Winners & Losers of Free Agency

[Heatles84]

Is Johnson struggling? I loved the Winslow pick when he slipped ton Miami.

Quite the opposite. From the looks of it, he's been the best player in summer league. Mind you, I've only been looking at stats, so that may not tell the whole story.

 

[Heatles84]

We won't know who the biggest winner is until LeBron signs

Lebron's going to sign with the Cavs. Even Gilbert isn't that stupid to let Thompson walk which will cause Lebron to leave. I wouldn't call the Cavs winners simply because they're standing pat and they're committing a boat ton of money to one position alone.

 

[gordontrue]

Lebron's going to sign with the Cavs. Even Gilbert isn't that stupid to let Thompson walk which will cause Lebron to leave. I wouldn't call the Cavs winners simply because they're standing pat and they're committing a boat ton of money to one position alone.

I get all that... it was more meant as a humorous post. On the surface of it... how can the team that signs UFAs Kevin Love and LeBron James be anything but the clear winner?

Once you account for the fact that LeBron wasn't really a FA and the future flexibility risks with their "all-in" strategy... its not so clear cut.

There's still plenty of good argument for them being the winners, though, IMO.

 

[Heatles84]

I get all that... it was more meant as a humorous post. On the surface of it... how can the team that signs UFAs Kevin Love and LeBron James be anything but the clear winner?

Once you account for the fact that LeBron wasn't really a FA and the future flexibility risks with their "all-in" strategy... its not so clear cut.

There's still plenty of good argument for them being the winners, though, IMO.

I guess retaining the best player in the league does have to put you in that bracket. I'd also be pretty hypocritical as well considering I consider the Heat winners in free agency/offseason (including the draft) given the following:

- Retained Deng and Dragic
- Retained Wade on a deal that doesn't hinder the Heat in 2016
- Drafted Winslow.

 

[DJ]

.

It's not even close. They had the worst offseason.

Not only did they predictably strike out on the major FA's....but then Phil went out and still spent money on multi year deals.

Do the math (2016 money):
Carmelo = $24.5M
Derrick Williams = $5M
Affallo = $8M
Lopez = $14M
O'Quin = $4M
Porzingas = $4M


That is $60M in money locked into next year (probably more to be added in there as well with rookie deals and other players I might have missed). The cap is only going to $89M.

That means next offseason the Knicks will only have room for one max deal. That was a HUGE mistake. No one is going to look at that as a decent landing spot next offseason if it is only them going there. The knicks needed to keep enough space where they could go Miami Heat in FA and bring in two max players at one time. It is the only way they are going to appeal to an elite player. But Phil nickel and dimed himself on these contracts to the point where that isn't possible now.

The Laker's struck out but at least they kept their options open moving forward for an elite double max FA move next offseason so at least they get to swing for the fences again. That is what the Knicks had to do as well.

The knicks pretty much guaranteed themselves that they won't be truly competitive for at least two more seasons with the moves they made.

Lopez was the only player who was overpaid. But...he is way better than what they had last season at C. Afflalo & Lopez are smart players & fit the Triangle to a T. I don't think it's as bad as people are making it seem.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

You failed to put the suns in the "losers" column.

Put it any way you like but the suns traded decent players to clear cap space before they signed someone. That smells of failure.

And then you claim the Lakers are losers

I actually took the Lakers off the losers list but you probably missed that post since you're too self-absorbed in your Suns hate. The Lou & Bass deals were solid and Hibbert is a good low risk move for you guys.

BTW- just because I didn't put a team on the "losers" section doesn't mean I think they are winners by default. Suns just had an average offseason. Could've been great if they landed LMA and I applaud them for trying but it was a long shot in the first place.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Depth Chart as of now:

C- Chandler-Len
PF- Morris-Leuer
SF- Tucker-Warren
SG- Knight-Booker-Goodwin
PG-Bledsoe-Goodwin

Still a very young team outside of Chandler. Len, Warren and Knight are all still 23 or younger so they are the guys I'm looking forward to the most. Glad we got rid of Marcus Morris and Danny Granger to free up time for Warren as well.

And thanks to freeing up cap room and clearing out our SF log-jam we have more $ to spend elsewhere this year. I hope we just give out 1 years deals from here on out so we preserve it for next summer.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

The Lakers were hardly the biggest winners, but they weren't the biggest losers either and in fact a lot of teams have done worse. Many of the teams aren't even in the discussion of making moves. It's not too early to be naming Phoenix losers though - they always are

 

[logic]

They've both played very well in their first couple games. I personally think Johnson will be the better player (and apparently so do the Pistons)... but most people had Winslow rated higher than him.

