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And Hurts was a second round pick so Jones was the only 1st round pick.Purdy? You mean Jones? And dak was a fourth round pick.
And Hurts was a second round pick so Jones was the only 1st round pick.Purdy? You mean Jones? And dak was a fourth round pick.
no big deal i saw you figured it outSorry….I misread your post.
Aren't you tired of searching for a "capable" QB? They've been doing that since Mark Rypien retired!When is the last time we drafted a qb not in the 1st round (Not including Howell)? It's not striking gold to find a capable qb in later rounds of the draft. You just need to know what your looking for. Its usually not the shiney new toy that Snyder seems to draft.
Our qb drafting has been down right awful.Aren't you tired of searching for a "capable" QB? They've been doing that since Mark Rypien retired!
The shiny new toy narrative is a myth, here are the QBs drafted in round one during the Snyder era (1999) and there's ONLY been one (1) drafted in the top ten since Snyder bought the team.
2002-Patrick Ramsey Pick #32
2005-Jason Campbell Pick #25
2012- Robert Griffin III Pick #1
2019- Dwayne Haskins Pick #15
Here are the QBs that they've drafted in the later rounds during that same time span.
2000- Todd Husak 6th round Pick #202
2001- Sage Rosenfels 4th round Pick #109
2003- Gibran Hamdan 7th round Pick #232
2007- Jordan Palmer 6th round Pick #205
2008- Colt Brennan 6th round Pick #186
2012- Kirk Cousins 4th round Pick #102
2016-Nate Sudfeld 6th round Pick #187
2022-Sam Howell 5th round Pick #144
No argument about the three in the NFC except two of them have exceptional coaches, GMs, and organizational structures. The other is Dallas.in the division round of the NFC we have 3 qbs starting that weren't drafted in round one . dak hurts and purdy . at least one will make the conference championship game possibly 2
what formulas did they use ? how are they winning ?
we could emulate that for now
now the whole truth is all 4 of the afc qbs are 1st rounders
I can't argue that but I'll add this...Our qb drafting has been down right awful.
I think so much of it depends on coaching. Why was new England able to develop almost every qb they drafted for 10 years?
Sorry, I forgot...No argument about the three in the NFC except two of them have exceptional coaches, GMs, and organizational structures. The other is Dallas.
I'll take what the AFC is having for 200 Alex!
Here is the entire list of QBs in this year's playoffs.
Justin Herbert---1st round Pick #6
Trevor Lawrence-1st round Pick #1
Tua Tagovailoa---1st round Pick #5
Josh Allen--------1st round Pick #7
Daniel Jones-----1st round Pick #6
Joe Burrow-------1st round Pick #1
Geno Smith------2nd round Pick #39
Lamar Jackson---1st rouind Piock #32
Kirk Cousins----- 4th round Pick #102
Dak Prescott-----4th round Pick #135
Tom Brady------- 6th round Pick #199
Brock Purdy----- 7th round Pick # 262
Actually they had two good ones. Bledsoe before Bill got there and he got hurt and they had no clue Tom was going to be the goat. I was hoping for the same for Mac but is not determined yet.Our qb drafting has been down right awful.
I think so much of it depends on coaching. Why was new England able to develop almost every qb they drafted for 10 years?
Yes, I am tired of the search…..especially in somebody else’s yard. We are not going to be given a franchise QB from another team. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Drafting A QB is not as hard as we make it. We have drafted a total of 5 QBs in 12 years…….and that is without having a solid starter. We should have been drafting on every year . Yet you continue to want to push us to relinquish valuable draft capital to either trade or move up. Same stupid strategy we have employed for over 20 years. Brilliant.Aren't you tired of searching for a "capable" QB? They've been doing that since Mark Rypien retired!
The shiny new toy narrative is a myth, here are the QBs drafted in round one during the Snyder era (1999) and there's ONLY been one (1) drafted in the top ten since Snyder bought the team.
2002-Patrick Ramsey Pick #32
2005-Jason Campbell Pick #25
2012- Robert Griffin III Pick #1
2019- Dwayne Haskins Pick #15
Here are the QBs that they've drafted in the later rounds during that same time span.
