No criminal charges for Deshaun Watson

[NWPATSFAN]

Your answer was NO, but carried on with a but.

What percentage do you give Baker being a Brown in 2022?

Did you expect anything different from him?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

all about yard and completion %, eh? Not TD to INT ratio? How about QBR and PFF having him in top 10 in 2020? All they do is watch the QB on every single play and determine his contribution - positive or negative - to that play. They will not credit the QB for, say, a completed pass that should have been a pick and they wont downplay him for the opposite.

I'm not going to agree nor disagree. Stats are stats and can be used to weaken or strengthen any argument.

My question is, if Baker was so goo why did the Browns FO screw up by calling him a child (paraphrasing) and go sign Watson to that insane deal?

 

[Manster7588]

The new case drip is intentional as fuck for the record.

I can agree, but then if it was pitched to him as a bonus then I say let him play in 2022 and suspend him in 2023.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

You say this like Baker WANTS to be there. What is in his best interest? If the Browns have nearly zero interest in re-signing him, and he gets hurt...his value plummets. What is his upside in staying? Sure, he *could* play and do really well - maybe well enough to warrant a better contract - but history is working against him - he's been inconsistent at best, and there's no guarantee that he will stay healthy, or have a great season. There's also the fact that he feels completely unwanted and jilted by the organization - which is fair considering how they've completely bent him over backwards during this whole ordeal.

His best play is: He sits out most of the year, pulls a Mendenhall - accrues a season - there isn't an organization out there that will blame him for what has happened this off season.

That last part does nothing to help the Browns, and keeping him around also provides a lot of scrutiny and attention and could be a major distraction. It's the same reason, in the same vein, of why they "mutually" agreed for him to skip the mini-camps. At this point - the best play for both parties is a separation.

This Cincy fsn gets it, well written.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

we have read they are willing to pay none, half, $10 mil. Do fans really believe the Browns are sharing this with others....or that other teams have shared what they asked for?

0, 1/2, 10 would certainly follow a clear progression of negotiations wouldn't you agree?

No one bit on the 0.

No one has bitten on the 1/2.

Time will tell if paying $10M will be enough to get a deal done.

Reports true or false are not good for the Browns negotiations. With everyday passing and every "report/rumor" leaking out or being speculated hurts the organization.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I never said Baker wants to be here and, in fact, have said he likely does not want to be here. What you are saying is Baker is going to start behaving the exact opposite as he has since college (maybe even HS) and not believe in himself? Do you think Baker believes he can have a great season if given a chance?

Should you answer that with the obvious answer is he then better off playing and playing well or sitting out?

My answer. He's better off playing for 31 other teams. But no one wants him at the current asking price.

Has 0 to do with whether he believes in himself or not.

It's all about finding a dance partner.

 

[Batman]

Here is how the Cleveland Browns starting quarterbacks list breaks down by starts since the year 2000:​

• 2000: Doug Pederson (8), Tim Couch (7), Spergon Wynn (1)
• 2001: Tim Couch (16)
• 2002: Tim Couch (14), Kelly Holcomb (2)
• 2003: Kelly Holcomb (8), Tim Couch (8)
• 2004: Jeff Garcia (10), Luke McCown (4), Kelly Holcomb (2)
• 2005: Trent Dilfer (11), Charlie Frye (5)
• 2006: Charlie Frye (13), Derek Anderson (3)
• 2007: Derek Anderson (15), Charlie Frye (1)
• 2008: Derek Anderson (9), Brady Quinn (3), Ken Dorsey (3), Bruce Gradkowski (1)
• 2009: Brady Quinn (9), Derek Anderson (7)
• 2010: Colt McCoy (8), Jake Delhomme (4), Seneca Wallace (4)
• 2011: Colt McCoy (13), Seneca Wallace (3)
• 2012: Brandon Weeden (15), Thad Lewis (1)
• 2013: Jason Campbell (8), Brandon Weeden (5), Brian Hoyer (3)
• 2014: Brian Hoyer (13), Johnny Manziel (2), Connor Shaw (1)
• 2015: Josh McCown (8), Johnny Manziel (6), Austin Davis (2)
• 2016: Cody Kessler (8), Robert Griffin III (5), Josh McCown (3)
• 2017: DeShone Kizer (15), Kevin Hogan (1)
• 2018: Baker Mayfield (13), Tyrod Taylor (3)
• 2019: Baker Mayfield (16)
• 2020: Baker Mayfield (16)
• 2021: Baker Mayfield (14), Case Keenum (2), Nick Mullens (1)

Record----118-234-1(.335)

SMH

 

[wilwhite]

The new case drip is intentional as fuck for the record.

