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[ericd7633]

What a bunch of malarkey. Yes, ND gets preferential treatment, and if you don't think that is true you don't understand college football. Do you realize how often my team would have gone to a BCS bowl if "all" we had to do was come in the top 8? And, my team even had the SEC bias working in their favor. As to 3 losses, other than 2007, I am not aware of any or many years where teams with 3 losses got into any BCS bowl games. Please direct us to those teams and bowls. Then ... "all" you had to do was finish in top 14 to get an at large bid ... pity poor you ... count the number of other teams from AQ conferences that were in the top 14 and didn't get BCS bids. I actually think a good ND is good for college football, but the "special treatment" myth is no such thing.

By the way, I understood the rant ... it didn't make the post any less ironic.

Please tell me what year ND made a BCS game with 3 losses? Because I can sure as hell tell you other programs who made a BCS game with 3 losses.

 

[LawDawg]

Please tell me what year ND made a BCS game with 3 losses? Because I can sure as hell tell you other programs who made a BCS game with 3 losses.

I didn't bring up the 3 losses ... another poster did.

 

[jjc2009]

Please tell me what year ND made a BCS game with 3 losses? Because I can sure as hell tell you other programs who made a BCS game with 3 losses.

Eric, see my link above. It's happened far more often than people realize.

 

[socaljim242]

Couldn't be more wrong about this. In what years when ND made a BCS game was it not warranted? 2000, 2005, 2006 and 2012 ND was very warranted of being in that game. Did they perform well in those games, no, but that doesn't mean they didn't deserve to go to them based on their results from the regular season. You can make a case they don't get preferential treatment because they could have easily been picked in 2002 as well. Ranked 10th at the time, had 4 wins over teams that finished the year in the top 25.

As for the new playoff, it's not ND's past that will get them in. You realize ND plays annually one of the toughest schedules in the country? They go 11-1 or 12-0 with that schedule they should be included most years depending on how the rest of the country shakes out.

According to you ND was warranted to go to every BCS game they went to yet were pretty much blown out of every single one and never won a BCS game. Coincidence or did they just not belong but were placed there because you put "butts in the seats"?

 

[LawDawg]

For your edification. And this was just through 2009 when this article was written. See, being in an AQ conference had a distinct advantage over being an independent. All you had to do was suck less than everyone else and you got to go. ND never got to go with more than two losses. Facts don't lie, you just parrot what the babbling heads say on TV.
Notre Dame and the BCS: The ?Notre Dame Rule? » Archive » Clashmore Mike

You may be correct ... will review the article later. But, I am an independent thinker ... I don't parrot what others say. If you are right, I will admit it. If you aren't I will debate it. So keep your condescending "parrot" shit to yourself.

 

[FSUmanager]

Damn this thread went 100 miles from its original intent.

 

[jjc2009]

To further illustrate the point, since 2009 in just the Sugar Bowl alone, the 2012 game pitted two teams ranked #13 Michigan and #11 Va Tech. ND would have had to finished 8th or higher. 2013 #21 Louisville played Fla. Under no circumstances would a 15 ranking or higher allow ND to go. And last year, Oklahoma at #11 played with an at large bid. The same rank ND played LSU in 2007. I could waste more time on the other bowls and show 3 plus loss teams playing, but why should I. The ND special treatment line is and always has been bullshit. At best, they are preferred because their brand sells.

 

[jjc2009]

Damn this thread went 100 miles from its original intent.

True and it's my fault. It just amazes me that people still spout thT BS. I gotta call em on it.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

FSU thread turns into an ND thread.

Lol, people hate us so much, but love to give us supreme attention.

Thanks everyone!

 

[jjc2009]

According to you ND was warranted to go to every BCS game they went to yet were pretty much blown out of every single one and never won a BCS game. Coincidence or did they just not belong but were placed there because you put "butts in the seats"?