I wanted the Pistons to take Johnson prior to the draft, but didn't expect Winslow to be there when they picked. Looking at what they did in college it is kind of splitting hairs choosing between the two of them. I think that they will both have good NBA careers, but agree with you that I just have a feeling Johnson may be a better NBA'er (if only slightly). I'm happy with Johnson on the Pistons, one of the few things that I am happy with this Pistons off season.

 

[trojanfan12]

I get all that... it was more meant as a humorous post. On the surface of it... how can the team that signs UFAs Kevin Love and LeBron James be anything but the clear winner?

Once you account for the fact that LeBron wasn't really a FA and the future flexibility risks with their "all-in" strategy... its not so clear cut.

There's still plenty of good argument for them being the winners, though, IMO.

I don't know if I'd call them "winners" for basically standing pat. But anytime you have key pieces to a team that made it to the finals become UFA's and you bring them back, you definitely didn't lose in FA.

 

[The Derski]

Losers:

Phoenix Suns - Trading away half the team in hope of landing Aldridge...

You realize Danny Granger and Reggie Bullock never played a minute for the Suns right? Not sure if you're just trolling or legitimately retarded.

 

[The Derski]

The Suns are definitely not losers of the offseason. If anything they stayed even. Not sure what you guys are talking about.

 

[The Derski]

Let me see if I have this straight. Your team traded away some good young guys with who each had a promising future for a 32 year old Chandler that averages 10 ppg and 11 rebounds per game to be a solid double double machine that plays solid defense?

Can I have have some of that stuff you're smoking?

What good young guys are you talking about? I'm honestly perplexed.

 

[The Derski]

Do you all think Marcus Morris is an MVP candidate or something? He's not even the best Morris brother for crying out loud. Did this board get 100 times dumber overnight?

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Trade away Markief's twin brother.
Use that trade to lure a guy to replace Markief's minutes but fail.
And when it fails, have fans call those guys "garbage players" that don't matter essentially insulting his brother.

I am sure Markieff loved the whole process.
He certainly won't be bitter and likely a clubhouse issue.

And if you believe that, well there is always the standard waterfront property in nebraska for sale.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Add the Suns, take off the Lakers

The Lakers made sales pitches, but they did not lose any assets. Players just politely declined.
It was understandable considering how far away they still are from contending.

Had the Lakers foolishly lost any of their future assets in attempts to sign guys it would be a diffrent story, but they kept all the future value chips.

The Lakers then did not over-react in a panic to throw silly Tristan Thompson cash around on 2nd tier guys.
I would not necessarily call that being a loser free agency period.

Politely???

All this Laker apologism on this board is making me ill. Sure, they did what they had to do by retaining their young assets, but let's not also sit here and pretend they didn't fall woefully short of their expectations heading into the offseason.

Not sure how Lou Williams fits, but it would have been a good signing if they didn't throw that ridiculous money at Nick Young last year.

Mikan...Wilt...Kareem...Shaq...ROY HIBBERT??? As a Pacers fan, I thank you guys for helping us with cap space while also taking our most frustrating player of our hands. Hopefully Bird can spend the rest of the summer turning that cap space into quality bench depth...

 

[gordontrue]

Mavs lost Tyson, Deandre, Monta, Aminu, and Rondo this off-season

 

[GNG]

You realize Danny Granger and Reggie Bullock never played a minute for the Suns right? Not sure if you're just trolling or legitimately retarded.

Maybe he's just drunk.

 

[GNG]

Mavs lost Tyson, Deandre, Monta, Aminu, and Rondo this off-season

Rondo was addition by subtraction.

 

[The Derski]

Trade away Markief's twin brother.
Use that trade to lure a guy to replace Markief's minutes but fail.
And when it fails, have fans call those guys "garbage players" that don't matter essentially insulting his brother.

I am sure Markieff loved the whole process.
He certainly won't be bitter and likely a clubhouse issue.

And if you believe that, well there is always the standard waterfront property in nebraska for sale.

Marcus and Markieff became a cancer late in the season with all the technical fouls and issues with the law. If you actually followed the Suns you'd know that we really lost no one in the trade. Marcus was the only player involved that actually played. Danny Granger and Reggie Bullock literally never stepped on the court. I'm not joking. They never dribbled the ball in a Suns uniform. You guys are making a huge deal out of nothing. It's comical.