It's in the contract that Watson disclosed all the occurrences that could cause issues. Either the new cases are garbage or Watson is in trouble.

If he told the Browns and the NFL, "Yep, kept my junk under the towel the other 42 times!" and it's not true, they won't like that.

By the way, what's the number now? 26 out of 66? That's an insanely bad number. And like two more who dropped it? And may be others who never came forward because they weren't willing to deal with the public scrutiny.

The idea that half the young women he sought a massage from would just make shit up for money is... wrong.

 

[wilwhite]

I'm not going to agree nor disagree. Stats are stats and can be used to weaken or strengthen any argument.

My question is, if Baker was so goo why did the Browns FO screw up by calling him a child (paraphrasing) and go sign Watson to that insane deal?

Watson is sick good. Like top-three QB after Rodgers and Brady are gone. Those guys are very hard to come by.

That's why.

And maybe Mayfield is a child. (You don't SAY it, though. Idiots.)

 

[NWPATSFAN]

So fine him. I'm more than certain the NFL can get creative in how to hand a punishment down.

Suspending him an extra year because of how his contract is designed is laughably ridiculous.

Not if you look at it from the NFL/Goodell side.

First is the PR issue, they must look like they are serious.

Secondly, Goodell doesn't like being made to look like a fool. Which is exactly what the Browns FO did by structuring the contract the way they did.

That will not sit well with the Czar's vindictive ass. Long suspension and a large fine, is what I'm betting on.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Watson is sick good. Like top-three QB after Rodgers and Brady are gone. Those guys are very hard to come by.

That's why.

And maybe Mayfield is a child. (You don't SAY it, though. Idiots.)

I can understand most of what you're saying. However, people will argue BM had put up quality numbers.

So why take the chance on going all in on Watson hoping you sign him, while alienating the QB who took you to your first playoff win in decades?
Not to mention the Brown FO was aware of the pending issues Watson was bringing with him. Could miss two years of NFL play. How will that effect his performance? Then throw that crazy contract on top of it.

Was it worth it? Can't answer that now.

Time will tell.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I cant see this being this big.
If something came up that they feel this bad about it. He probably shouldnt play again.
but if it is true.
Cleveland signs a record money deal for a player that 4 of the 5 year contract will be affected by this suspension.
By the time he does play it will be almost 5 years since he had last played with one year left on his contract.
Would love to be a fly on the wall when they negotiate an extension after all of this. Demanding 50+ mil a year.

 

[Ickey Shuffle]

Here is how the Cleveland Browns starting quarterbacks list breaks down by starts since the year 2000:​

• 2000: Doug Pederson (8), Tim Couch (7), Spergon Wynn (1)
• 2001: Tim Couch (16)
• 2002: Tim Couch (14), Kelly Holcomb (2)
• 2003: Kelly Holcomb (8), Tim Couch (8)
• 2004: Jeff Garcia (10), Luke McCown (4), Kelly Holcomb (2)
• 2005: Trent Dilfer (11), Charlie Frye (5)
• 2006: Charlie Frye (13), Derek Anderson (3)
• 2007: Derek Anderson (15), Charlie Frye (1)
• 2008: Derek Anderson (9), Brady Quinn (3), Ken Dorsey (3), Bruce Gradkowski (1)
• 2009: Brady Quinn (9), Derek Anderson (7)
• 2010: Colt McCoy (8), Jake Delhomme (4), Seneca Wallace (4)
• 2011: Colt McCoy (13), Seneca Wallace (3)
• 2012: Brandon Weeden (15), Thad Lewis (1)
• 2013: Jason Campbell (8), Brandon Weeden (5), Brian Hoyer (3)
• 2014: Brian Hoyer (13), Johnny Manziel (2), Connor Shaw (1)
• 2015: Josh McCown (8), Johnny Manziel (6), Austin Davis (2)
• 2016: Cody Kessler (8), Robert Griffin III (5), Josh McCown (3)
• 2017: DeShone Kizer (15), Kevin Hogan (1)
• 2018: Baker Mayfield (13), Tyrod Taylor (3)
• 2019: Baker Mayfield (16)
• 2020: Baker Mayfield (16)
• 2021: Baker Mayfield (14), Case Keenum (2), Nick Mullens (1)

Record----118-234-1(.335)

SMH

Jeff Garcia was the shit. The Fitzpatrick of yesteryear.

