Celtics Off-Season - the Quest for AD

[The Q]

Well... sh!t yeah!... if Kawhi will come to Boston I'll meet him at the airport... help him move... whatever else he wants. Anything.

That's not on my realistic radar of possibility, though. That being said: f#ck yeah I'm down with that idea.. we can dream.

I mean. I didn’t say it’s the most likely path.

It’s just the other path that could be a title contender

 

[Gman]

I mean. I didn’t say it’s the most likely path.

It’s just the other path that could be a title contender

Yeah, I hear you... it's a hope and a prayer, though... I'm sure every team in the NBA hopes Kawhi gives them a call and begs to sign with them.

 

[The Q]

Yeah, I hear you... it's a hope and a prayer, though... I'm sure every team in the NBA hopes Kawhi gives them a call and begs to sign with them.

Mostly likely plan if Kyrie leaves.

Trade for Conley and brow.

I’ve seen rumors of Memphis and Boston hggling over the first round that goes to Memphis with Hayward in this deal.

Mle goes to Shabazz Napier.

Biannual to James Ennis or the like.

Have to keep Scary Terry here.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I personally think the Celtics would be better off dumping Hayward and Kyrie and building from there. No AD but I think he'd have to re-sign to make the risk trading your best young player worth it

 

[The Q]

I find Tatum and brown to be overrated.

I’m ok going all in now. You kind of have to.

And keep theis.

You use your exceptions on the backcourt and wing.

 

[dtgold88]

Nope... They would be if AD was for sale after Davis said that the Bucks are among his preferred destinations, but now that the Pelicans are not trading AD the Bucks are looking elsewhere.

I see......if not for AD deciding to stay put (which no one seems to think is the case as of now), a trade highlighting Snell for AD is in the cards.

 

[dtgold88]

theres stories of Kyrie not talking to his Cavs teammates and practice for weeks on end...not like 1 or 2 weeks. like almost 2 months. lol

Not sure I have heard months, but Jason Lloyd has definitely said 2-3 weeks. Said it happens in Boston, too.

 

[dtgold88]

You want to put just as much blame on a bench player than their star player? lol that's not how it works. Part of the problem with Rozier IS Kyrie so really Kyrie is the cause of all this. Celtics fans now realize why Cavs fans were so upset with what Kyrie did in Cleveland. He not only most likely forced Lebron out eventually and a chance at possibly more titles runs or FA's coming to Cleveland but he acted childish while bad-mouthing the city of Cleveland. I hope he never wins another title and imo he has been the main problem in Boston, not some bench player.

Agree with everything other than the Lebron aspect. He was gone no matter what.

 

[dtgold88]

It's somewhat interesting that your main overall point is 'blame the bigger/better player'... and in the middle of that main point you blame Kyrie for the actions of LeBron... ... what am I even supposed to make outta that?

Anyway... I don't necessarily agree with the maxim you've created here... nor do I see the need for a maxim whatsoever. I blame Rozier for the 2 things I highlighted that attach directly to him, without reference to any other human being.

Beyond that, it's not a zero sum game... both Kyrie can be blamed for what directly attaches to him and Rozier can be blamed for his part and it doesn't have to be an either/or.

Agree 100%. Too often fans want to blame others as opposed to the responsible party (look how often coaches take blame when a player or players shit the bed in a game).

And no doubt Kyrie had zero to do with Lebron leaving.

 

[The Q]

Yeah, I hear you... it's a hope and a prayer, though... I'm sure every team in the NBA hopes Kawhi gives them a call and begs to sign with them.

the other option is the gamble on a CP3 bounce back.

just don't ask me how it works contract wise.

Hayward has to go to Houston in any deal. But CP3, Brow, Al is an old core. Then you need to rebuild on the fly with Brow.

 

[flyerhawk]

Agree with everything other than the Lebron aspect. He was gone no matter what.

I think if Kyrie stays, Lebron may have stayed. I think that if the Cavs were willing to trade the Sexton pick for immediate help, Lebron may have stayed.

 

[The Q]

I think if Kyrie stays, Lebron may have stayed. I think that if the Cavs were willing to trade the Sexton pick for immediate help, Lebron may have stayed.

they were.

he wouldn't commit.

so they couldn't.

kinda like Boston and Brow now.

 

[dtgold88]

Let's say Kyrie walks... and Boston doesn't get AD.

Anyone have the Celtics seriously competing for a title in that set of events?

Bueller?

They'll be a nice team... but not able to beat the Giannis', Kawhi's, and Golden States of the world in a 7 game series.

And then what? That's it?

They definitely could be in big trouble if Kyrie chooses to leave. wonder if Golden Boy Danny takes some heat with everything they had going for them a few years ago.

