2018 draft thread

[skinsdad62]

I watched some of those games, Look up the term suck assed D.C QB's , and this is what you'll find.

Suck assed D.C. QB's.....Disambiguate.....

VERB

1. remove uncertainty of meaning from (an ambiguous sentence, phrase, or other linguistic unit).
2. See: Norm Snead

suck ass qbs dont play 15 years or pass for 30,000 yards . and we KNOW his teams were horrible with almost no talent on them

 

[Stymietee]

And to think he had military parents.

Exactly!! the grounding was there, Washington failed this kid far more than he ruined himself. At least he can rely on ignorance to the ways of professional football. What's their excuse?

 

[skinsdad62]

Exactly!! the grounding was there, Washington failed this kid far more than he ruined himself. At least he can rely on ignorance to the ways of professional football. What's their excuse?

maybe his parents lesson's didnt take , maybe he became an entitled person at baylor ? fact is his flaws were flaws in his character . not studying is a character flaw , fear is another , not taking coaching is another . being a entitled is another

 

[Sharkinva]

these words were important in that response "football player"

I'll freely admit that Griffin play a role in his own demise, however, Griffin failed because there wasn't a professionally run organization in place to hone, manage, and develop his skillset into something that resembled the way professional QB's handle themselves on and off of the field.

Again a Sharkism:

Imagine you going into the military and doing the same sort of things. How long would you last in that environment with the talents that you brought into it?

Again you are saying or at least hinting that his own role in this was secondary. Did the front office enable him?? Sure they did. But at what point was HE responsible for figuring out, this isnt working so let me make changes that do in fact work?? Basically he got everything he thought he wanted (New coach, a fan base and owner that loved him without question), and when it failed instead of asking why, he pointed fingers at everyone but himself.

One of Cousins qualities that make me a believer is... when the team wins for the most part he makes it about the TEAM. If the team loses, he is the first to say.. .I need to do better even if he actually had a good game.

One of Griffins smartest catch phrases was Know your why. Thing is, I dont think he ever figured out his why, even to this day.

 

[Stymietee]

fran tarkenton was a 3rd round pick . the NFL passed on him twice , pretty much monday am qbing there

You're not going to win this one as I was a live witness to those events. In fact Mike Richman a team historian writes about those times:

"First-year Redskins coach Bill McPeak had high hopes for Snead when he was drafted with the No. 2 pick in 1961, the same spot that the Redskins took Robert Griffin III this year. McPeak felt that the 6-4, 215-pound Snead had the size and talent to excel after throwing for more than 4,000 yards at Wake Forest, and he reportedly talked Redskins owner George Preston Marshall out of selecting Georgia All-American quarterback Fran Tarkenton, a current Hall of Famer."

“The boy’s intelligent and has ideal temperament for the quarterback position,” McPeak said of Snead in The Washington Post. “Can he throw long? He can throw the ball a mile.”

 

[Stymietee]

maybe his parents lesson's didnt take , maybe he became an entitled person at baylor ? fact is his flaws were flaws in his character . not studying is a character flaw , fear is another , not taking coaching is another . being a entitled is another

....And I guess coming into an organization without any semblance of structure further enabled those flaws huh?

 

[Stymietee]

Again you are saying or at least hinting that his own role in this was secondary. Did the front office enable him?? Sure they did. But at what point was HE responsible for figuring out, this isnt working so let me make changes that do in fact work?? Basically he got everything he thought he wanted (New coach, a fan base and owner that loved him without question), and when it failed instead of asking why, he pointed fingers at everyone but himself.

One of Cousins qualities that make me a believer is... when the team wins for the most part he makes it about the TEAM. If the team loses, he is the first to say.. .I need to do better even if he actually had a good game.

One of Griffins smartest catch phrases was Know your why. Thing is, I dont think he ever figured out his why, even to this day.

Refer back to the child analogy to answer this question. In professionally run organizations, you do as is required to flourish. What you do NOT do is dictate terms, gain favor, and magically KNOW that which you do not know.

