Is Belichick the best?

[TP76]

My guess is if you asked BB, he'd say it's Paul Brown.

Pretty much, Belichick called him the Father of modern football. Belichick was tasked with defeating Brown's offense in the 80's with the Giants. Walsh was running it (and sometimes taking credit for it) but the WCO was Brown's invention when he started with the fledgling Bengals. The dearth of talent he was dealing with on the OL and at RB for the expansion Bengals had forced him to adapt. Walsh later refined it, of course. According to Belichick, it was essentially Paul Brown's offense right down to the same terminology.

If there was no Paul Brown, there would be no Bill Walsh and the WCO.

 

[GNG]

The last playoff victory for the Browns ('94) was under Belichick, and, interestingly enough, against his old boss, Bill Parcells and the Patriots.

So what?

 

[wazzu31]

Is there really a question that he is by far the best? He has done all of this longer than any of the other candidates and has had to do it with a salary cap. No other coach can sniff his hoodie.

 

[Ricky Roma]

your opinion is stupid then

'Knoll.'

 

[richig07]

I think he's probably the best ever. However, I also don't remember Walsh, Landry, Knoll, Shula or Lombardi.

He's the best I've ever seen, by far.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Look there is little doubt he is the best ever to say otherwise is just dumb.

 

[Rex Racer]

This guy was the best

Lombardi, Belichick and Shula (no particular order) all run a distant second/third and fourth. Now I'm outa here before @mrschaney goes apeshit.

Paul Brown, Lombardi and Belichick are the top 3 without a doubt. The rest, Walsh, Shula, Noll, Landry etc, occupy the 2nd tier of greatness.

 

[Rex Racer]

Who is Knoll?

He's over there, up on that small hill.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Pretty much, Belichick called him the Father of modern football. Belichick was tasked with defeating Brown's offense in the 80's with the Giants. Walsh was running it (and sometimes taking credit for it) but the WCO was Brown's invention when he started with the fledgling Bengals. The dearth of talent he was dealing with on the OL and at RB for the expansion Bengals had forced him to adapt. Walsh later refined it, of course. According to Belichick, it was essentially Paul Brown's offense right down to the same terminology.

If there was no Paul Brown, there would be no Bill Walsh and the WCO.

It is amazing how much of what Paul Brown brought to football is still being used. .

I think Belichick is certainly one of the best of all time coaches but there have been a number of great coaches.

 

[Moab]

He's the best now, that I'd agree with. It's very difficult to try to compare and quantify the greats from different eras. While the game is basically the same, they all had obstacles and difficulties to overcome. They all overcame them better than their contemporaries, that's what makes them the best of their era.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Holding is cheating... Pass interference is cheating... etc...

if you aint cheating, you aint trying...

Bullshit! This isn't like using stick 'em or or grabbing a jersey when the refs aren't looking. They used fucking technology to cheat, knowingly break rules, then cry about lawsuits when caught.

All of those Lombardi trophies aren't worth shit

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Bullshit! This isn't like using stick 'em or or grabbing a jersey when the refs aren't looking. They used fucking technology to cheat, knowingly break rules, then cry about lawsuits when caught.

All of those Lombardi trophies aren't worth shit

Dont give me that weak-assed facepalm bullshit. Quit being a fag

 

[DetroitDevil]

Bullshit! This isn't like using stick 'em or or grabbing a jersey when the refs aren't looking. They used fucking technology to cheat, knowingly break rules, then cry about lawsuits when caught.

All of those Lombardi trophies aren't worth shit

stfu clucka, high tech ball deflation? quit being an envious weasel.

 

[DetroitDevil]

Dont give me that weak-assed facepalm bullshit. Quit being a fag

oops

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Ar

stfu clucka, high tech ball deflation? quit being an envious weasel.

I am not talking about that dumbass. Spygate ring a bell?

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Bullshit! This isn't like using stick 'em or or grabbing a jersey when the refs aren't looking. They used fucking technology to cheat, knowingly break rules, then cry about lawsuits when caught.

All of those Lombardi trophies aren't worth shit

Oh that's better dumbass. Go ahead, defend that bullshit

 

[DetroitDevil]

Ar

I am not talking about that dumbass. Spygate ring a bell?

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Spygate (2007) Modified: 09/21/2016">

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TEAM: The New England Patriots

SEVERITY:

SUMMARY: The Patriots were disciplined for videotaping their September 9, 2007 regular-season 38-14 road victory against the New York Jets from the wrong location. The Patriots filmed from an unapproved sideline location instead of from an approved indoor location.

Coincidentally, the Jets had engaged in the same filming activity during their November 12, 2006 regular season game against the Patriots in Foxborough. During that game, a Jets cameraman was caught filming the game and Patriots signals and removed from the stadium. A year later, as a form of payback, the Jets flagged the Patriots for the same activity.

Videotaping your opponents offensive and defensive signals during a game is not prohibited by the league, even today. However, there are places in the stadium where you are allowed and not allowed to film from. According to the 2007 NFL Game Operations Manual, legal game videotaping locations "must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."



VICTIM: New York Jets (and Roger Goodell's ego)

PUNISHED? Yes

PUNISHMENT: As punishment for filming the game from the wrong location, NFL commissioner and former Jets public relations intern Roger Goodell fined Patriots head coach Bill Belichick $500,000, fined the Patriots $250,000, and docked the team their original first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

PEDSgate (5x since 2007) Modified: 09/20/2016">

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TEAM: The New England Patriots

SEVERITY:

SUMMARY: Performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) are used by players to illegally improve athletic performance above what legal training and preparation can do.

Players who illegally improve their performance unfairly penalize players who follow the rules. They not only put those players at risk for physical injury, but they also affect their economic livelihood by impacting their perceived value and their ability to secure appropriately-valued playing contracts.

SEVERITY = 0.5 video cameras per punished incident. Includes all documented infractions from 1960 to present with this Wikipedia page as the primary source.

• S Rodney Harrison (2007)
• LB Brandon Spikes (2010)
• DE Jermaine Cunningham (2012)
• RB Brandon Boldin (2012)
• DE Rob Ninkovich (2016)

VICTIM: The entire league

PUNISHED? Yes

PUNISHMENT: Each player was suspended for four games for violating the league's PEDs policy.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

IRgate (2013)

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TEAM: The New England Patriots

SEVERITY:

SUMMARY: Reported Micheal David Smith of ProFootballTalk.com: "Two former Patriots say the team put false information about them on official injury reports."

"Brandon Spikes and Aqib Talib have both said since leaving New England in free agency that when they were on the Patriots last year, the team gave them injury designations that weren’t accurate. Spikes ended last season on injured reserve with a knee injury, and there were reports that Patriots coach Bill Belichick actually put Spikes on IR because Spikes had shown up late to practice. Spikes seemed to confirm that in an interview on WGR in Buffalo."

Said Talib: "The Patriots have their way of reporting stuff, but I haven’t had a hip problem since Tampa, the injury I had was actually a quad injury. It was reported as a hip injury, but that’s how they do things."



VICTIM: The entire league

PUNISHED? No

PUNISHMENT: This could just be the bitching of two disgruntled ex-employees or it may really be "how they do things" up in Foxborough. We'll assume that it is somewhere in the middle. The league never investigated the claims and the Patriots were never penalized for the accusations leveled by Talib and Spikes.