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Series Thread: M's Vs Twins, April 24th-26th

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7 walks and 3 errors. When does Lloyd start to get criticism for this lousy play? His bark (with media) seems to be stronger than his bite (with players).

Cut the walks in half and get rid of the errors and perhaps the Mariners win that game. Mediocre defense has really been killing this team so far, struggling with the fundamentals. 3 of the runs Paxton gave up were unearned. Think about that for a second.
 

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Cut the walks in half and get rid of the errors and perhaps the Mariners win that game. Mediocre defense has really been killing this team so far, struggling with the fundamentals. 3 of the runs Paxton gave up were unearned. Think about that for a second.

True, but Paxton 2015 is nowhere near Paxton 2014.
 

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Another ball drops in front of Jackson that I feel like he could have gotten too
 

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Another ball drops in front of Jackson that I feel like he could have gotten too

I recall him being a great defensive centerfielder with the Tigers. So far this year his defense hasn't been overly impressive. On the bright side, he's looking better at the plate. I have to assume that with his athletic ability, perhaps the defense will improve.
 

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True, but Paxton 2015 is nowhere near Paxton 2014.

Watching his last start (I haven't had time to watch as many games this year as in previous years), the biggest thing that I've noticed that has changed is he appears to not be throwing as many strikes. I have to assume he will adjust, watching him pitch he still has great stuff, his command just seems to be off.
 

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Another thing regarding Paxton, is when he has been missing, it has been by barely a hair. It's not like he is off by a lot.
 

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Hate to go 4 straight posts, but the Mariners really need to get their shit together and win this game. They can't be losing easy series like this if they really want to compete for a playoff spot.
 

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Watching his last start (I haven't had time to watch as many games this year as in previous years), the biggest thing that I've noticed that has changed is he appears to not be throwing as many strikes. I have to assume he will adjust, watching him pitch he still has great stuff, his command just seems to be off.

Command is definitely off, but also notice a lack of movement on his pitches. They are straight with no cut. His arm strength looks good so there is that.
 

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Command is definitely off, but also notice a lack of movement on his pitches. They are straight with no cut. His arm strength looks good so there is that.

His curve still looked pretty juicy. I feel like most of the swings and misses he got were from his curve.
 

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This game has gotten off to an annoying start. The good news is Elias is locating the curve decently. Got unlucky with a couple bleeders in the first.
 

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Hate to go 4 straight posts, but the Mariners really need to get their shit together and win this game. They can't be losing easy series like this if they really want to compete for a playoff spot.
If the M's win this game it's overall a disappointing home stand at 5-4, lose and it's a disastrous 4-5 against 3 teams that you have no business losing home series against.

Either way it means right now this is indeed a bad team. Way too early to write off playoffs though.
 

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His curve still looked pretty juicy. I feel like most of the swings and misses he got were from his curve.

Ya, I was referring to lack of movement on his fastball and slider. Curved looked good, but he really has thrown it much this year.
 

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"The throw by Miller is high and late".

Should put that on the tombstone of this home stand.
 

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If the M's win this game it's overall a disappointing home stand at 5-4, lose and it's a disastrous 4-5 against 3 teams that you have no business losing home series against.

Either way it means right now this is indeed a bad team. Way too early to write off playoffs though.

If the pitching continues like this, we have a problem.
 

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If the pitching continues like this, we have a problem.
Oh we have a problem alright. The question is at what point in the season can you write off those problems as being too bad or just not enough time to overcome and still find a way to the post season. That point won't come in May.
 

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Oh we have a problem alright. The question is at what point in the season can you write off those problems as being too bad or just not enough time to overcome and still find a way to the post season. That point won't come in May.

I have to assume these problems will be resolved. Will we see the dominance we saw last year? I highly doubt it. But I do think that the defense will fix things, as will Paxton and Walker. I'm not saying Paxton and Walker will be Cy Young worthy, but the terrible performances they've put up will begin to improve. Plus, I have to assume once Iwakuma comes off the DL, he will return to form.
 

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Even if all of those things come true, losing 4 or 5 of this home stand against the level of play we faced this last week might still come back to haunt them later.
 
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