Nos' 4th Annual NFL Mock Draft : CHAT

[Clayton]

In NFL Networks mock - Dameshek took him for Seattle. Since Wilson already overthrows Lockett too often - maybe he can run some of these passes down.

Does Seattle need another speed WR? They already have Paul Richardson, too

 

[blstoker]

Does Seattle need another speed WR? They already have Paul Richardson, too

No, I don't think so. I wasn't sure I liked or hated the pick. Personally, I would rather see LB, CB, DL, OL before WR. Kearse is likely gone after this season, Richardson is in his final year of his contract, and we'll just have to wait and see how Lockett returns from his injury. So, I can understand some leanings to Ross there....

 

[Clayton]

No, I don't think so. I wasn't sure I liked or hated the pick. Personally, I would rather see LB, CB, DL, OL before WR. Kearse is likely gone after this season, Richardson is in his final year of his contract, and we'll just have to wait and see how Lockett returns from his injury. So, I can understand some leanings to Ross there....

Kearse is pretty bad, IIRC. I think he is a running joke at footballoutsiders. I could see Seattle going with WR at some point in the draft. Its a super deep WR class.

 

[blstoker]

Kearse is pretty bad, IIRC. I think he is a running joke at footballoutsiders. I could see Seattle going with WR at some point in the draft. Its a super deep WR class.

It's why I took Kupp in the third. Even if last year was just a down year for Kearse and he returns to his 70% completion rate from 2015, his contract starts getting really expensive for his production starting in 2018.

 

[SJ76]

see, I hate the after the fact judgement... I know its how you gotta do it... But, for example lets say Myles Garrett is a bust... would you consider him the wrong choice and pick at number one??

Problem with football, is that a players success is so dependent on the team they play for that it is impossible to know what was a good or bad draft pick... and whether a team should have made that pick or not... Who knows, even the players who are seen to be successes, if the team took someone else maybe that player would have been better...

If you think Garrett is a bust, you could definitely go with the DPOY in Jonathan Allen from BAMA. Cleveland could take Fournette at #1 overall and come back with Allen at #12. You still get your DE.

Or you trade down and get more picks + get TACO and you still get your DE. Taco is a beast.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Predicting injuries is always a tricky business but if a WR does bust in the modern game, it seems like its almost always due to injuries. At least in the post Matt Millen era.

It just makes you wonder what he could do in the NFL if he gets to a team that has a QB with a strong enough arm to really push teams. He made USC look bad at the college level and likely practiced against the elite UW secondary. I'm pretty high on him as a prospect

His stats could have been a lot better, ( Browning shoulder injury cost them at times) Johnny is great kid, his outlook on life is incredible, he could've walked away after the second knee injury, but he rehabbed and made a huge contribution to UW's success last season. I knew he would come out early, he had too.
If my Eagles don't take Cook @14 like the should, then I hope he's the pick. I would love to see Carson throw the ball to him...

 

[Clayton]

If you think Garrett is a bust, you could definitely go with the DPOY in Jonathan Allen from BAMA. Cleveland could take Fournette at #1 overall and come back with Allen at #12. You still get your DE.

Or you trade down and get more picks + get TACO and you still get your DE. Taco is a beast.

I personally dont have an issue with what the Browns did. They got the top pass rusher, the opportunity to get the top QB prospect and a top 20 player in their first 3 picks. IMO, there is little to no chance that happens in the real draft.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

I personally dont have an issue with what the Browns did. They got the top pass rusher, the opportunity to get the top QB prospect and a top 20 player in their first 3 picks. IMO, there is little to no chance that happens in the real draft.

Even with all of those picks he still missed some needs. If they cover them all and with all those high picks they could have a blow out draft...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If you think Garrett is a bust, you could definitely go with the DPOY in Jonathan Allen from BAMA. Cleveland could take Fournette at #1 overall and come back with Allen at #12. You still get your DE.

Or you trade down and get more picks + get TACO and you still get your DE. Taco is a beast.

that was not what I am saying... my point was that he is the consensus number one pick, in fact most are saying you would be stupid not to take him first... BUT after the fact, we might find out that he is a bust, does that make the pick any worse??

think about it like a fantasy trade... If I traded David Johnson for Bilal Powell, you would all call me crazy and want to veto the deal(if you can veto)... But what if the next day David Johnson gets hurt and never plays again, did I now WIN that trade, even though at the time of making it it was an embarrassment of a trade??