 

[Sharkinva]

You're not going to win this one as I was a live witness to those events. In fact Mike Richman a team historian writes about those times:

"First-year Redskins coach Bill McPeak had high hopes for Snead when he was drafted with the No. 2 pick in 1961, the same spot that the Redskins took Robert Griffin III this year. McPeak felt that the 6-4, 215-pound Snead had the size and talent to excel after throwing for more than 4,000 yards at Wake Forest, and he reportedly talked Redskins owner George Preston Marshall out of selecting Georgia All-American quarterback Fran Tarkenton, a current Hall of Famer."

“The boy’s intelligent and has ideal temperament for the quarterback position,” McPeak said of Snead in The Washington Post. “Can he throw long? He can throw the ball a mile.”

Can i just point out the irony that you are actually defending Griffin as NOT being the biggest QB bust of this teams history of QB busts?? Yet I and a few others are heart broken over his failure?? Kinda like saying dog poop smells worse than elephant poop.... Both stink, one is just a larger pile.

 

[Sharkinva]

Refer back to the child analogy to answer this question. In professionally run organizations, you do as is required to flourish. What you do NOT do is dictate terms, gain favor, and magically KNOW that which you do not know.

Your child anology assumes a few things that were NOT actually present in the teams situation.

1. No one knew RG3 was such a self entitled little fart.
2. Not only did the dad encourage the behavior, but he punished any one who tried to correct the child
3. Even when they gave the child in question everything he wanted, they never really gave up on him so much as decided we cant afford to keep the child AND take care of the rest of the household. Besides which the Child is grown now and SHOULD be capable of knowing or learning right from wrong.

But other than that.. spot on hoss.

 

[Stymietee]

suck ass qbs dont play 15 years or pass for 30,000 yards . and we KNOW his teams were horrible with almost no talent on them

OK, give me the name of the last QB to win a game in history with a zero QB passer rating?

 

[skinsdad62]

15 year is less of a bust then 5 yrs . period

 

[skinsdad62]

2 of the 3 years he was in DC he was a pro bowl qb in an era where politics was non existent and no one knew about the Pro bowl so popularity contest is null and void

now i have seen the stats and they arent pretty but niether was the team and his peers apparently felt like he wasnt the issue

 

[Stymietee]

Can i just point out the irony that you are actually defending Griffin as NOT being the biggest QB bust of this teams history of QB busts?? Yet I and a few others are heart broken over his failure?? Kinda like saying dog poop smells worse than elephant poop.... Both stink, one is just a larger pile.

Sure, just as long as you know that I know that Snead was a bigger bust in our history and against that clearly unknown or forgotten historical fact you and a few others see a bigger bust in Griffin.

How do you like my Sharkisms? Well, here's another.

It's sort of like that thing that young people do as they suggest that nothing significant happened until they were born.

 

[Stymietee]

15 year is less of a bust then 5 yrs . period

all but two and a part of a third season was in D.C. for Snead. I get what you're attempting to do but @Sportster clearly indicated that time in Washington was the key. I'm sticking to that.

 

[Sportster 72]

Just to be clear, you didn't write this:

English lesson? We gave up way too much for way too little and he wasn't coachable. He did have something do with it. There were a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that we almost never talk about. Dan and Griffin were buddies.

And just for kicks, you didn't write this either;

Griffin probably isn't the greatest bust ever at QB but he certainly is worst one in Washington, followed by Heath Shuler.

What the hell are you talking about with all this butthurt BS, when you respond to me, let me assure you that I'm a very thorough reader. I understand what's written and in what context it's given. I know a dodge when I read one and anytime someone has a contrary opinion about this guy, it's buthurt time right. OK remember that when I tell, you and @Shark that you're both butthurt over Griffin because neither of you can't seem to let go of his memory. It's an old chick trick, to accuse someone of your issues.

No butt hurt for me Sty. Just speaking the truth and giving the facts. Sorry if I didn't speak kindly of your buddy. I am not mad at him, he sucked plain and simple and he tried to use his relationship with his good friend Dan to his advantage. In the end the truth came out. He was not an NFL caliber football player. Heath Shuler wasn't an NFL caliber QB and many others. He isn't the first and he isn't the last.

BTW Sty if you don't remember your history you are doomed to repeat it. I think that has been shark's mantra all along.

BTW part deaux - as was pointed out by me and another poster NFL Snead was not a bust. I think you might have your facts a little off there. Great, no. But he wasn't a bust.

