Predict the B1G

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

OSU vs Nebraska in the BIG chamionship.

We will get an idea about that mid season. If it is anything like last year... OUCH!

 

[ellupo]

Too bad tOSU couldn't win last year. A complete embarrassment. And you are such a homer, you can't even admit that they shouldn't have been there.

You are wrong little corn head. I have said it many times, even on this very board. But I have enjoyed screwing with you and your weak trolling.

 

[HuskerCradle2Grave]

You are wrong little corn head. I have said it many times, even on this very board. But I have enjoyed screwing with you and your weak trolling.

Never seen you cop to that.

That was screwing with me? Wow, that is some seriously weak game.

And you think that is trolling. You are a true sensitive soul.

 

[Across The Field]

Not to point out the obvious, but didn't you just get done telling Maize the backups were backups for a reason and if they were better than the starters, the coach is a moron?

OSU had one guy who could get separation last year -- it was Curtis Samuel. He is gone. So you have their backups playing. And the other thing you mentioned is -- they will be inexperienced. Trust me when I say this. If Bin Victor was even remotely close to being OSU's " best WR" he would have been on the field when OSU's offense was scoring 3 points in regulation the last two games.

And to say Barrett isn't your best QB is insane. I'm all about cheering on my team, but you are basically saying Meyer can't figure out who the best players are.

I bring up the 7 on 7 because OSU's recruits were all on one team with Martell, Grimes and at the time Lindsey. UM's recruits were all on one team with 11 guys, including St Juste and Ambry Thomas. OSU was shut out 14-0. I bring it up because it shows you how little the rankings mean. OSU's squad also had the #1 WR for 2018 Jalen Hall and CB's were Jeffrey Okudah and Patrick Surtain (#1 CB for 2018).

I pointed it out on the offensive line. He was saying that losing 4 OL starters will be a positive because the backups are better. If you had 4 players riding the pine that were better than 4 starters on the OL, your coach is a retard. That makes no sense. Of any unit on the field, inexperience on the OL is the most hurtful.

OSU had one guy that could get separation because our gameplan was shit. We had a subpar OC who didn't know how to utilize his players correctly. Kevin Wilson was taking also-rans at Indiana and churning out monster seasons with them. He's going to have a field day with the horses in Columbus.

I already explained the Victor situation. Beck didn't like playing freshmen. Several people close to the program (Bobby Carpenter, most publically) have called him out for his ineptitude in this regard.

I'm saying from a strictly QB talent perspective, I don't think Barrett is the best. He's the most experienced by far, and is the best leader, but if you look simply at the QB skillset, I think Burrow and Haskins are better. If all 3 started with the program as freshmen this year, Barrett would be 3rd in line.

7 on 7's mean nothing. Literally nothing. As a michigan fan, you should know this better than anyone. Shane Morris, anyone?

 

[Demonjoe93]

My heart says Ohio State, but Penn State worries me. There's always Michigan as well. Don't think anyone in the West will win the Conference though.

 

[Across The Field]

I am learning that winning the conference DOESN'T actually mean you are the best of the conference. Who knew...

Case in point: 2015 Alabama was a fluke 4th down conversion by Arkansas vs. Ole Miss away from not even playing in the conference title game, let alone winning the conference. Turns out they were the best team in the country.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I pointed it out on the offensive line. He was saying that losing 4 OL starters will be a positive because the backups are better. If you had 4 players riding the pine that were better than 4 starters on the OL, your coach is a retard. That makes no sense. Of any unit on the field, inexperience on the OL is the most hurtful.

OSU had one guy that could get separation because our gameplan was shit. We had a subpar OC who didn't know how to utilize his players correctly. Kevin Wilson was taking also-rans at Indiana and churning out monster seasons with them. He's going to have a field day with the horses in Columbus.

I already explained the Victor situation. Beck didn't like playing freshmen. Several people close to the program (Bobby Carpenter, most publically) have called him out for his ineptitude in this regard.

I'm saying from a strictly QB talent perspective, I don't think Barrett is the best. He's the most experienced by far, and is the best leader, but if you look simply at the QB skillset, I think Burrow and Haskins are better. If all 3 started with the program as freshmen this year, Barrett would be 3rd in line.

7 on 7's mean nothing. Literally nothing. As a michigan fan, you should know this better than anyone. Shane Morris, anyone?

In essence, UM isn't losing 4 OL starters -- they lost 3. Mason Cole and Ben Bredeson are both back. Bredeson was a starter last year as a true freshman.

As far as being better, like OSU, UM cherry picked an Indiana coach to be their OL coach. I definitely don't think they will be better to start the year, as it takes time to gel. With the recruits they have brought in the past two years -- I think they will be better by year end, which isn't terribly difficult as the OL wasn't very good IMO last year's .

Here is the issue with the 'he doesn't like playing freshman' -- OSU struggled immensely to get any kind of downfield passing game, they struggled to get separation on routes, the offense only scored 3 points in regulation over the last two games. No chance they are sitting their 'best WR' on principle, especially when they had played him already. And I think a new coach will help out with offensive schemes, but route running is where you get separation.

