Calvin Johnson all crabby about the Lions.

[phantomfoul88]

I'll say it again and again he's no HOF'er

 

[Old Lion]

I'll say it again and again he's no HOF'er

You can say it all you want. He is easily in and maybe even first ballot.

 

[phantomfoul88]

You can say it all you want. He is easily in and maybe even first ballot.

He made some spectcular catches but got off to a late start and retired early. In the "big" picture his numbers are good just not HOF worthy IMO. (Catches, Yds, Yds per Catch, TD.

29 Calvin Johnson Detroit Lions (2007–2015) 731 11,619 15.9 83 Eligible in 2021 [7]

 

[Old Lion]

He made some spectcular catches but got off to a late start and retired early. In the "big" picture his numbers are good just not HOF worthy IMO. (Catches, Yds, Yds per Catch, TD.

29 Calvin Johnson Detroit Lions (2007–2015) 731 11,619 15.9 83 Eligible in 2021 [7]

You are greatly in the minority on that belief. Most of the experts are completely convinced he is in.

 

[phantomfoul88]

You are greatly in the minority on that belief. Most of the experts are completely convinced he is in.

Oh please, its a good ole boy system with those clowns. Of course they're gonna say that. If it wasn't for his size we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Old Lion]

Oh please, its a good ole boy system with those clowns. Of course they're gonna say that. If it wasn't for his size we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Meh. I think you are just looking at yards and scores instead of his impact on the game. DCs entire game plan focused on stopping him. He got tripled covered every other game. No other WR in history had that kind of impact on a game.

 

[phantomfoul88]

Meh. I think you are just looking at yards and scores instead of his impact on the game. DCs entire game plan focused on stopping him. He got tripled covered every other game. No other WR in history had that kind of impact on a game.

True, but it was only for a few years.

 

[Old Lion]

True, but it was only for a few years.

Yes, that will be an issue. I think CJ played just enough though.

 

[broncosmitty]

Physically gifted.

Heart of a mouse. (Also mediocre hands)

Herman Moore > CJ

 

[Stomp]

Physically gifted.

Heart of a mouse. (Also mediocre hands)

Herman Moore > CJ

Don't forget cared more about money than winning

 

[Wazmankg]

Was there some other Herman Moore ? The one I remember was good for a lot of 9 yard outs & 7 yard slants .. and then falling down. Having Barry as the opposing D's focus helped too. Calvin may be overrated nationally, but he was better than Moore at basically everything.

 

[Stomp]

Was there some other Herman Moore ? The one I remember was good for a lot of 9 yard outs & 7 yard slants .. and then falling down. Having Barry as the opposing D's focus helped too. Calvin may be overrated nationally, but he was better than Moore at basically everything.

Calvin was definitely better in some areas(speed, breaking tackles, and jump balls), but for his era Herman was just as physically imposing, was a much better route runner, had much much better hands, was one of the greatest run blocking receivers of all time, and had something Calvin didn't heart. Herman was my favorite player growing up and i pretty much hated Calvin ever since he signed that ridiculous contract that seriously hampered any chances the Lions had of getting better(Can't have 15% of the cap tied up in one player at a luxury position).

 

[broncosmitty]

Don't forget cared more about money than winning

81 needs to be in rotation imo.

 

[Stomp]

Herman pre knee injuries was every bit as good as Larry Fitzgerald

 

[Wazmankg]

Calvin was definitely better in some areas(speed, breaking tackles, and jump balls), but for his era Herman was just as physically imposing, was a much better route runner, had much much better hands, was one of the greatest run blocking receivers of all time, and had something Calvin didn't heart. Herman was my favorite player growing up and i pretty much hated Calvin ever since he signed that ridiculous contract that seriously hampered any chances the Lions had of getting better(Can't have 15% of the cap tied up in one player at a luxury position).

Heart is that unquantifiable thing people like to point to when there's nothing tangible, but the next time Moore doesn't go down after 1st contact will be the first. He was kind of tall, but physically imposing ? Nah. Neither had great hands and Moore had Barry to occupy the D. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Stomp]

It was very quantifiable in this instance Herman kept trying to play after being diminished by injuries, Calvin quit

 

[Old Lion]

Imagine what the Lions offense would have been with Barry and Megatron. There would be 3 other guys open on every play.

Please stop with the Herman Moore nonsense. More was good, not great.

 

[Wazmankg]

It was very quantifiable in this instance Herman kept trying to play after being diminished by injuries, Calvin quit

Calvin played through injuries and he had plenty. I don't hold it against any of them who choose to get out, out of concern for their minds and bodies. I wish he hadn't, but I don't blame him .

 

[Stomp]

Imagine what the Lions offense would have been with Barry and Megatron. There would be 3 other guys open on every play.

Imagine Herman with Stafford instead of Peete, Ware, Kramer, Majikowski, Krieg, and Mitchell during his prime

 

[Old Lion]

Imagine Herman with Stafford instead of Peete, Ware, Kramer, Majikowski, Krieg, and Mitchell during his prime

Or if Megatron didnt have QBs like Kitna, Orlovski and Hill his first 4 years.