2 of 3 against our arch enemy won't be bad....Yanks....6/23-25

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

last night is a perfect example of why i don't want them to be buyers.

 

[donaldson79]

Noon game today fellas.

Although I'm not crazy about the game time, I'll take it over those west coast night games any day.

 

[saddles]

last night is a perfect example of why i don't want them to be buyers.

To me we need to not only not be buyers, we need to be sellers.

 

[DT LUNA]

To me we need to not only not be buyers, we need to be sellers.

After Darvish you'll get garage sale prices.

 

[jta4437]

To me we need to not only not be buyers, we need to be sellers.

Right now, Darvish is probably the only thing worth selling that people would actually want to buy, at least in terms of what we would get back

Choo - No one is buying that contract for anything worthwhile
Andrus - Iffy, does his contract impede the return, and not make it worthwhile?
Lucroy - Tough pill to swallow after what we gave up
Beltre - would probably bring a decent return to a team that needed a 3B for the stretch run
Napoli - No one is buying
Hamels - Needs to get healthy and pitching well first
Gomez - playing well, might actually bring a decent return from someone needing a CF
Odor - Needs to start hitting

So Darvish, Beltre and Gomez, Chirinos as is, could fetch something worthwhile

Waiting to see - Lucroy, Hamels, Odor need to start playing better/get healthy, Bush maybe, but I know there are many teams that won't have anything to do with him

Contract restricted - Choo & Andrus, hard to say with those contracts

Nope - Napoli contract and play suck, Perez, Cashner

Shouldn't trade - Profar, Gallo, Maz

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Shouldn't trade - Profar, Gallo, Maz

I'd cut bait on Profar so fast...

 

[jta4437]

Scheppers has pitched well, maybe him

Would like to hold onto Claudio, won't fetch much anyway and he's just seems to be a nice do it all hit in the bullpen,

Keep - Kela

 

[jta4437]

I'd cut bait on Profar so fast...

Well if the point is trading for the purpose of being things back then he doesn't make sense, especially if you try and move Andrus

So in terms of selling to acquire assets no, but buying assets yes, moreso

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

six strikeouts through two innings!

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Well if the point is trading for the purpose of being things back then he doesn't make sense, especially if you try and move Andrus

That's confusing, why would you say we shouldn't trade him then... obviously you think he has some value, and if he has value, he'd bring something back.

 

[jta4437]

That's confusing, why would you say we shouldn't trade him then... obviously you think he has some value, and if he has value, he'd bring something back.

So in terms of selling to acquire younger assets no, but buying established assets yes

 

[Nightcrawler]

Right now, Darvish is probably the only thing worth selling that people would actually want to buy, at least in terms of what we would get back

Choo - No one is buying that contract for anything worthwhile
Andrus - Iffy, does his contract impede the return, and not make it worthwhile?
Lucroy - Tough pill to swallow after what we gave up
Beltre - would probably bring a decent return to a team that needed a 3B for the stretch run
Napoli - No one is buying
Hamels - Needs to get healthy and pitching well first
Gomez - playing well, might actually bring a decent return from someone needing a CF
Odor - Needs to start hitting

So Darvish, Beltre and Gomez, Chirinos as is, could fetch something worthwhile

Waiting to see - Lucroy, Hamels, Odor need to start playing better/get healthy, Bush maybe, but I know there are many teams that won't have anything to do with him

Contract restricted - Choo & Andrus, hard to say with those contracts

Nope - Napoli contract and play suck, Perez, Cashner

Shouldn't trade - Profar, Gallo, Maz

I disagree on Lucroy. Teams don't think he sucks now after just one bad year with the Rangers. Less than a year ago, he was regarded as one of the best catchers in the game. He was selected to catch for the WBC team. We can and should get something good for him. I think his track record trumps his performance this year.

 

[donaldson79]

I'd cut bait on Profar so fast...

My only problem with this is, he won't bring squat back. IMO we'd be better off keeping him at AAA and hope he shows some serious rebound and get his value up.

 

[jta4437]

I disagree on Lucroy. Teams don't think he sucks now after just one bad year with the Rangers. Less than a year ago, he was regarded as one of the best catchers in the game. He was selected to catch for the WBC team. We can and should get something good for him. I think his track record trumps his performance this year.

It still affects what we get back for him, and his performance has scuffled 2 of the last 3 years scraggly, which is why he wasn't traded 2 years ago

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

My only problem with this is, he won't bring squat back. IMO we'd be better off keeping him at AAA and hope he shows some serious rebound and get his value up.

I guess that's my thinking... I don't have any hope he's going to rebound.

 

[jta4437]

I guess that's my thinking... I don't have any hope he's going to rebound.

Profar doesn't bring prospects in return if we're sellers

Andrus does (amount is restricted by his contract she how much we pay) BUT you need a SS if you do and that's probably Profar anyway depending on whether you get a ML ready SS in one of your deals (not a guarantee) and Profar is about the closest thing we got right now

If we're sellers then we're going to suck, might as well use that time to properly evaluate Profar, finally

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Profar doesn't bring prospects in return if we're sellers

I don't know that to be the case. JD has done more with less.

EDIT: obviously Profar won't bring multiple prospects. But I bet he could be flipped for one solid pitching prospect.

 

[jta4437]

I don't know that to be the case. JD has done more with less.

Who's going to give up good prospects for a struggling, older prospect?

Now that doesn't make sense

 

[jta4437]

I don't know that to be the case. JD has done more with less.

EDIT: obviously Profar won't bring multiple prospects. But I bet he could be flipped for one solid pitching prospect.

Still don't see it

 

[BULLPEN FAILURE]

Who's going to give up good prospects for a struggling, older prospect?

Now that doesn't make sense

What I'm saying is that if there's a deal to be made, if JD finds a taker, I would do the deal if I'm him. If there's not a taker, I understand that too.