Butch Jones and Jim Harbaugh Are Both 6-5 in Their Last 11 Games

[tducey]

Surprised to see Harbaugh that low. Guy's supposed to be a top coach for a top program.

 

[7Samurai13]

Surprised to see Harbaugh that low. Guy's supposed to be a top coach for a top program.

It's cherry picking stats by choosing the worst possible record for him. But I'll allow it.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Michigan’s close to preseason projections, despite QB injury

Butch Jones an underdog at UK. If he loses, he’s fired.

 

[Rolltide94]

I think fans of teams like Ohio State have unrealistic expectations about what a coach can and can't do in a few years. After two 10 win seasons and losing the most players to graduation and the NFL in program history, it's not unreasonable to have a down year. The fact that our down year includes one of the best defenses in college is pretty telling. This year is nothing like anything we experienced under the RR or Hoke years.

Sure, fans who hate Harbaugh or Michigan can laugh at the losses. But it's unrealistic to think that Harbaugh won't succeed here in the long term.

LOL at "one of the best defenses in college"

You just got shell shocked by the only good offense you have faced. Penn St scored 42...they averaged 32.5 against their other P5 opponents.

You gave up 17 to Florida...same as the other two decent teams they have played
You gave up 20 to Indiana...they are averaging 16 in B1G play
You gave up 14 to Michigan St in a monsoon...they are averaging 18 against P5

You don't have an opponent this year that someone else hasn't held to less points.

In short, your "best defense" is a product of your schedule.

Certainly you have talent on your defense....particularly up front, but let's try not to go full homer with the superlatives. I'm pretty sure you're not even top 4 in the B1G.

 

[navamind]

Michigan’s close to preseason projections, despite QB injury

too bad no one will read this

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

LOL at "one of the best defenses in college"

You just got shell shocked by the only good offense you have faced. Penn St scored 42...they averaged 32.5 against their other P5 opponents.

You gave up 17 to Florida...same as the other two decent teams they have played
You gave up 20 to Indiana...they are averaging 16 in B1G play
You gave up 14 to Michigan St in a monsoon...they are averaging 18 against P5

You don't have an opponent this year that someone else hasn't held to less points.

In short, your "best defense" is a product of your schedule.

Certainly you have talent on your defense....particularly up front, but let's try not to go full homer with the superlatives. I'm pretty sure you're not even top 4 in the B1G.

I don't agree, but that's fine.

 

[7Samurai13]

too bad no one will read this

He didn't even read it.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Surprised to see Harbaugh that low. Guy's supposed to be a top coach for a top program.

Top program???

 

[Rolltide94]

I don't agree, but that's fine.

Or here's a novel idea....

you could present some facts that support your opinion.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Or here's a novel idea....

you could present some facts that support your opinion.

Would that help change your opinion? I don't think anything I say will persuade you.

 

[Rolltide94]

Would that help change your opinion? I don't think anything I say will persuade you.

Facts are facts, if you've got some comparative facts that support Michigan as "one of the best defenses" in college that isn't a function of the shit offenses you have faced, I am all ears. But when Rutgers holds the same opponent to fewer points you can understand how I am going to be skeptical.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Facts are facts, if you've got some comparative facts that support Michigan as "one of the best defenses" in college that isn't a function of the shit offenses you have faced, I am all ears. But when Rutgers holds the same opponent to fewer points you can understand how I am going to be skeptical.

Check out our defensive stats. Most are top 10. No matter what teams you're playing, that's typically indicative that you're a really good defense.

 

[7Samurai13]

Michigan is 1-17 in their last 18 games as an underdog.
No I don't know which game they won.

 

[Rolltide94]

Check out our defensive stats. Most are top 10. No matter what teams you're playing, that's typically indicative that you're a really good defense.

Yup, and with Rutgers, Minnesota and Maryland up next on the docket, chances are you will stay there....at least until you finish the season against Wisconsin and tOSU.

UCF is leading the country in damn near every offensive category...do you think they have the best offense in the country? I couldn't even name one of their players.

So far, the only team that is on your schedule that somebody else hasn't held to less yards & points this year is Cincinnati. Who has played Austin Peay, Miami(OH) and 5 AAC opponents. Do you really want to hang your hat on that? Because I will go out on a limb here and say you would probably be the best defense in the AAC...but I'm pretty sure if you were playing Navy, USF and UCF in the next 3 weeks like Cincinnati did, instead of Minnesota, Maryland and Rutgers your defensive stats would go down, not up.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Michigan is 1-17 in their last 18 games as an underdog.
No I don't know which game they won.

 

[outofyourmind]

Hard to understand Michigan fans and the way they think.

 

[Red_Alert]

Check out our defensive stats. Most are top 10. No matter what teams you're playing, that's typically indicative that you're a really good defense.

LOL No.

To make your statement accurate, you'd have to take an identical look at the offensive stats of the opponents you played.

Total Offense and Scoring Offense
Florida - 102 and 95
Cincy - 109 and 110
Purdue - 79 and 94
Mich St - 89 and 102
Indiana - 94 and 88

Those are what makes paper tiger defenses.

Penn St (27 and 16) was your first opponent that has an offense with a pulse.

In the poll taken "Who Wins, Mich or Penn St"
51 had Penn St. Just 8 had Michigan
33 of those who had Penn St had them by more than10 points.

How do you figure they came to that conclusion before they voted?

 

[7Samurai13]

LOL No.

To make your statement accurate, you'd have to take an identical look at the offensive stats of the opponents you played.

Total Offense and Scoring Offense
Florida - 102 and 95
Cincy - 109 and 110
Purdue - 79 and 94
Mich St - 89 and 102
Indiana - 94 and 88

Those are what makes paper tiger defenses.

Penn St (27 and 16) was your first opponent that has an offense with a pulse.

In the poll taken "Who Wins, Mich or Penn St"
51 had Penn St. Just 8 had Michigan
33 of those who had Penn St had them by more than10 points.

How do you figure they came to that conclusion before they voted?
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89 and 102?

 

[Red_Alert]

89 and 102?

Too bad you don't play Nebraska every week. They could fix those numbers right up for ya.

 

[7Samurai13]

Too bad you don't play Nebraska every week. They could fix those numbers right up for ya.

Even one week might help but we have to wait until the last week for Rutgers. But it's only going to get worse with Penn State next week and Ohio State the week after that.