 

[SJ76]

that was not what I am saying... my point was that he is the consensus number one pick, in fact most are saying you would be stupid not to take him first... BUT after the fact, we might find out that he is a bust, does that make the pick any worse??

think about it like a fantasy trade... If I traded David Johnson for Bilal Powell, you would all call me crazy and want to veto the deal(if you can veto)... But what if the next day David Johnson gets hurt and never plays again, did I now WIN that trade, even though at the time of making it it was an embarrassment of a trade??

If 97% of the NFL world think Garrett is a lock to be a stud and he's a bust, it's still the pick. If the Rams, Al Davis, or the Brown think he's a stud it's a different story.

This is my philosophy for #1 overall. Who's going to be the best player at their position and how good is that? If you ask me, for this draft.. It's Fournette. Do I take him if I have 1 first rounder? Probably not. If I have 2 first rounders and lots of other picks... Tempting

Garrett, Allen, and Taco are all going to be really good in the NFL.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Even with all of those picks he still missed some needs. If they cover them all and with all those high picks they could have a blow out draft...

Did he really though? I mean Cleveland has a ton of holes, he got two corners, and a pretty damn good safety.
Addressed LB's, and a RB that could be pretty damn good, ( if he doesn't fall out of love with football again)
Trading up for Adams, ( IMO is gonna be a stud) cost him a 3rd round pick this year.

 

[femurov]

Happy birthday @femurov !

And happy birthday to you, sir. Good luck tomorrow night.

 

[mcnabb7542]

that was not what I am saying... my point was that he is the consensus number one pick, in fact most are saying you would be stupid not to take him first... BUT after the fact, we might find out that he is a bust, does that make the pick any worse??

Nope! Cause I'm sure the teams also believe he could be the "real deal" then if you don't take him fans will be storming the gates... It's a tough racket... Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Nope! Cause I'm sure the teams also believe he could be the "real deal" then if you don't take him fans will be storming the gates... It's a tough racket... Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't!

Only the good franchises have the luxury of not needing to draft what the fans want them to... I mean, the Patriots could take whoever and their fans would just trust the front office... if the Jets or Browns picked anyone, their front office has failed them so often, that you don't really give them the benefit of the doubt..

 

[SJ76]

And happy birthday to you, sir. Good luck tomorrow night.

 

[femurov]

Thanks, buddy.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Only the good franchises have the luxury of not needing to draft what the fans want them to... I mean, the Patriots could take whoever and their fans would just trust the front office... if the Jets or Browns picked anyone, their front office has failed them so often, that you don't really give them the benefit of the doubt..

Exactly the Pats can take the best person on the board at the time of the pick, don't reach, don't target a certain position, just take the best athlete...

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Even with all of those picks he still missed some needs. If they cover them all and with all those high picks they could have a blow out draft...

This comes back down to the argument between best player on the board. And best fit to fill a need imo. Garret is as close to a sure thing as i've seen in quite a while. He was a monster on the field and killed it at the combine. I wasn't sure on the Trubisky pick. He is a top tier QB and arguably has the highest potential out of all the QB's in the draft. But you have to bear in mind from what i've seen. The bulk of his snaps came out of the shotgun. And he was primarily an RPO QB. When it comes to Trubisky I think he is either going to need. A team with the weapons and system to thrive. A team to commit to building around his style. Or an adjustment period to alter his style.

The Browns lost their top receiver in Prior. Crowell had a decent season and Johnson has potential. You could argue John Ross or Dalvin Cook may have been the best available players at the time based on needs. And still had Watson and Mahomes on the board to start the 3rd. Or a much deeper talented QB class next year. With QB's on the roster to function as a stop gap. Baker is a great player but Melifonwu was still on the board. Who is 1st round talent. I may have gone safety later tho. And gone Garrett then Ross/Cook followed by Watson.

The Williams pick could be a sleeper pick and compliment Trubisky. But he has quit the game before.But the off the field issues don't bother me.As much as his ability to hold on to the ball. Thats something he's really going to have to work on at the next level.

Don't get me wrong I did like Browns's draft. But this is a good example of what you are saying. Is BPA the top player left on the board. Or does the teams dynamics and needs factor into determining the BPA? Its a very hard judgement call imo

 

[TheRobotDevil]

And Lynch is finally a raider I think the Peterson deal with the saints does that up

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nf...lifford_avril%3Bplyr%3Dmichael_bennett&sr=amp

 

[Nosferatu]

Wait, It's both of you guys' birthday today? @femurov @beardown07 ??

Happy Day!