 

[wilwhite]

Here is how the Cleveland Browns starting quarterbacks list breaks down by starts since the year 2000:​

• 2000: Doug Pederson (8), Tim Couch (7), Spergon Wynn (1)
• 2001: Tim Couch (16)
• 2002: Tim Couch (14), Kelly Holcomb (2)
• 2003: Kelly Holcomb (8), Tim Couch (8)
• 2004: Jeff Garcia (10), Luke McCown (4), Kelly Holcomb (2)
• 2005: Trent Dilfer (11), Charlie Frye (5)
• 2006: Charlie Frye (13), Derek Anderson (3)
• 2007: Derek Anderson (15), Charlie Frye (1)
• 2008: Derek Anderson (9), Brady Quinn (3), Ken Dorsey (3), Bruce Gradkowski (1)
• 2009: Brady Quinn (9), Derek Anderson (7)
• 2010: Colt McCoy (8), Jake Delhomme (4), Seneca Wallace (4)
• 2011: Colt McCoy (13), Seneca Wallace (3)
• 2012: Brandon Weeden (15), Thad Lewis (1)
• 2013: Jason Campbell (8), Brandon Weeden (5), Brian Hoyer (3)
• 2014: Brian Hoyer (13), Johnny Manziel (2), Connor Shaw (1)
• 2015: Josh McCown (8), Johnny Manziel (6), Austin Davis (2)
• 2016: Cody Kessler (8), Robert Griffin III (5), Josh McCown (3)
• 2017: DeShone Kizer (15), Kevin Hogan (1)
• 2018: Baker Mayfield (13), Tyrod Taylor (3)
• 2019: Baker Mayfield (16)
• 2020: Baker Mayfield (16)
• 2021: Baker Mayfield (14), Case Keenum (2), Nick Mullens (1)

Record----118-234-1(.335)

SMH

Not their millennium.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

you are saying what you believe, not what Baker believes (or what you think he believes). If Baker and his agent believe he can play why would they decide sitting is better for him?

I also don't blame Baker for feeling how he does. I don't really blame anyone for feeling how they do.

I hope he does not take a snap but not for the reason you suggest. I hope he doesn't because Watson got a short suspension or no suspension. I don't care what the fans think, and I doubt the Browns care either. If Baker plays and plays well that's great for the team and kooky talk to think otherwise. The players will be thrilled to win games and ride the storm with Watson out. Do you really think they'd prefer a 6-11 season with the backup over - gasp - a playoff season? They can figure it out after the season is over what to do.

It is quite clear the Browns don't care what the average Browns fan thinks.

 

[jarntt]

Zero percent chance that would hold. But even with that the Browns would have a pretty major gripe wirh the league considering they consulted with them prior to the deal.

What exactly were the conversations between the league and the Browns? To me the Browns absolutely went all in recklessly with what they gave up in picks and guaranteed money for a good, not great player. They obviously knew there was a possibility of a long suspension and even a chance at jail time and a shit ton of bad press. I doubt there was much the league was going to tell them about an ongoing case that was going to make them pull out.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Just a rumor... but damn

 

[Stakesarehigh]

What exactly were the conversations between the league and the Browns? To me the Browns absolutely went all in recklessly with what they gave up in picks and guaranteed money for a good, not great player. They obviously knew there was a possibility of a long suspension and even a chance at jail time and a shit ton of bad press. I doubt there was much the league was going to tell them about an ongoing case that was going to make them pull out.

Every feeling the Browns had was it would be less than 8 games.

You all are coming out now acting like any of you thought it would be longer than a season. If over a season was even a consideration that should've 100 percent been communicated.

Clearly it wasn't

 

[Manster7588]

Every feeling the Browns had was it would be less than 8 games.

You all are coming out now acting like any of you thought it would be longer than a season. If over a season was even a consideration that should've 100 percent been communicated.

Clearly it wasn't

Maybe it WAS 8 games, but then more cases dropped.
The Browns said they stand behind Watson after it got uglier, the NFL apparently doesn’t.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Maybe it WAS 8 games, but then more cases dropped.
The Browns said they stand behind Watson after it got uglier, the NFL apparently doesn’t.

So 22 cases was 8 games but 26 is 4 years?

Makes sense.