With the QB situation, I wholeheartedly disagree. JT Barrett is one of the top 5 QB's in college football. I'm all for backing the recruits you get, but let the backups see the field before calling them more skilled than a guy who was a B1G POTY when he actually had guys to throw the ball to. That is why I would temper expectations until the players show u on the field.

And I mention the 7 on 7 because it is basically a passing competition. Can guys excel and then struggle once you put a full defense trying to take your head off? Absolutely. What you don't see often is guys struggle in 7 on 7 who excel once they face a full defense.

Don't get me wrong. I think OSU is ultra talented. They are going to have question marks like every other team though, as they will have inexperience at key positions defensively (the secondary) and offensively (wide receiver). What makes OSU the favorite in the B1G is one player.....JT Barrett.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I pointed it out on the offensive line. He was saying that losing 4 OL starters will be a positive because the backups are better. If you had 4 players riding the pine that were better than 4 starters on the OL, your coach is a retard. That makes no sense. Of any unit on the field, inexperience on the OL is the most hurtful.

OSU had one guy that could get separation because our gameplan was shit. We had a subpar OC who didn't know how to utilize his players correctly. Kevin Wilson was taking also-rans at Indiana and churning out monster seasons with them. He's going to have a field day with the horses in Columbus.

I already explained the Victor situation. Beck didn't like playing freshmen. Several people close to the program (Bobby Carpenter, most publically) have called him out for his ineptitude in this regard.

I'm saying from a strictly QB talent perspective, I don't think Barrett is the best. He's the most experienced by far, and is the best leader, but if you look simply at the QB skillset, I think Burrow and Haskins are better. If all 3 started with the program as freshmen this year, Barrett would be 3rd in line.

7 on 7's mean nothing. Literally nothing. As a michigan fan, you should know this better than anyone. Shane Morris, anyone?

They might not have been better last year....but they'll have a year to train, bulk up and get better. If the two players we're comparing were here this season, we don't know if the "starter" last year would lose his job to a guy that just spent a year getting stronger and better.

To add: we saw no real growth in a few of our offensive lineman over the past couple years. It's my belief that they just capped out talent wise and had no where to grow. Which is why plugging in more talented players could potentially lead to a better performing team. A higher ceiling.

 

[rmilia1]

East
Penn St
Ohio St
Michigan
Maryland
Indiana
Michigan St
Rutgers

West
Northwestern
Iowa
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Purdue
Minnesota
Illinois

 

[Wamu]

East
Penn St
Ohio St
Michigan
Maryland
Indiana
Michigan St
Rutgers

West
Northwestern
Iowa
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Purdue
Minnesota
Illinois

So what you're saying is Rutgers has no chance to win the E & Minnesota won't win the W? I knew I shouldn't have bet on that!

 

[rmilia1]

So what you're saying is Rutgers has no chance to win the E & Minnesota won't win the W? I knew I shouldn't have bet on that!

LOL. Imo the a West is going to be wide open. I'm not sure why everyone thinks Wisconsin is going to run away with it. I could see any of Wisky, Iowa or NW winning it. Nebraska replaces a ton so that'll be tough. Purdue is a sleeper. They're going to have a really good offense. If the D can even be average they could pull some upsets.

 

[Wamu]

LOL. Imo the a West is going to be wide open. I'm not sure why everyone thinks Wisconsin is going to run away with it. I could see any of Wisky, Iowa or NW winning it. Nebraska replaces a ton so that'll be tough. Purdue is a sleeper. They're going to have a really good offense. If the D can even be average they could pull some upsets.

I just wanna see the conference have a strong season. Well w/ the exception of meeeechegan of course. I just can't bring myself to ever root for them.

 

[ericd7633]

LOL. Imo the a West is going to be wide open. I'm not sure why everyone thinks Wisconsin is going to run away with it. I could see any of Wisky, Iowa or NW winning it. Nebraska replaces a ton so that'll be tough. Purdue is a sleeper. They're going to have a really good offense. If the D can even be average they could pull some upsets.

Wisconsin has the most adventagious schedule and is probably the best team as is. I don't see any way Iowa wins the West. They have to play both PSU and OSU and have road games at Wisconsin, Nebraska and NW.

 

[rmilia1]

I just wanna see the conference have a strong season. Well w/ the exception of meeeechegan of course. I just can't bring myself to ever root for them.

It's been so long since Michigan beat Iowa I don't even remember they're in the conference most of the time

 

[belcherboy]

And still the best team in the B1G every year.

I guess that depends on your definition of the "best team". Most prefer to use that label on the team that actually wins the conference. I wouldn't argue that OSU should be the best, but they clearly haven't been able to prove that 6 out of the last 7 years.

 

[Across The Field]

In essence, UM isn't losing 4 OL starters -- they lost 3. Mason Cole and Ben Bredeson are both back. Bredeson was a starter last year as a true freshman.

