ARGUE HERE!!!!

[Rocky]

both big factors in establishing a "pipeline" IMO.

HUH?

Those are factors that every single kid weighs, not just Bayside ballers.

 

[ImAHokie]

3 of the last 4 to a school and the 5th next year likely will go as well. Look at the timeline of those recruits. EJ Manuel was there during the Groh years. Look where those kids started going after London got hired.

And if you don't believe these coaches don't influence just watch what happens at Hampton if David Watford transfers. You can see this one coming from a mile away.

 

[Rocky]

OK, Im going to shut up.

When you guys are 66, and have put around 100 players into D1 schools on scholarship as I have, you'll know of what I speak.

Damn, that sounded like Steven A right there.

 

[ImAHokie]

When I'm 66 I'm hoping I won't be making such a post.

 

[Rocky]

Also, didn't VT have more than 5 players sign in the NFL this year? Three were drafted, and several others are signed to teams, though I don't have an exact count.

Three drafted

Boykin, Brooks, Whitley, De Christopher, and Hill signed Free Agent contracts.

Two others had tryouts and are not rostered.

So, eight are on the NINETY man off season roster.

Thats a far cry from making the 53 man roster, and the 45 man "dressed to play" team.

The likelihood that three of the non drafted make a 53 man roster is not that great (after 37 more cuts), but I do think that Whitley, Brooks, and De C have great chances, and Boykin can never be counted out.

That would put us between 3-7, which is why I stated 5 or so.

Don't miss my point here. The majority of players will be doing something other than football, and if one or two more make it, that really doesnt change that outcome.

 

[Rocky]

When I'm 66 I'm hoping I won't be making such a post.

lol

We are talking about putting players on scholarships to D1 schools.

I have a big check in that box.

When you do, let me know.

Meanwhile, ESAD

 

[HokieGhost]

TAE, are you telling me that three recruits makes a pipeline?

So, you have discounted any possibility that Nicholson was friends with Coley? And Cooper was friends with both Nicholson and Coley?

Do you project any of those three to the pros? Could it be that they simply would be lots prouder of a UVA diploma over a VT diploma? Because, that might be the only remnant of their college careers. Certainly, that southern Ivy diploma opens lots more doors over the course of a lifetime.

Interesting response.

All I did was post factual information about where Bayside's recruits have gone over the last several years, and how long their current head coach has been at Bayside. It's up to the reader like yourself to interpret the data anyway they want.

Just for fun, I'll respond to a few of your initial comments.

* Yes, three players signing with the same school over a three year period seems to establish a trend. Doesn't matter if they loved each other or hated each other...they did have the same coach who they probably relied on for advice along with their parents.

* Yes, Nicholson will play at the next level, and possibly Coley. Coley was one of UVA's best defensive players last year. Cooper hasn't gotten there yet, so I can't really comment about him.

* As a long-time HR professional and technical recruiter, I can tell you that Tech grads do better financially than UVA grads over the long haul.

One more point...my Dad was a high school football coach for 55 years and developed excellent relationships with every college coach who came calling on his players. I know for a fact that he discouraged his players from going to certain schools because of they way they treated their players. I also know that he encouraged his players to go to other schools about which he thought highly. He was no different from any of his coaching peers...they all had their preferences.

 

[hunzworth]

HUH?

Those are factors that every single kid weighs, not just Bayside ballers.

Right! What you are describing is a pipeline, for some reason you are just reluctant to call it that.

When HS(a) sends a kid to College(b) in the 2013 class College(b) now has an improved shot at HS(a)'s 2014 prospects because of their relationship with a former teammate and the relationship both coaching staffs have with one another. When this is compounded by having several former teammates on the roster of College(b), id start to consider HS(a) a pipeline. Add in the fact that the head coach of HS(a) has a friendly relationship with the HC @ college(b) and you have what i would call a major pipeline.

It would be like if you were looking for a country club and all your friends were members at one certain club and they really wanted you to join. Its not like they can "force" you but they can put the pressure on. Besides if you are a 17yo kid do you want to play college ball with your friends, former teammates, and for a coach your HC seems to admire or go play with guys you dont know, a coach that your coach dislikes, and then feel like you let your "people" down?

Im honestly surprised in all your years of coaching you havnt seen this?

 

[VT_Football_Fan]

 

[Rocky]

Right! What you are describing is a pipeline, for some reason you are just reluctant to call it that.

When HS(a) sends a kid to College(b) in the 2013 class College(b) now has an improved shot at HS(a)'s 2014 prospects because of their relationship with a former teammate and the relationship both coaching staffs have with one another. When this is compounded by having several former teammates on the roster of College(b), id start to consider HS(a) a pipeline. Add in the fact that the head coach of HS(a) has a friendly relationship with the HC @ college(b) and you have what i would call a major pipeline.

It would be like if you were looking for a country club and all your friends were members at one certain club and they really wanted you to join. Its not like they can "force" you but they can put the pressure on. Besides if you are a 17yo kid do you want to play college ball with your friends, former teammates, and for a coach your HC seems to admire or go play with guys you dont know, a coach that your coach dislikes, and then feel like you let your "people" down?