I guess we should have taken the honorable road and declined the invite and all that BCS money. I'm sure that's what most schools would have done. :rollseyes:

 

[socaljim242]

To further illustrate the point, since 2009 in just the Sugar Bowl alone, the 2012 game pitted two teams ranked #13 Michigan and #11 Va Tech. ND would have had to finished 8th or higher. 2013 #21 Louisville played Fla. Under no circumstances would a 15 ranking or higher allow ND to go. And last year, Oklahoma at #11 played with an at large bid. The same rank ND played LSU in 2007. I could waste more time on the other bowls and show 3 plus loss teams playing, but why should I. The ND special treatment line is and always has been bullshit. At best, they are preferred because their brand sells.

"The ND special treatment line is and always has been bullshit".
" they are preferred because their brand sells"

any questions? lol

 

[ericd7633]

According to you ND was warranted to go to every BCS game they went to yet were pretty much blown out of every single one and never won a BCS game. Coincidence or did they just not belong but were placed there because you put "butts in the seats"?

Based on on field performance, yes, they did deserve to go to those bowl games. I said they got blown out of most of them. But a lot of teams other than ND got blown out in BCS games. And those teams obviously deserved to be there by either winning their shitty conference or being an at large pick. It's not like an undeserved ND team was ever selected.

 

[socaljim242]

I guess we should have taken the honorable road and declined the invite and all that BCS money. I'm sure that's what most schools would have done. :rollseyes:

Doesnt change the facts. If you had belonged you'd think you'd win once at least . If you're always the worst teams in the BCS game you're put in then you gotta ask yourself if you belonged. Maybe you guys just have bad luck and are always put in a bowl game with a team thats better. Roll your eyes all you want. lol

 

[jjc2009]

"The ND special treatment line is and always has been bullshit".
" they are preferred because their brand sells"

any questions? lol

Yeah, I got two. First, why did you cherry pick that line and ignore all the other facts I wrote? Two, does Barry Manilow know that you raid his wardrobe?

 

[socaljim242]

Based on on field performance, yes, they did deserve to go to those bowl games. I said they got blown out of most of them. But a lot of teams other than ND got blown out in BCS games. And those teams obviously deserved to be there by either winning their shitty conference or being an at large pick. It's not like an undeserved ND team was ever selected.

Sorry but just because teams were placed in BCS games they didn't always deserve to be there. Or did you forget the whole butts in seats thing?

 

[socaljim242]

Yeah, I got two. First, why did you cherry pick that line and ignore all the other facts I wrote? Two, does Barry Manilow know that you raid his wardrobe?

I cherry picked your last two lines? That is not the definition of cherry picking.

 

[jjc2009]

Doesnt change the facts. If you had belonged you'd think you'd win once at least . If you're always the worst teams in the BCS game you're put in then you gotta ask yourself if you belonged. Maybe you guys just have bad luck and are always put in a bowl game with a team thats better. Roll your eyes all you want. lol

We met the criteria to belong. Our path to the BCS was actually higher than teams from AQ schools. Those are FACTS. Whether you think we were a worthy opponent in those games is an OPINION. Do you not know the difference?

 

[jjc2009]

Sorry but just because teams were placed in BCS games they didn't always deserve to be there. Or did you forget the whole butts in seats thing?

Besides, better to have gone and lost than gone and vacated.

 

[socaljim242]

We met the criteria to belong. Our path to the BCS was actually higher than teams from AQ schools. Those are FACTS. Whether you think we were a worthy opponent in those games is an OPINION. Do you not know the difference?

The fact is Notre dame lost badly in every BCS bowl game they were placed in. It's possible they were over hyped and got voted higher than they should have been and didn;t belong in that bowl game or they just had the bad luck of being placed against a better team every single time. Or they all just choked .I find the last one less credible because it's different players and different coaches. There is no right answer . Bad luck , didn't belong or a combo of both. Either way you never won a BCS game.

 

[socaljim242]

Besides, better to have gone and lost than gone and vacated.

True if USC had only gone and won one BCS game. But theres plenty more they went to and won. lol

Edit. We had to vacate the Oklahoma beat down. But It's still right up there in mine and most Trojan fans memories. I'm sure a way better memory than any of the BCS blow outs Notre dame has suffered