jerseyhawksfan79
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Nah, a historic defense and best RB in the last 5 years did that.
The defense can't score all the time, so I guess RW has to be doing something right. Yes, this year has not been his best either.
Nah, a historic defense and best RB in the last 5 years did that.
The defense can't score all the time, so I guess RW has to be doing something right. Yes, this year has not been his best either.
And what do you know, it hasn't been the best year for the defense or Lynch too.
Fickle fans will be back on the Wilson wagon soon enough.
Expect a good ride.It's been a tough season to watch so far, but sitting at .500 we are still in good shape for a run at the division. If people want to jump off, then so be it. I'm gearing up for a second half of hopefully mostly ups and way less downs.
Expect a good ride.
The next game is a big one. Win that and then SF is next.
And can you not both point out places a player can still improve AND give him credit for the phenomenal things he does well?It's amazing that people want to credit the defense and Lynch, but not Wilson. Seriously, if you've been watching this kid play for the past 3 full seasons and can't recognize how much he helps those other pieces realize their potential, then football must be straight up confusing to you.
And can you not both point out places a player can still improve AND give him credit for the phenomenal things he does well?
At times he's been very off in his passing and hasn't made great decisions on broken plays as often as you'd like, but no one doubts the things he has done well.
In this game he had some issues in that first half, but that last drive to get 3 to take the lead was all Wilson. Both of those are true.
This is the true fork in the road of the season. If we come out of it at 4-5 and 3 games back of Arizona with 7 to play, Cards would have to completely fall apart for there to be a glimmer of hope to catch them. After this game, we will be looking at a clear path to another division crown or a tough road just to scratch out a WC.13 days until a major showdown. That's where the focus is going to be.
The problem this year is his decisions under duress with the crappy line. He is taking sacks he shouldn't and making some less desirable decisions as well. There is nothing in that statement that removes ANY of the burden from the line. Of course it's entirely obvious that improving the line takes the duress away and removes those poorer choices. That falls under the category of 'duh'. That doesn't mean Wilson can't reduce the impact on the overall offense that this crappy line is having.
You don't read this board much then.I guess it would help (for me anyway) to know what level we're judging him against? 'less desirable?' Okay, that's a pretty all-encompassing blanket, anything short of perfection.
Even the best QB's wilt under duress. A GREAT example would be Aaron Rodgers against the Denver Wolve...er Broncos the other night.
It's safe to say that Aaron Rodgers is an elite QB. His performance against pressure in that game notwithstanding.
I'm not saying Wilson is 'elite' yet, and I'm not saying he isn't still improving. However I do think it's fair to say that he's done pretty damn well against the worst overall pressure in the NFL this year.
One one side we do have poster saying that Wilson should be traded. Nobody on the other side is saying that Wilson is the greatest QB ever to put on cleats.
So it seems as if you're propping up a bit of a strawman to suggest that anyone is saying that Wilson can't/shouldn't improve. What people are saying I think is that Wilson is doing pretty damned well at progressing, and despite the grousing on these threads, this year is evidence of just that development.
You don't read this board much then.
I can show you quotes of people who do very much believe that Wilson is damned near perfect. You simply are not allowed to ever criticize even one play of his.
I haven't paid for a PFF account, but there are some advanced stats on that site that break down some of these things and according to those who do have access to them, they show where his room for improvement lies. He could reduce his sacks by nearly half for instance. Not every one of those is simply a free guy breaking through and he has no chance to respond. He grades out fairly low in pre snap read adjustments.
You want to quantify to what end we are suggesting he can improve? Not really sure there is a percentage type of answer to that. Even Brady is continuing to work to get better. It never ends for any of them, or shouldn't anyway.
Think we've seen plenty of critism about RW myself. He's not perfect no one is. I'd say that many disagree about exactly his flaws are. I'd start with, he has to games when he's throwing the ball to high all day long, has games where he's just not on the money. That's just one, there are other things also but for me RW not the problem as much as other factors like OL, the D blowing leads etc.You don't read this board much then.
I can show you quotes of people who do very much believe that Wilson is damned near perfect. You simply are not allowed to ever criticize even one play of his.
I haven't paid for a PFF account, but there are some advanced stats on that site that break down some of these things and according to those who do have access to them, they show where his room for improvement lies. He could reduce his sacks by nearly half for instance. Not every one of those is simply a free guy breaking through and he has no chance to respond. He grades out fairly low in pre snap read adjustments.
You want to quantify to what end we are suggesting he can improve? Not really sure there is a percentage type of answer to that. Even Brady is continuing to work to get better. It never ends for any of them, or shouldn't anyway.
Screamin, no one is going to read a diatribe. Well almost no one. But if you are saying Wilson has NO areas he can improve in that it is you that is clueless. End of discussion.
I haven't seen a credible source anywhere that hasn't pointed out where the holes in his game are. He does make clutch throws and completes crazy scramble runs and other creative plays. No one has ever questioned those.
However, to look at your last lines car analogy, it appears you are in a pinto, not a F1.
If there is a receiver open with no safety over the top to his left that is part of his normal progression, but he simply fails to see that guy and instead hits another receiver for a 5y or 8y gain he still gets credit for a completion while it wasn't the optimal choice of that play. There is zero room for argument over it. They grade out every play of a QB and in that play he wouldn't get a F, but it's not an A either. He can still get better even when making a play.
His vision makes it so he is far more deadly outside of the pocket. He routinely misses open receivers over the middle while in the pocket likely because he simply can't see over the line well enough to find them. This is fact. And it's one that won't go away. So he works with what he does have and what he can do. Maximizing those is key to his furthered development. This too is pure fact.
The problem this year is his decisions under duress with the crappy line. He is taking sacks he shouldn't and making some less desirable decisions as well. There is nothing in that statement that removes ANY of the burden from the line. Of course it's entirely obvious that improving the line takes the duress away and removes those poorer choices. That falls under the category of 'duh'. That doesn't mean Wilson can't reduce the impact on the overall offense that this crappy line is having.
If all you are going to base his performance on is completion percent, then you have a very narrow view of the QB position. Simply talking about accuracy doesn't tell the whole story. RGIII was second in the league a couple of years back in accuracy but he sure wasn't the second best QB in the league.
You don't read this board much then.
I can show you quotes of people who do very much believe that Wilson is damned near perfect. You simply are not allowed to ever criticize even one play of his.
I haven't paid for a PFF account, but there are some advanced stats on that site that break down some of these things and according to those who do have access to them, they show where his room for improvement lies. He could reduce his sacks by nearly half for instance. Not every one of those is simply a free guy breaking through and he has no chance to respond. He grades out fairly low in pre snap read adjustments.
You want to quantify to what end we are suggesting he can improve? Not really sure there is a percentage type of answer to that. Even Brady is continuing to work to get better. It never ends for any of them, or shouldn't anyway.