2018 draft thread

Stymietee said:

Who's my buddy? I'm not the person who just can't seem to break free of that past then systematically make references to the same as often as possible. Talk about butthurt!!

BTW#1..Agreed exactly the lesson that I've been emphasizing for years here and everywhere I find myself. I think that Sharks mantra is, and has been, everyone that Snyder wants is a Griffin or Griffin clone. Maybe he believes that they haven't learned from history and it appears that those still wanting to apply the old "sink or swim" method to current QB's coming out of schools, have also not learned that lesson.

In that regard he's right, having not learned the lesson that was Griffin...sink or swim, are doomed to repeat it.

BTW#2 did you forget what YOU wrote? refresher....."in Washington"
Based on your premise, my facts are accurate, your and a couple of others retelling of them are flawed.

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I will simply point out a few things in this line of thinking.

1. As bad as it is, Griffin is the most successful QB in the Snyder era behind Cousins.
2. Cousins while a better QB, does not check off a few of the needs Dan apparently has when it comes to players. Namely the wow factor and curb appeal.

3. While I think Dan would be thrilled if we got some one like Darnold or Rosen who actually do have said mentioned curb appeal. I dont think either will be viable options short of a massive trade up.

4. I think Dan is quite aware of how the fan base took to Griffin. Hence the references to Jackson, Bridgewater, and Tyrod Taylor I have seen both here and on other sites. So I do think he will want a QB capable of bringing that wow factor that this particular fan base seemed so enamored with.

5. Sink or swim is the new world order in the NFL, especially from the I just drafted you in the first round to play QB world we live in. Its not the 1970's where you can afford to draft a guy and have him sit until you need him. Rosters are smaller, and free agency put an end to that. Rogers, Grap and to a degree McCarron are exceptions to the rule. So unless Colt McCoy has some how become a stud QB, whom ever we draft at BEST case scenario will get one year to play sit and learn. Reality is, if McCoy starts the season, and we start out 0-4 the rookie is going in. And thats assuming the Rookie isnt the day one starter.

6. For those that want to reference Wentz and Goff as rookie success stories... they are in fact just that. But everyone seems to forget, the Rams and Eagles traded UP for these guys. And had either or both failed, both teams would be in consideration for the RG3 trade award.

Sportster 72 said:

Ah, I see you are using the in Washington as the key. Still wrong, he got traded for Sonny, so he couldn't have been a bust ... in Washington or Philly. Griffin = a negative 3 players (4 if you count Griffin himself); Snead = Sonny Jurgensen. I stand by what I said. No matter what caveat you want to put on it.

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Conflate much?? Bust has everything to do with play on the field and nothing to do with return on player transaction.

Now I'm concerned, are you alright man? Everything good? Hit me with a PM if need be.

Stymietee said:

Conflate much?? Bust has everything to do with play on the field and nothing to do with return on player transaction.

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So wait.. now actual cost and collateral damage dont factor into the bust equation?

shark you know Sty moves the goal posts when his points are proved wrong.

Sharkinva said:

So wait.. now actual cost and collateral damage dont factor into the bust equation?

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Now you're using the "I forgot" method. Remember my original question? It had everything to do with the on field "football player" and nothing to do with collateral damage.

Sportster 72 said:

shark you know Sty moves the goal posts when his points are proved wrong.

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It those very rare instances I man up. Unlike some who pick and choose certain words out of context to make a point that was never entered into the conversation.

Sportster 72 said:

How coachable was Griffin? We gave up half a team for him.

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It is actually funny. skinz had a post saying aren't all NFL QBs coached to learn and I answered above. Apparently I struck a nerve with someone. This thing went from a simple statement to HOLY SHIT in no time.

Oddly someone was laughing their ass off when they were trying to get the goat of the shark. Turn about must not be fair play.

Stymietee said:

It those very rare instances I man up. Unlike some who pick and choose certain words out of context to make a point that was never entered into the conversation.

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I'll give you the man up statement and you know I ain't afraid of no ghosts either. I just don't use all the drama that some do. We can go man up if you want but we better have 30 second rounds with 5 minutes in between.

Stymietee said:

Now you're using the "I forgot" method. Remember my original question? It had everything to do with the on field "football player" and nothing to do with collateral damage.

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Well hell you cam massage the situation to meet almost any criteria to support a point.

But when factoring bust vs success factor.

Total cost, collateral damage and over all outcome have to be factored in.

We gave up 4 high draft picks for what should have been our long term QB. We got one good year, two bad years, one year of people wishing he was still the starter. And added the last two years of dude is gone and we still cant agree to commit to his replacement. Now thats what I call a bust with some serious collateral damage.

Sharkinva said:

Well hell you cam massage the situation to meet almost any criteria to support a point.

But when factoring bust vs success factor.

Total cost, collateral damage and over all outcome have to be factored in.

We gave up 4 high draft picks for what should have been our long term QB. We got one good year, two bad years, one year of people wishing he was still the starter. And added the last two years of dude is gone and we still cant agree to commit to his replacement. Now thats what I call a bust with some serious collateral damage.

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I agree with your first line except I would make it all inclusive.

Stymietee said:

While you make good points, let me disagree a bit in terms of developmental points.