2000- Todd Husak 6th round Pick #202
2001- Sage Rosenfels 4th round Pick #109
2003- Gibran Hamdan 7th round Pick #232
2007- Jordan Palmer 6th round Pick #205
2008- Colt Brennan 6th round Pick #186
2012- Kirk Cousins 4th round Pick #102
2016-Nate Sudfeld 6th round Pick #187
2022-Sam Howell 5th round Pick #144
Why? I’ll take what the NFC is having. They got what they needed for a fraction of the cost of those other AFC teams.No argument about the three in the NFC except two of them have exceptional coaches, GMs, and organizational structures. The other is Dallas.
I'll take what the AFC is having for 200 Alex!
Here is the entire list of QBs in this year's playoffs.
Justin Herbert---1st round Pick #6
Trevor Lawrence-1st round Pick #1
Tua Tagovailoa---1st round Pick #5
Josh Allen--------1st round Pick #7
Daniel Jones-----1st round Pick #6
Joe Burrow-------1st round Pick #1
Geno Smith------2nd round Pick #39
Lamar Jackson---1st rouind Piock #32
Kirk Cousins----- 4th round Pick #102
Dak Prescott-----4th round Pick #135
Tom Brady------- 6th round Pick #199
Brock Purdy----- 7th round Pick # 262
Perhaps you're having some difficulty looking at the historical facts, With the one exception involving Griffin, Washington has NEVER used draft capital to move up in a draft to get a top 10 QB. Let that sink in... except that one time, It has never been done...period! So charging me with attempting to do something over and over again that has ONLY been done once seems a little strange, wouldn't you agree? Now if you have any evidence to support your charge, I would love to see it and will apologize if you have it.Yes, I am tired of the search…..especially in somebody else’s yard. We are not going to be given a franchise QB from another team. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Drafting A QB is not as hard as we make it. We have drafted a total of 5 QBs in 12 years…….and that is without having a solid starter. We should have been drafting on every year . Yet you continue to want to push us to relinquish valuable draft capital to either trade or move up. Same stupid strategy we have employed for over 20 years. Brilliant.
Of course, you would but I really don't believe that right now you would take the extremely high risk that comes with drafting these long shotsWhy? I’ll take what the NFC is having. They got what they needed for a fraction of the cost of those other AFC teams.
You're correct except they didn't trade up they traded down for Ramsey. Ramsey was picked #32 in the 2002 draft.We trade up for Ramsey and JC if I recall correctly and draft picks were involved
Thanks for the informationYou're correct except they didn't trade up they traded down for Ramsey. Ramsey was picked #32 in the 2002 draft.
In the 2002 NFL draft Washington had pick #18, which they traded down, and that pick went to Oakland in exchange for their first (#21) and a third. Washington (#21) then traded down again with New England in exchange for New England's first-, third- and seventh-round selections (32nd, 96th, and 234th).
Jason Campbell was selected with the #25 pick in the 2005 draft after Washington traded with Denver who received in exchange Washington's third-round selection (76th) and first- and fourth-round selections (22nd and 119th) in 2006.
As you can see, when trading for a QB in the top ten, it simply doesn't exist outside of the Griffin trade. BTW: as noted that #1 in 2006 ended up being pick #22 (Manny Lawson LB NC State, selected by SanFrancisco)
Perhaps FIX the oline this off season and with draft picks (you need 3), find another LB and CB. Throw AR in for 2023 (1 yr) and see what happens. Move up in 2024 to take your QB of the future or start Howell in 2024. A year behind AR wouldn't hurt Howell.It seems as if no one wants to trade up this year 2023 and if the history of this board holds true, the next year 2024 will give us the same reluctance to move up. It seems no one wants to spend the capital that it would take. The search engine only allows me to go back to 2018, but from that time forward many on this board didn't want to move up, while other teams did what was necessary to get their guy.
For years we on this board have been writing and posting about fixing one thing or the other but not QB, we've been sold a bill of goods with Fitzpatrick, Wince, and Heinicke as starter material. We are now entering the 4th year of the so-called rebuild and the only thing that this brain trust has given some of us is more hope! Howell flashed and is the new shiny penny in the room, so what has been done? {rhetorical} fired the guy that gave us the system that he flashed in and gave a promise of a run-first team in an NFL world in which the passing game is taking precedence!Perhaps FIX the oline this off season and with draft picks (you need 3), find another LB and CB. Throw AR in for 2023 (1 yr) and see what happens. Move up in 2024 to take your QB of the future or start Howell in 2024. A year behind AR wouldn't hurt Howell.