2018 draft thread

[Sharkinva]

So... In short Griffin was the innocent victim of that gutless worm Mike Shanahan. Thats all you had to say @Stymietee is it wasnt his fault. He was the victim, and if they had not mishandled him... why he would be the greatest QB Washington has ever seen by now.

 

[Stymietee]

Norm Snead netted Sonny Jurgensen, not even close.

The point, in fact YOUR point was who was a bigger bust.

 

[Stymietee]

It was hard to let go of 2012. It really was. Took me a while, but there is a small portion of the fanbase that still hasn't. It was fun, it was special, it was the last season I got to watch football with my late father. We really thought we had something.

RG refused to do what he was great at and insisted on doing the things he sucked at. I just hope Dan and Bruce have done what I had to do........let go.

There's a reason why he felt as if he was able to refuse doing things the way his coaches wanted him to. It had everything to do with the way he was handled, or rather anointed/coddled from jump.

 

[Stymietee]

Whoa, whoa, whoa .... I never said Griffin engineered the trade. Clearly your posts look like you are still butt hurt over what happened and as many assumed part of your reason for not liking Cousin's. You argument holds no water because Cousin's was able to use the same FO person into becoming a top QB in the NFL.

Just for the record shark and I predicted the trade up to get Griffin to be a mistake. It was the reason when I walked out of a restaurant in Occoquan and saw Cousin's was drafted I pumped my fist. I knew the Shanahan's were hedging the draft of Griffin. They were right.

Proof is in the pudding Sty whether you want to admit it or not. ​

Just to be clear, you didn't write this:

English lesson? We gave up way too much for way too little and he wasn't coachable. He did have something do with it. There were a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that we almost never talk about. Dan and Griffin were buddies.

And just for kicks, you didn't write this either;

Griffin probably isn't the greatest bust ever at QB but he certainly is worst one in Washington, followed by Heath Shuler.

What the hell are you talking about with all this butthurt BS, when you respond to me, let me assure you that I'm a very thorough reader. I understand what's written and in what context it's given. I know a dodge when I read one and anytime someone has a contrary opinion about this guy, it's buthurt time right. OK remember that when I tell, you and @Shark that you're both butthurt over Griffin because neither of you can't seem to let go of his memory. It's an old chick trick, to accuse someone of your issues.

 

[kbso83432]

There's a reason why he felt as if he was able to refuse doing things the way his coaches wanted him to. It had everything to do with the way he was handled, or rather anointed/coddled from jump.

This is true, but when your two time Super Bowl winning coach, the guy who got Elway his rings, tells you to be patient and we'll get you there, you should listen.

 

[Stymietee]

So... In short Griffin was the innocent victim of that gutless worm Mike Shanahan. Thats all you had to say @Stymietee is it wasnt his fault. He was the victim, and if they had not mishandled him... why he would be the greatest QB Washington has ever seen by now.

Clearly you are an absolutist who for whatever reason, use extremes or simply cannot/refuse to understand that there's more to life's stories that either/or to a POV. Griffin was NEVER an innocent victim and certainly played a role in his own demise. The key part being "played a role" He could not have done most of what he did without aid and comfort from the environment that fed his ability to do so. This is what you refuse to grasp. I think on purpose, because it doesn't serve your narrative.

 

[Stymietee]

This is true, but when your two time Super Bowl winning coach, the guy who got Elway his rings, tells you to be patient and we'll get you there, you should listen.

Ideally yes, however, and be honest with me, was that in fact the environment in which Griffin was drafted into?

That asked, when is it universally true that people do what they "should" do based on their circumstance?

To me words matter, when I read on this site things that people post regarding what this team, current or past players "Should" do I take that to mean what they hope they would or would have done and not what they turn out to ACTUALLY do. Big difference.