 

[skinsdad62]

again 2 0f the 3 yrs he played here he made the pro bowl

 

[Stymietee]

Your child anology assumes a few things that were NOT actually present in the teams situation.

1. No one knew RG3 was such a self entitled little fart.
2. Not only did the dad encourage the behavior, but he punished any one who tried to correct the child
3. Even when they gave the child in question everything he wanted, they never really gave up on him so much as decided we cant afford to keep the child AND take care of the rest of the household. Besides which the Child is grown now and SHOULD be capable of knowing or learning right from wrong.

But other than that.. spot on hoss.

I'll give you all of that, but doesn't the question still remain...what did this supposedly professionally run organization do to counter everything that you listed. If the answer is nothing, and it is, then there is your fault line.

I want to say a thing or two more about #3

Giving a child everything that he/she want is anathema to good child rearing. Giving up on a child/person takes many forms, one of them happens to be spoiling the same to the point where the choice becomes keeping said child or maintaining the household. Parental responsibility is a very real thing because it assures that coming into adulthood, they have taught this now grown human being the differences between right and wrong. Specifically to your point..."Besides which the Child is grown now and SHOULD be capable of knowing or learning right from wrong." Learning right from wrong at this point in life comes from extrinsic influences, however if he/she know by this time, someone or something taught those lessons.

 

[Stymietee]

No butt hurt for me Sty. Just speaking the truth and giving the facts. Sorry if I didn't speak kindly of your buddy. I am not mad at him, he sucked plain and simple and he tried to use his relationship with his good friend Dan to his advantage. In the end the truth came out. He was not an NFL caliber football player. Heath Shuler wasn't an NFL caliber QB and many others. He isn't the first and he isn't the last.

BTW Sty if you don't remember your history you are doomed to repeat it. I think that has been shark's mantra all along.

BTW part deaux - as was pointed out by me and another poster NFL Snead was not a bust. I think you might have your facts a little off there. Great, no. But he wasn't a bust.

Who's my buddy? I'm not the person who just can't seem to break free of that past then systematically make references to the same as often as possible. Talk about butthurt!!

BTW#1..Agreed exactly the lesson that I've been emphasizing for years here and everywhere I find myself. I think that Sharks mantra is, and has been, everyone that Snyder wants is a Griffin or Griffin clone. Maybe he believes that they haven't learned from history and it appears that those still wanting to apply the old "sink or swim" method to current QB's coming out of schools, have also not learned that lesson.

In that regard he's right, having not learned the lesson that was Griffin...sink or swim, are doomed to repeat it.

BTW#2 did you forget what YOU wrote? refresher....."in Washington"
Based on your premise, my facts are accurate, your and a couple of others retelling of them are flawed.

 

[Sportster 72]

Sty I think there might have been parental training but the parents Mr. Shanahan and Mrs. Allen/Snyder were not supporting each other. We all know having a unified management team Owner through HC is important. Clearly the child didn't do anything thing to help himself either. Which might make you wonder what the f*ck kind of advise were his blood parents telling him. Bad read by all involved

Still doesn't change my mind that the guy was ever going to be a QB much like many other guys who can't make the transition. It isn't just Griffin, there is a whole crap load of them out there and there will be another crap load in this draft. Some will make it, many won't.

 

[Sportster 72]

Who's my buddy? I'm not the person who just can't seem to break free of that past then systematically make references to the same as often as possible. Talk about butthurt!!

BTW#1..Agreed exactly the lesson that I've been emphasizing for years here and everywhere I find myself. I think that Sharks mantra is, and has been, everyone that Snyder wants is a Griffin or Griffin clone. Maybe he believes that they haven't learned from history and it appears that those still wanting to apply the old "sink or swim" method to current QB's coming out of schools, have also not learned that lesson.

In that regard he's right, having not learned the lesson that was Griffin...sink or swim, are doomed to repeat it.

BTW#2 did you forget what YOU wrote? refresher....."in Washington"
my facts are accurate, your retelling of them are flawed.

Ah, I see you are using the in Washington as the key. Still wrong, he got traded for Sonny, so he couldn't have been a bust ... in Washington or Philly. Griffin = a negative 3 players (4 if you count Griffin himself); Snead = Sonny Jurgensen. I stand by what I said. No matter what caveat you want to put on it.