Ohio State 2012 had way less of an argument than Utah in 2008

[sakau2007]

lol at people thinking this is a troll thread. 3 pages and i haven't seen a whole lot to counter what i've posted. while it is true the polls used in the bcs didn't rank ohio state, it isn't that much of a stretch to think the rankings in those polls and computers would resemble the ratings that did rank them (behind alabama). and lol at people thinking ohio state was arbitrarily being held back in the ap because they weren't eligible. they were still ranked very highly. do you think people just dropped them from 1 to 5 because they weren't bcs eligible, even though the ap has nothing to do with the bcs? if anything, one could argue ap voters were ranking ohio state higher than they otherwise would in hopes to create a "split" national title.

 

[The Authority]

Voters definitely held tOsu back because they weren't eligible. They would have been #2 for sure without any doubt.

 

[Red_Alert]

Then why didn't the AP rank them #2?

The AP has always been a dissenter of the BCS. At least going back to USC and Auburn days.

 

[The Authority]

Then why didn't the AP rank them #2?

The AP has always been a dissenter of the BCS. At least going back to USC and Auburn days.

to avoid controversy

Never in the history of the BCS has an undefeated AQ conference team been left out of the NC game over a 1 loss team.

It wouldn't happen.

 

[Red_Alert]

to avoid controversy

Never in the history of the BCS has an undefeated AQ conference team been left out of the NC game over a 1 loss team.

It wouldn't happen.

What part of "the AP Poll is not part of the BCS formula" don't you understand?

The AP can make no controversy in the BCS. If anything, being a dissenter they would want controversy. They've done it before. Not only did they not have Ohio St in the Top 2 prior to the NCG, they didn't after.

The AP has no restrictions in their rankings.

 

[The Authority]

What part of "the AP Poll is not part of the BCS formula" don't you understand?

The AP can make no controversy in the BCS. If anything, being a dissenter they would want contriversy. They've done it before. Not only did they not have Ohio St in the Top 2 prior to the NCG, they didn't after.

The AP has no restrictions in their rankings.

The voters didn't want controversy around split titles involving sanctioned teams.

also the reason they didn't put tOSU after the bowl game was because they didn't play in a bowl game.

As it stands had tOSU been bowl eligible and won their CCG, they would have played in the title no doubt.

 

[sakau2007]

i think it's cute that ohio state fans think people would have magically thought they were one of the two best teams had they been eligible when basically nobody thought they were.

 

[The Authority]

i think it's cute that ohio state fans think people would have magically thought they were one of the two best teams had they been eligible when basically nobody thought they were.

Nobody ????

Most people in this thread have stated that they believe tOSU would have been in the title game had they been eligible.

Not sure why you care so much either way.

Also, Not sure why you are so obsessed with Ohio State. You look like a fool.

 

[4down20]

Nobody ????

Most people in this thread have stated that they believe tOSU would have been in the title game had they been eligible.

Not sure why you care so much either way.

Also, Not sure why you are so obsessed with Ohio State. You look like a fool.

Typical Auburn fan is what he is. The couple of decent ones around here before they started winning again almost made me hate Auburn less. Nothing like a little winning to bring out the shit talkers of the team. The true fans were the ones that were still posting when they couldn't win a SEC game.

Wait until Tennessee finds a bit more success, it'll be the same thing. The cool ones that post now will be overshadowed.

 

[Shanemansj13]

i think it's cute that ohio state fans think people would have magically thought they were one of the two best teams had they been eligible when basically nobody thought they were.

It's not about if they were one of two best teams. It's about letting an undefeated team in a BCS conference out of the NCG. It wouldn't have happened, especially since Bama lost late

****Plus everyone is forgetting, if OSU is eligible they get a CCG which would definitely put them in.****

 

[sakau2007]

It's not about if they were one of two best teams. It's about letting an undefeated team in a BCS conference out of the NCG. It wouldn't have happened, especially since Bama lost late

****Plus everyone is forgetting, if OSU is eligible they get a CCG which would definitely put them in.****

thank you for confirming that you have no idea how the bcs is set up.

and the second bolded point was discussed in some detail in the original post.

 

[Shanemansj13]

thank you for confirming that you have no idea how the bcs is set up.

and the second bolded point was discussed in some detail in the original post.

If you have seen the BCS in the past than you know. That's why we are having a playoff system now, bc of this problem. You should know that by now.

 

[Sox33OSU]

thank you for confirming that you have no idea how the bcs is set up.

and the second bolded point was discussed in some detail in the original post.

LOL, so you think the BCS always gets the 2 "best" teams in the NCG?

Also, you're naive as hell if you think an undefeated, 13-0 OSU would've been blocked out of the national title game. I know you're trying to carry over some of your old Disney trolling, but you're just making a fool of yourself here.