 

[Sharkinva]

Clearly you are an absolutist who for whatever reason, use extremes or simply cannot/refuse to understand that there's more to life's stories that either/or to a POV. Griffin was NEVER an innocent victim and certainly played a role in his own demise. The key part being "played a role" He could not have done most of what he did without aid and comfort from the environment that fed his ability to do so. This is what you refuse to grasp. I think on purpose, because it doesn't serve your narrative.

Fine, so take out the word innocent. You still can not paint him as the victim as he was the lead character in his demise.

You asked the question what is different between the Griffin we drafted and the guy now.

The guy we drafted never worked with a play book. The Guy we drafted was usually the fastest kid on the field.

Well at the NFL level they do have those pesky playbooks, and he isnt the fastest kid on the field any more. Griffin failed because he couldnt adapt. Now as he enabled in this, yes. Was he the victim in all this?? Hardly.

 

[kbso83432]

There is some truth in that @Stymietee. I was as big of a fan of RG3 as the next guy. I'm a military brat myself. I know the things that I should do, and to your point I didn't always do them. The wrap on RG coming out was no drama. Great family, no off the field issues. When he got here it started with his dad having to be the one AT PPRACTICE AND CAMP pitcing and throwing to him, not the staff.

Reportedly his dad was the one who put him up to walking into Mike's office and telling him the plays he wasn't going to run.

Forcing his way back onto the field before he was ready numerous times (Philly, Seattle, Minnesota) and then thowing the team under the bus when he didn't perform or got hurt again.

This is what pisses me off the most about Griffin. He could have been and should have been great. He had the wrong people in his ear and let the owner, this town, (me included) inflate his ego to the point where it ruined him and this team for the immediate future.

 

[Stymietee]

Fine, so take out the word innocent. You still can not paint him as the victim as he was the lead character in his demise.

You asked the question what is different between the Griffin we drafted and the guy now.

The guy we drafted never worked with a play book. The Guy we drafted was usually the fastest kid on the field.

Well at the NFL level they do have those pesky playbooks, and he isnt the fastest kid on the field any more. Griffin failed because he couldnt adapt. Now as he enabled in this, yes. Was he the victim in all this?? Hardly.

Not a victim either, I won't play this game because as we both know (I hope) nothing happens in a vacuum. I suggest that you take another look at where you place your ire. Since you like analogies, let's put this in a Sharkism.

A childless man decides to adopt, the child he selects is known to be unruly, self centered, spoiled to the point where egotism and a sense of self worth is out of control. The man himself also has these same traits, but sees potential in the kid to become someone special and as a result encourages his child to just continue doing whatever it is that got him/herself to that point. A few year later, the home environment has become unbearable to live in, disappointed in the way his child is not developing as he had hoped, the man gives up and the child is left at the doorsteps of relatives. Who's most responsible for that child not reaching his/her potential? (Right now you say it's all on the KId...,lead character)

 

[skinsdad62]

norm snead played 15 yrs in the NFL and passed for 30,000 yds . RG3 played 4 . you tell me who was the bigger bust ?

 

[Stymietee]

There is some truth in that @Stymietee. I was as big of a fan of RG3 as the next guy. I'm a military brat myself. I know the things that I should do, and to your point I didn't always do them. The wrap on RG coming out was no drama. Great family, no off the field issues. When he got here it started with his dad having to be the one AT PPRACTICE AND CAMP pitcing and throwing to him, not the staff.

Reportedly his dad was the one who put him up to walking into Mike's office and telling him the plays he wasn't going to run.

Forcing his way back onto the field before he was ready numerous times (Philly, Seattle, Minnesota) and then thowing the team under the bus when he didn't perform or got hurt again.

This is what pisses me off the most about Griffin. He could have been and should have been great. He had the wrong people in his ear and let the owner, this town, (me included) inflate his ego to the point where it ruined him and this team for the immediate future.

While you make good points, let me disagree a bit in terms of developmental points.