This is Dan Snyder's organization, when as you write it started with " it started with his dad having to be the one AT PPRACTICE AND CAMP pitcing and throwing to him, not the staff." That is also where it should have ended. Remember there were supposed to be professionals running a professional organization. Well.....

It all comes down to who was in control from jump. BTW: Glad to know that you too are affiliated with military life. I wonder how things would have turned out for any of us (current and former military) had we come in and demanded that things were to be run our way, including....

1. Having our dads, or some significant male train us.
2. Dictating what we will and will not do, when orders are issued
3. Getting sick and attempting to return to duty without honest official clearance.
4. face no resistance in terms of refusing to do things the "right" way as professionals do.
5. Having no one in charge of implementing #4

But yeah, other than all of that, it was all on Griffin!

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I feel you. Lol. At the end of the day Griffen Effed himself out the league.

Jeremiah mock draft 1.0: Browns, Jets, Fins, Redskins take QB

interesting pick

SteelersPride said:

Jeremiah mock draft 1.0: Browns, Jets, Fins, Redskins take QB

interesting pick

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Its widely accepted that Washington has stepped on its own dick in regards to resigning Cousins. With combat boots filled with lead and cement no less.

That being the case, QB is going to be the in pick for the Skins. Mayfield fits because he is a Heisman winner and will bring the bling. Give it a month and when Mayfield is being mocked to the Broncos or some other team, Washington will be projected to take Jackson or some other QB.

Bottom line is, until such time as Cousins is not considered out of Washington, most mocks will have us taking a QB.

Report: Redskins like Oklahoma State QB Mason Rudolph

I like this guy, he’d probably go higher than I’d want though

HTTR08 said:

Report: Redskins like Oklahoma State QB Mason Rudolph

I like this guy, he’d probably go higher than I’d want though

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if we sign KC (even for a year ) then in round 3 he could be a pick that could help us in the future

skinsdad62 said:

if we sign KC (even for a year ) then in round 3 he could be a pick that could help us in the future

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Yes

Sorry...NO Confidence!!

Colt McCoy has been the backup for 4 years now, 3 of them as the only true backup to Cousins. He is a testament to the ineptness of our front office.

It's one thing to screw up the Cousins situation, and another to not properly plan for the future with or without him. Think about that for a moment, had they thought to draft a legitimate QB prospect (and they passed up quite a number of them) that guy would have put them in a much better position than the one that they currently find themselves.

Stymietee said:

Sports NBC Sports: ProFootballTalk



Ranking QB Kirk Cousins' best options in NFL free agency
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Stymietee said:

Sorry...NO Confidence!!

Colt McCoy has been the backup for 4 years now, 3 of them as the only true backup to Cousins. He is a testament to the ineptness of our front office.

It's one thing to screw up the Cousins situation, and another to not properly plan for the future with or without him. Think about that for a moment, had they thought to draft a legitimate QB prospect (and they passed up quite a number of them) that guy would have put them in a much better position than the one that they currently find themselves.

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So here is the question then Sty. I remember from before and today I saw an article or two where SM said "Cousin's is not the guy." If he felt that shouldn't he have drafted the guy as you suggest and since his only draft pick that I remember was Sudfeld did he think he was the guy? So many people give SM so much credit and I just don't see it.

To switch gears I think Cousin's is the guy and not only should have been signed to LTD two years ago but he should be hear for another 6 or 7 years (until age 36.) And taking a shot at Sudfeld would have been okay if that was the philosophy.

Interesting ways to look at things from different angles.

Sportster 72 said:

So here is the question then Sty. I remember from before and today I saw an article or two where SM said "Cousin's is not the guy." If he felt that shouldn't he have drafted the guy as you suggest and since his only draft pick that I remember was Sudfeld did he think he was the guy? So many people give SM so much credit and I just don't see it.

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Any chance Scot is playing a little cat and mouse here seeing as how the FO stiffed him on two years of salary and tried to ruin his career to boot with the whole rampantly drunk on the job allegations?? And by this I mean, sure we all know Cousins is not elite. But aside from tryin to poison the well against the Redskins signing him long term, why would Scot need to make a point of throwing out the Kirk is not special message?? Nothing makes SMGM look good at this point like Bruce possibly being Bruce.

Stymietee said:

Sports NBC Sports: ProFootballTalk



Ranking QB Kirk Cousins' best options in NFL free agency
Sporting News

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Sharkinva said:

Any chance Scot is playing a little cat and mouse here seeing as how the FO stiffed him on two years of salary and tried to ruin his career to boot with the whole rampantly drunk on the job allegations?? And by this I mean, sure we all know Cousins is not elite. But aside from tryin to poison the well against the Redskins signing him long term, why would Scot need to make a point of throwing out the Kirk is not special message?? Nothing makes SMGM look good at this point like Bruce possibly being Bruce.

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That is not my belief. Scot wasn't that complimentary when he was here after Cousin's first year. Back that he said he wanted to keep but at the right price which was the beginning of the whole debacle. Remember Cousin's rubbing Scots head while hollering ... "how do you like me now."

I know a lot of people were sad to see Scot go but not so much for me. I know his track record is good but I think he was a C+ or B- here.