 

[dtgold88]

No. I am saying if Kyrie doesn't force his way out there is WAY GREATER chance Lebron stays. I think everyone can agree with that and there are plenty of reasons why.

You are trying to put equal blame for both players, Rozier and Kyrie...."they would be just as much to blame as Kyrie." Rozier being unhappy relates to Kyrie. Was Rozier unhappy when Kyrie was hurt or shutting his mouth? It isn't a coincidence Kyrie forces a trade from CLE as well as causes dysfunction inside the CLE locker room then gets traded to Boston and as soon as he steps on the floor the same dysfunction happens in Boston. You are fooling yourself if you don't think this is the root of the problem here. That's who Kyrie has become. Lets see if Rozier has a problem when Kyrie leaves or goes to a different team. It's a pattern.

Are you aware Lebron was told they'd keep Kyrie if he would commit to stay? He wouldn't. Are you aware Lebron would not call Kyrie to see if he can smooth things over (Kyrie said he didn't want to be his Robin)?

Lebron was gone.

I do agree Kyrie is a huge culprit in any dysfunction.

 

[The Q]

They definitely could be in big trouble if Kyrie chooses to leave. wonder if Golden Boy Danny takes some heat with everything they had going for them a few years ago.

the good news for him is, who else would you trust to rebuild the team and acquire more picks?

the bottom line with the nba is many jobs and titles are decided not by men, but by ping pong balls.

 

[dtgold88]

I think if Kyrie stays, Lebron may have stayed. I think that if the Cavs were willing to trade the Sexton pick for immediate help, Lebron may have stayed.

Lebron was told if he'd commit to stay they'd keep Kyrie. He would not commit. Lebron also made no effort to try and work things out with Kyrie.

I'm sure they were willing to trade the Sexton pick, but only in the right deal. Many wanted it moved for guys like DeAndre Jordan which would have been a huge mistake.

 

[dtgold88]

they were.

he wouldn't commit.

so they couldn't.

kinda like Boston and Brow now.

Exactly!! what should they have done? Moved the pick for a guy like Jordan (who doesn't help them beat GS), then he walks AND Lebron walks? And no pick?

 

[flyerhawk]

Lebron was told if he'd commit to stay they'd keep Kyrie. He would not commit. Lebron also made no effort to try and work things out with Kyrie.

I'm sure they were willing to trade the Sexton pick, but only in the right deal. Many wanted it moved for guys like DeAndre Jordan which would have been a huge mistake.

FTR, I'm not suggesting that the Cavs made the wrong move. Lebron was never going to sign a long term deal which always put the Cavs in an awkward situation. At some point you just have to build for the future.

 

[dtgold88]

FTR, I'm not suggesting that the Cavs made the wrong move. Lebron was never going to sign a long term deal which always put the Cavs in an awkward situation. At some point you just have to build for the future.

I think from what we've heard and what he did it was pretty obvious he just wanted to be in LA. If it was about winning he either stays (longterm deal or another 1 and 1) or goes to Philly.

 

[shopson67]

Look I talk nice to people and expect them to do the same when they quote me... Therefore I'll start with this... "If you think that they won't play all Zion, Randle and AD on the floor, you are the biggest fool not only in SportsHoopla, but also in the universe!" (am I not nice?)

The Pels will play Zion at SF, Randle at PF and AD at CF next season and will use Wood coming from bench as to rotate at both PF and CF as well as internally rotate Zion at SF and PF when their back up SF (possibly Snell from the Bucks? - who carries his bird rights with his contract) comes from bench... Other than this, they'll play Jrue at SG and will look to add a good PG to the starting roster and an 1/2 combo guard coming from bench as well as keep Payton.

They don't have 9 empty spots... Wood for instance is on a 2-year contract but next season not guaranteed (it's a mistake that he appears to be on an 1-year deal on different sites)...

As I said before, CP3 looks to be ideal for them and of course there won't be much competition (if any) if they ask to buy his contract from Houston for (both expiring) Hill and Moore and that would save all their cap space problems and even allow them to offer Davis a super max next season, without ever paying a single penny in lux tax.

I laid out the reasons why there were 9 open spots (cutting loose all free agents and non-guaranteed contracts. If you're keeping Wood and Payton, you're getting closer to capped out even if you sell off Hill/Moore.

You are a fool if you believe they will ride out AD until the end of the season. Griffin is too smart for that, as are ALL NBA GMs. Griffin is ALSO too smart to invest in aging CP3 at $40M a season. AD reiterated at his recent meeting with Griffin that he still wants out. He WILL be traded, which changes the whole offseason into a rebuild.