As far as being better, like OSU, UM cherry picked an Indiana coach to be their OL coach. I definitely don't think they will be better to start the year, as it takes time to gel. With the recruits they have brought in the past two years -- I think they will be better by year end, which isn't terribly difficult as the OL wasn't very good IMO last year's .

Here is the issue with the 'he doesn't like playing freshman' -- OSU struggled immensely to get any kind of downfield passing game, they struggled to get separation on routes, the offense only scored 3 points in regulation over the last two games. No chance they are sitting their 'best WR' on principle, especially when they had played him already. And I think a new coach will help out with offensive schemes, but route running is where you get separation.

With the QB situation, I wholeheartedly disagree. JT Barrett is one of the top 5 QB's in college football. I'm all for backing the recruits you get, but let the backups see the field before calling them more skilled than a guy who was a B1G POTY when he actually had guys to throw the ball to. That is why I would temper expectations until the players show u on the field.

And I mention the 7 on 7 because it is basically a passing competition. Can guys excel and then struggle once you put a full defense trying to take your head off? Absolutely. What you don't see often is guys struggle in 7 on 7 who excel once they face a full defense.

Don't get me wrong. I think OSU is ultra talented. They are going to have question marks like every other team though, as they will have inexperience at key positions defensively (the secondary) and offensively (wide receiver). What makes OSU the favorite in the B1G is one player.....JT Barrett.

Losing 3 OL is still a very difficult thing to do, especially for a QB who is also replacing nearly all of his skill position guys from the year before. I feel like you guys are really underestimating the loss of Jake Butt. I could see Speight struggling mightily.

The issue was with Beck. He simply wasn't a good OC. I'm well aware of the 3 points thing you keep harping on. Keep in mind we were one of the best offenses in CFB last year before those games. I'm not sure if you genuinely think OSU just doesn't have WRs who can create separation or what. Don't you find it odd that we've put as many WRs in the NFL over the past several years and last year was the only year we actually struggled. Again, Beck was an awful OC. It should be obvious, especially when you see how much Barrett regressed under him. Route running is a product of gameplan in most ways. We struggled in those games because he made absolutely no attempts to adjust. You don't have to believe me right now, but this year will be dramatically different.

When talking about Barrett, I love the guy. He's a true leader and a hell of an athlete. He doesn't have an elite arm, and he looked shaky at best some times last year. Maybe Wilson will completely change things. All I know is that I'd take Burrow's or Haskins' arm over his.

The 7 on 7 is a horrible barometer of WR/QB talent because these are guys that have never played with each other. It's far easier for defensive backs to adjust than WRs.

OSU is ultra-talented. I'd say it'd be foolish to expect a step back in the secondary. Keep in mind we replaced 3 starters last year and were one of the best secondaries in the nation with 3 likely first rounders. I'm not even slightly concerned about that. As far as the WRs go, as I mentioned, Kevin Wilson was getting monster production from guys at Indiana that were just average players who have done nothing outside of his system. Guys like Victor, KJ Hill, Parris Campbell, Austin Mack, etc. will take steps forward this year under him, as he is a natural passing game coach. There's a reason Indiana went from being the worst offense in the B1G to routinely being top 3 under him in a short amount of time.

 

[belcherboy]

How many has Michigan won?

I take it you weren't following the conversation. I simply responded to the quote that "It's Ohio State's conference to lose every year". Which has been true 6 out of the last 7 seasons in which they have managed to lose. Still a great team and a great program no doubt! Far better than Michigan has been for a long time now!

 

[rmilia1]

Wisconsin has the most adventagious schedule and is probably the best team as is. I don't see any way Iowa wins the West. They have to play both PSU and OSU and have road games at Wisconsin, Nebraska and NW.

I understand what you're saying. Fir some reason Iowas has performed far better on the road than at home over the last 3 or 4 years so I guess I'll need to wait and see if that trend continues. Defense will be stout and the OL and run game will be very good. It will honestly depend on QB play abd if they can find a receiver to put opposite Vandeberg that can make some plays. Losing him last year hurt WAYYY more than I thought it would

 

[ellupo]

I guess that depends on your definition of the "best team". Most prefer to use that label on the team that actually wins the conference. I wouldn't argue that OSU should be the best, but they clearly haven't been able to prove that 6 out of the last 7 years.

Winning the conference is dependent on so many outside things. For instance in 2011 who was the best team in the SEC? Or how about last year in the B1G, MI whooped on PSU but PSU won the B1G. I guess that means that PSU was better than MI last year.

 

[ericd7633]

I understand what you're saying. Fir some reason Iowas has performed far better on the road than at home over the last 3 or 4 years so I guess I'll need to wait and see if that trend continues. Defense will be stout and the OL and run game will be very good. It will honestly depend on QB play abd if they can find a receiver to put opposite Vandenberg that can make some plays. Losing him last year birthday WAYYY more than I thought it would

I agree with most of that. Except the birthday part. Lol.