 

[rmilia1]

Just a general observation but:
OSU's FBS opponents in 2012 had a 73-68 record in games not vs OSU
Alabamas FBS opponents in 2011 had a 73-64 record in games not vs Bama

OSU was 3-0 vs top 25 teams in 2012
Bama was 3-1 vs top 25 teams in 2011

OSU was 6-0 vs teams with winning records in 2012
Bama was 5-1 vs teams with winning recors in 2011

- I understand the sentiment of this thread but the reality is that 2011 Bama didnt win their own divsion, lost ( at home ) to the only top tier team they played. Won 3 games vs the top 25 otherwise ( including 2 victories over teams ranked 24th and 23rd). The results really arent much different than 2012 OSU. The similarity is that both programs are national powers. Now if you think a 13-0 OSU would have been passed over for a title game appearance you need look no further back than 2011 Bama who passed up OK State who ahd a far superior resume. It just wouldnt have hapened. I have a hard time seeing ANY unbeaten BCS AQ league team getting passed by a one loss team and a national power like OSU certainly wouldnt have been passed over.

 

[sakau2007]

so funny seeing people act like ohio state would have been there. bcs is 2/3 humans, who had them behind alabama and 1/3 computers who also had them behind alabama.

 

[Shanemansj13]

so funny seeing people act like ohio state would have been there. bcs is 2/3 humans, who had them behind alabama and 1/3 computers who also had them behind alabama.

If that is your opinion, than fine. But we haven't ever seen it happen in the past. So provide facts or GTFO. I could see if it was a team in a lesser conference like Louisville or Boise. It just doesn't make much sense why they wouldn't be thar, even if Bama was the best team--still had 1 loss and it wasnt early in the season.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Just a general observation but:
OSU's FBS opponents in 2012 had a 73-68 record in games not vs OSU
Alabamas FBS opponents in 2011 had a 73-64 record in games not vs Bama

OSU was 3-0 vs top 25 teams in 2012
Bama was 3-1 vs top 25 teams in 2011

OSU was 6-0 vs teams with winning records in 2012
Bama was 5-1 vs teams with winning recors in 2011

- I understand the sentiment of this thread but the reality is that 2011 Bama didnt win their own divsion, lost ( at home ) to the only top tier team they played. Won 3 games vs the top 25 otherwise ( including 2 victories over teams ranked 24th and 23rd). The results really arent much different than 2012 OSU. The similarity is that both programs are national powers. Now if you think a 13-0 OSU would have been passed over for a title game appearance you need look no further back than 2011 Bama who passed up OK State who ahd a far superior resume. It just wouldnt have hapened. I have a hard time seeing ANY unbeaten BCS AQ league team getting passed by a one loss team and a national power like OSU certainly wouldnt have been passed over.

Good points. We will never know, but it doesn't make sense why Bama passes OSU especially when OSU has a CCG.

 

[sakau2007]

If that is your opinion, than fine. But we haven't ever seen it happen in the past. So provide facts or GTFO. I could see if it was a team in a lesser conference like Louisville or Boise. It just doesn't make much sense why they wouldn't be thar, even if Bama was the best team--still had 1 loss and it wasnt early in the season.

the facts have been provided. utah in 2008 was passed over despite beating better teams than ohio state did. never mind the fact that the polls that were ranking ohio state and alabama had alabama in front. you can't get more factual than that. what you have provided is nothing more than conjecture.

 

[sakau2007]

Just a general observation but:
OSU's FBS opponents in 2012 had a 73-68 record in games not vs OSU
Alabamas FBS opponents in 2011 had a 73-64 record in games not vs Bama

OSU was 3-0 vs top 25 teams in 2012
Bama was 3-1 vs top 25 teams in 2011

OSU was 6-0 vs teams with winning records in 2012
Bama was 5-1 vs teams with winning recors in 2011

- I understand the sentiment of this thread but the reality is that 2011 Bama didnt win their own divsion, lost ( at home ) to the only top tier team they played. Won 3 games vs the top 25 otherwise ( including 2 victories over teams ranked 24th and 23rd). The results really arent much different than 2012 OSU. The similarity is that both programs are national powers. Now if you think a 13-0 OSU would have been passed over for a title game appearance you need look no further back than 2011 Bama who passed up OK State who ahd a far superior resume. It just wouldnt have hapened. I have a hard time seeing ANY unbeaten BCS AQ league team getting passed by a one loss team and a national power like OSU certainly wouldnt have been passed over.

wasn't ohio state 0-0 against the final top 20 though? i think alabama was 2-1 against the final top 5.

 

[Shanemansj13]

the facts have been provided. utah in 2008 was passed over despite beating better teams than ohio state did. never mind the fact that the polls that were ranking ohio state and alabama had alabama in front. you can't get more factual than that. what you have provided is nothing more than conjecture.

They played in the MWC, you're kidding right. Boise St went undefeated that year too, before the bowl game. That provides nothing.

You are butthurt for some odd reason.

And we have already discussed Bama being in front of OSU has no impact bc they weren't eligble since the beginning of the season. Those polls mean absolutely nothing since OSU was not eligible. Plus they didn't get a CCG.