Im honestly surprised in all your years of coaching you havnt seen this?

Thanks for the polite tone hunz. Yes, I have seen exactly that, and nothing has really changed since I retired.

Your opening sentence is enlightening me to think that we are really discussing semantics here.

A working pipeline (Im an engineer by degree and trade) requires exactly some of the things that you talk about above, force and pressure. Many here have implied in no uncertain terms that the HS coach, and London are applying pressure on the players. That may indeed be a fact. I just dont attribute that (even if it is a fact) as being the reason why they choose UVA.

The reasons you provided above are exactly the reasons that I see players using to make a selection. Its all part of their lifes experiences, their wants, desires, etc. Parents input is far more influencing than anything a HS coach has to say.

Their choice is not a forced decision, or a decision made under pressure, which a pipeline connotes to me. Rather its a decision based upon the gamut of lifes experiences.

I do seem to be one of the few here that gives a recruit the credit for being able to see through all that crap.

I hesitate to say most, but many players hate their HS coaches, and actually see them as holding them back or screwing them, due to position, playing time, system, and a myriad of other things, including the fact that many coaches are indeed egomaniacal assholes.

One of the very best things that a coach can be is motivational. Another is encouraging. I never had to tell a player that a certain school might not be right for them. They already knew. I never pushed anyone to a certain place, but I have pointed out academic strengths of schools, and strongly encouraged players to go to the better academic school, everything else being equal. My input really made zero impact on their decisions. Maybe thats my real message here, that coaches really dont have much sway, other than they are in the middle of the information process, due to some really dumb NCAA rules and regs regarding contact.

 

[VT_Football_Fan]

JESUS H CHRIST. Someone refill this mans Viagra so he can rub one out and chill the f out.

 

[TagAndBrag]

Someone refill this mans Viagra so he can rub one out and chill the f out.

 

[Special J]

Dang, another board cop. DUH.

I responded to this here, because it was originally posted here.

Thanks for the unnecessary bitch slap.

not at all....I just know how quickly these boards can get off topic. That was not me being a dick as much as it was just saying something so we don't blow up the 2014 board with 2013 shit.

 

[Sleepy T]

I dunno. To think that HS coaches (especially in Football and Basketball) don't have any influence over where their kids go..that's being naive IMO. While I respect the fact that you were a HS soccer coach for many years Rocky..I am surprised that you are kinda dodging this fact. They don't always go where the coach says to go..but they will certainly listen. You even said yourself that you "recommended" certain schools over others to your kids. Bayside is to UVA as some schools are to VT. Some of the Florida schools, notably Atlantic, and even some schools in Virginia, (Brookville (LT, ZM)), Hampton (TT, DN, MW) South County, Robinson in the past.. and others have strong relationships with the VT coaching staff. I am sure this is the same all over the country. Now as far as Bayside goes..I wouldn't say it is a UVA pipeline yet (as you have stated), but I agree with TAE that it is a trend and if things continue (Blanding and others in the near future) it COULD become a UVA pipeline. BUt UVA is going to have to start winning first..or these kids will start to realize that ML is all talk..

A few more years and it won't matter..We will beat the shit outta London 3-4 more times, he will get shitcanned and UVA will be back in the gutter again. They still have not shown many anything offensively in years..until they do, they will always be 2nd in this state...

 

[Rocky]

JESUS H CHRIST. Someone refill this mans Viagra so he can rub one out and chill the f out.

I'm long and strong, no pills required.

Someone rerill this mans prep H filled, so we don't have to hear about his bloody asshole, for Christs sake.

 

[Rocky]

not at all....I just know how quickly these boards can get off topic. That was not me being a dick as much as it was just saying something so we don't blow up the 2014 board with 2013 shit.

You do realize that I was responding to our moderator, right?

If you really have an issue here, take it up with him.

 

[Sleepy T]

I'm long and strong, no pills required.

Someone rerill this mans prep H filled, so we don't have to hear about his bloody asshole, for Christs sake.

Hahaha. C'mon Rocky..throw in a .gif for good measure. VTFF deserves it...

I applaud your sense of humor! Some people would take major offense to that.

 

[hunzworth]

not at all....I just know how quickly these boards can get off topic. That was not me being a dick as much as it was just saying something so we don't blow up the 2014 board with 2013 shit.

NO WAY! its not like we've used the last 2 pages discussing each and every one of our definitions of a pipeline.

 

[VT_Football_Fan]

I'm long and strong, no pills required.

Someone rerill this mans prep H filled, so we don't have to hear about his bloody asshole, for Christs sake.

 

[hokiegrad]

I do seem to be one of the few here that gives a recruit the credit for being able to see through all that crap.

I don't think you're giving the guys here enough credit. As you said, there are semantics at play here. Take a poll, and I'm sure you'll find that we all think players can see through crap. Nobody is saying they can't. Nobody is saying THE reason a Bayside player chooses UVA is because of their coach. We are saying it appears to be A reason. Not that nobody from Bayside will ever come to VT, but that the factors there with that coach AND the fact that many former players who these guys looked up to or are friends with make VT a tougher sell than it is other places.

Back to discussing 2014 recruiting targets?