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Charlie Morton, Nothing to see here

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  1. DirtDirtDirt

    DirtDirtDirt Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, Frank basically said two things:

    1) everybody knows everybody cheated, so let them all in
    2) If you didn't cheat, you'd be screaming and hollering that you didn't, and none of these guys actually scream and holler
     
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    Hard to argue, I especially agree with Point #1....Not that i think its "Everybody", but many have definitely slipped through the cracks which makes it blatanly unfair to the others.....

    And lets be honest, its a popularity contest anyway, the assumption is David Ortiz will get in, and thats based solely (besides his accomplishments) on him being a likeable guy, as opposed to Clemens and Bonds
     
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    This just in.......
    Justin Verlander and Garret Cole are pretty good pitchers and have a history of being good.:suds:[/QUOTE]

    Cole was a decent pitcher, but nothing special for the Pirates. Moves over to the tougher league for pitchers and starts dominating.

    As as great as Verlander had been in his career, he'd never been this good, and he's 35.
     
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    You might be right. You definitely watch more Braves baseball than I do, so I'll have to take your word for it. I just see what he has done in the highlight on MLB tonight.

    One question, would you reverse the trade today?
     
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    Frank Thomas is probably the only player from the era that is above suspicion(well maybe a soft tosser like Maddux, I'm not so sure PEDs would have helped his performance considering what he was trying to do)

    "As early as 1995, Thomas was advocating drug testing for professional baseball players.[27] After hitting his 500th home run, Thomas stated, "It means a lot to me because I did it the right way", alluding to Barry Bonds's then-ongoing pursuit of Hank Aaron's career home run record.[28] Thomas was, then, the only active baseball player to be interviewed during the preparation of the Mitchell Report. He did so voluntarily."
     
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    No. I might have tried to get someone other than Rio Ruiz in retrospect. Gattis is an American League player. He had a gun for throwing out base stealers, but he was pretty bad defensively as a catcher, and was a joke in left field. The offense was fine, but we really had no place to put him. The Suzuki-Flowers catching combo has given me nothing to complain about.

    Folty has been good, but his numbers look a little better than he actually has been.

    He has nights where everything is clicking and he looks like the best pitcher in the league. He also has nights where he has 115 pitches through 5 innings, where he didn't allow many runs, but had no control over any of his pitches.

    I've seen him pitch a complete game with 11 K's and only 1 walk and 2 hits. I've also seen him go 5 innings while striking out 10 while walking 5. You never know which version will show up.
     
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    He was basically Mookie from "Do the Right Thing" just a few years ago......
     
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    :suds:
     
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    Frank Thomas made Aaron Judge look like a pipsqueak. Guy was a savage at Auburn as a TE. Him using steroids wouldn't have made much sense.
     
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    nothing shady about our guys. We didn't fuck around, our guys were outright cheaters and crooks with no apologies
     
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    he's definitely filthy no question about it. That said, he better be taking a piss quiz at least 3x/week bcuz this has an odor to it.
     
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    Doesnt matter.

    You think Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, Armstrong, Ortiz, and the rest were never tested? PED makers know what the testers are testing for.

    They’re all juicing, and the only ones getting caught are the ones buying the cheap shit, or the ones too stupid to follow instructions.

    @richig07 is on HGH right now.
     
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    personally I don't think it's a bad as before. The players who get caught are mostly Latinos who can buy this stuff over the counter at home. Testing is much better than before in that they do have some knowledge of what these guys are using to cover up the drugs that are helping them. Before they didn't realize what guys used to hide this stuff. Cano is perfect example. He was actually detected last winter even though it took months to be sure they had him. He was caught by trying to hide what he was using.
    Not to say guys aren't still using today bcuz they most certainly are. The chances of getting caught are much greater than they were during the Bonds/Clemons yrs.
     
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    The key is to stay away from the Dominican milkshakes

    They'll get you every time
     
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    One thing I've learned from this thread is if you are big, it is more likely you're hitting those homers naturally. I guess Papi was clean after all.
     
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    Of course the chances of getting caught are much greater than during the Bonds/Clemens years - they weren't testing at all back then.

    I still think probably 75% of professional athletes (baseball players included) use PEDs, and I disagree that the testing has caught up to the drugs. It's a cat and mouse game and the drug manufacturers are always ahead of the testing - they learn what the tests are looking for, and they develop a way around it.
     
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    Ooh, hi there

    Are you on work-release again? Or did you get paroled this time?
     
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    summer vacation again son? Go fuck yourself
     
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    don't misunderstand , I don't believe testing has caught up or ever will. I'm just pointing out that at least these days they know enough to look for the drugs that are masking the real drugs. Wasn't too long ago they never even considered that. It would be interesting to see how many athletes are actually using.