This is Dan Snyder's organization, when as you write it started with " it started with his dad having to be the one AT PPRACTICE AND CAMP pitcing and throwing to him, not the staff." That is also where it should have ended. Remember there were supposed to be professionals running a professional organization. Well.....

It all comes down to who was in control from jump. BTW: Glad to know that you too are affiliated with military life. I wonder how things would have turned out for any of us (current and former military) had we come in and demanded that things were to be run our way, including....

1. Having our dads, or some significant male train us.
2. Dictating what we will and will not do, when orders are issued
3. Getting sick and attempting to return to duty without honest official clearance.
4. face no resistance in terms of refusing to do things the "right" way as professionals do.
5. Having no one in charge of implementing #4

But yeah, other than all of that, it was all on Griffin!

 

[Stymietee]

norm snead played 15 yrs in the NFL and passed for 30,000 yds . RG3 played 4 . you tell me who was the bigger bust ?

Read much? this is what @Sportster was referring to:


"Griffin probably isn't the greatest bust ever at QB but he certainly is worst one in Washington."

Key words....In Washington.

 

[gkekoa]

You would never draft a mobile QB without the intention of using his mobility, if he was a project at passing the football. Why not just draft a superior passer of the ball that needs some refinement instead?

 

[skinsdad62]

Read much? this is what @Sportster was referring to:


"Griffin probably isn't the greatest bust ever at QB but he certainly is worst one in Washington."

Key words....In Washington.

come on sty, really ? the skins made a good choice in snead if they stuck with him as his 15 year career suggests . most of the time he was the stable qb on rebuilding teams . hard to call a guy a bust when you play 15 yrs . the truth is RG3 was a bad pick . he never learned to cut the ball loose even when he saw the openings .

 

[Stymietee]

Fine, so take out the word innocent. You still can not paint him as the victim as he was the lead character in his demise.

You asked the question what is different between the Griffin we drafted and the guy now.

The guy we drafted never worked with a play book. The Guy we drafted was usually the fastest kid on the field.

Well at the NFL level they do have those pesky playbooks, and he isnt the fastest kid on the field any more. Griffin failed because he couldnt adapt. Now as he enabled in this, yes. Was he the victim in all this?? Hardly.

these words were important in that response "football player"

I'll freely admit that Griffin play a role in his own demise, however, Griffin failed because there wasn't a professionally run organization in place to hone, manage, and develop his skillset into something that resembled the way professional QB's handle themselves on and off of the field.

Again a Sharkism:

Imagine you going into the military and doing the same sort of things. How long would you last in that environment with the talents that you brought into it?

 

[skinsdad62]

fran tarkenton was a 3rd round pick . the NFL passed on him twice , pretty much monday am qbing there

 

[skinz2winz]

these words were important in that response "football player"

I'll freely admit that Griffin play a role in his own demise, however, Griffin failed because there wasn't a professionally run organization in place to hone, manage, and develop his skillset into something that resembled the way professional QB's handle themselves on and off of the field.

Again a Sharkism:

Imagine you going into the military and doing the same sort of things. How long would you last in that environment with the talents that you brought into it?

And to think he had military parents.

 

[Stymietee]

come on sty, really ? the skins made a good choice in snead if they stuck with him as his 15 year career suggests . most of the time he was the stable qb on rebuilding teams . hard to call a guy a bust when you play 15 yrs . the truth is RG3 was a bad pick . he never learned to cut the ball loose even when he saw the openings .

I watched some of those games, Look up the term suck assed D.C QB's , and this is what you'll find.

Suck assed D.C. QB's.....Disambiguate.....

VERB

1. remove uncertainty of meaning from (an ambiguous sentence, phrase, or other linguistic unit).
2. See: Norm Snead

 

[skinsdad62]

i am of the opinion that the things RG3 could control , he didnt put in enough effort to take control of . film study was a huge issue he could have been better at . controlling his fear was another one . receiving coaching was another one

the staff designed an offense he could succeed in but he didnt want any part of it because his ego wouldnt allow it