29 and is 6 months older than Cuz and has 6 years more of starting experience, and you folks are actually debating this? I like Cousins, that argument doesn't make much sense. That is KC homer talk.

Yes...Stafford has hit his ceiling. He is an eight year starter. If he hasn't learned by now he needs to hop on the short bus. Physically speaking, he won't get better.

KC has two years of experience and can still learn. He has room for improvement and is already Stafford's equal.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

So what you are saying is that Stafford has hit his ceiling? That he can't improve beyond what he is now? And you would rather have KC because he hasn't proven yet that he might be develop into an even more "elite" QB than MS.? Lol.

Stafford is only 29 and is 6 months older than Cuz and has 6 years more of starting experience, and you folks are actually debating this? I like Cousins, that argument doesn't make much sense. That is KC homer talk.

Not homer talk at all & I am not stating that Stafford is bad - just not as great as some folks are claiming that he is (also not stating that Cousins is great at this pt). So if your claiming that experience is a plus for Stafford - fine. That would be experience in being a 51-61 QB - OK. So I would guess that you are making a case that he learned from his time & can improve his game moving forward. No problem with that.

OK - then you can use the same argument for Cousins. I have stated several times that QBs at this age can still learn & improve. Cousins biggest issue is handling big time pressure (something Stafford is also not good at). I see no reason why he could not fix this issue - perhaps in a major way. That is my pt. Both are good QBs - I just have an issue with folks stating that Stafford>>>>Cousins. That argument is just not reality based at this time.

If you want to call some of us homers - fine - then some other folks also have to fess up & admit that they are Cousins haters (who again don't represent this fan base at all - not even close).

 

[deanpet21]

Not homer talk at all & I am not stating that Stafford is bad - just not as great as some folks are claiming that he is (also not stating that Cousins is great at this pt). So if your claiming that experience is a plus for Stafford - fine. That would be experience in being a 51-61 QB - OK. So I would guess that you are making a case that he learned from his time & can improve his game moving forward. No problem with that.

OK - then you can use the same argument for Cousins. I have stated several times that QBs at this age can still learn & improve. Cousins biggest issue is handling big time pressure (something Stafford is also not good at). I see no reason why he could not fix this issue - perhaps in a major way. That is my pt. Both are good QBs - I just have an issue with folks stating that Stafford>>>>Cousins. That argument is just not reality based at this time.

If you want to call some of us homers - fine - then some other folks also have to fess up & admit that they are Cousins haters (who again don't represent this fan base at all - not even close).

No one on this board hates KC. Why cant you accept this?

 

[Sharkinva]

Yes, Absolutely. And it's not all Cousins fault since Stafford graduated high school early, played early and consequently left early from UGA as a uber stud who could throw the ball a country mile. But it is what it is. Your argument is based on the fact that Cousins "could" become a better QB despite being the same age and much less experienced.

Which holds just as much weight as the idea that we should move on from Cousins because we "COULD" find a better, younger option in the 2018 draft.

I would prefer we move forward with Cousins rather than step back into the abyss

 

[skinz2winz]

Well, to be fair Shark, (as Krush said) draft position is largely dependent on the physical, and mental to a somewhat less degree, upside that a given QB projects to the NFL over the long term. It goes hand in hand. You know this.

Kirk is not the same caliber of QB physically that Stafford, Luck, probably Carr is and never will be. It's not even a debate. Where KC needs to work and continue improving us the mental side of his game. He will have to be close to flawless in that part of his game to make up for some of his physical shortcomings. If he wants to ever be considered elite and wants to gain the trust of everyone.

So you mean, not spike the ball on 4th down right before the half so we can kick a FG, lol...

 

[Sharkinva]

So you mean, not spike the ball on 4th down right before the half so we can kick a FG, lol...

Same question I have asked every one else.

Who should we get instead, and what will be the expected cost of this elite QB??

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No one on this board hates KC. Why cant you accept this?

Well in your case because I really don't recall anytime in the last several months where you have posted anything remotely positive about the guy. Also - when ever anyone on this board stands up for the guy you call them stat guys, homers, etc. You even go as far as trying to make a case that other decent (but not great) QBs like Stafford are much better.

What exactly have you posted recently to make anyone believe that you like Cousins even a little? Sure - you state that perhaps that they should sign him (for next to nothing) but then you jump on the board in a matter of seconds when even the slightest Cousins trade rumors hit the web. Your actions speak a lot louder than your hollow denials.

 

[deanpet21]

Well in your case because I really don't recall anytime in the last several months where you have posted anything remotely positive about the guy. Also - when ever anyone on this board stands up for the guy you call them stat guys, homers, etc. You even go as far as trying to make a case that other decent (but not great) QBs like Stafford are much better.

What exactly have you posted recently to make anyone believe that you like Cousins even a little? Sure - you state that perhaps that they should sign him (for next to nothing) but then you jump on the board in a matter of seconds when even the slightest Cousins trade rumors hit the web. Your actions speak a lot louder than your hollow denials.

I never said that the Luck deal was fair for Kc and I would be ok with it? that is next to nothing? Just like Vt we stated the case why we would rather have Stafford or Carr. That doesn't mean we don't like KC. Once again I supported a trade if the LTD cant get done by 7/17, if his ask was too high. What is wrong with that? There is no reason to call anyone a hater

 

[ehb5]

Well see, there this little thing that some of you just don't quite value very much for some reason, it's called experience, extensive gametime experience over a long period of time. If you want to compare Stafford's 8 seasons as a starter and say that KCs 2 seasons as a starter is one and the same, then there is nothing I can say to influence your undying love for our QB.

And Stafford has been the lone bright spot for a garbage team and franchise for a decade. Even considering Megatron, there is no comparing overall what Stafford has had to work with and the weapons KC has had over the last couple years.

Experience doesn't really matter if hes not actually out playing cousins though.

 

[ehb5]

Yes...Stafford has hit his ceiling. He is an eight year starter. If he hasn't learned by now he needs to hop on the short bus. Physically speaking, he won't get better.

KC has two years of experience and can still learn. He has room for improvement and is already Stafford's equal.

This seems arbitrary