Michigan State turning into the new Baylor?

[bamabear82]

Everyone here would be better off if they just became Washington fans.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

You'd be a fan of a clean program.

 

[bamabear82]

You'd be a fan of a clean program.

I much prefer championships en sech.

 

[7Samurai13]

Everyone here would be better off if they just became Washington fans.

I have no desire to become a douchey, hipster, fair-weather fan.

 

[ellupo]

Mark Richt has lost control of Michigan St football.

I blame Urban Meyer.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

I have no desire to become a douchey, hipster, fair-weather fan.

Not all of them are like that. There's still plenty of old school Husky fans like myself.

 

[4down20]

Talk to me when you figure out that someone doesn't need to be punished or face consequences to have discipline. They have called Rashan Gary an extremely disciplined player. It isn't because he is punished -- it is because he puts in extra film study, extra cardio, extra work with coaches, because he wants to be the best player he can be. Other players see this and start doing the same. It is leading by example and it takes great discipline to handle a full course load in college and put in extra time.

The same goes with a team -- you build a culture and you have to get the players to buy into it. For years and years, MSU has been known as an extremely disciplined team, buying fully into the plan and culture he built in the program. Are players punished if they screw up? Yes. But the overwhelming majority of players were disciplined enough to stay out of trouble completely and if something did happen, it was basically a ring of silence, because that is the culture of the program he built. They are a family and family doesn't talk about issues within the family -- Max Bullough was suspended from the Rose Bowl and it was almost a full year before a reporter was able to dig up enough to figure out why.

It worked tremendously for MSU until they had a horrible season. Now they can't keep players out of the headlines. You catching on yet? When a team goes from having a handful of issues in 5 or 6 years, to having 20 guys suspended at once -- they aren't buying what you are selling right now. Over the last 5 or 6 years -- they've been called a well disciplined team. What they are right now is the exact opposite of that. The 'consequences' are still the same, but the players haven't bought into the culture of the program.

The consequences of him not working out as much would be that he isn't as good as he could be. There are always consequences. He wouldn't do it otherwise, unless he just enjoyed it, which then wouldn't be a matter of discipline at all.

Beyond that, you are basically claiming that if Mark Dantonio had built a better culture, 4 girls wouldn't have been sexual assaulted. And that's just plain bullshit.

 

[Deep Creek]

I blame Urban Meyer.

Meh, it is Texas' fault.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The consequences of him not working out as much would be that he isn't as good as he could be. There are always consequences. He wouldn't do it otherwise, unless he just enjoyed it, which then wouldn't be a matter of discipline at all.

Beyond that, you are basically claiming that if Mark Dantonio had built a better culture, 4 girls wouldn't have been sexual assaulted. And that's just plain bullshit.

disciplined - definition of disciplined in English | Oxford Dictionaries

You need to get it out of your head about punishment and consequences. You CONTINUE to talk about discipline as a noun or verb.

Since you can't seem to grasp the difference between discipline and disciplined. I posted the link to the definition.

 

[RobBase]

Undisciplined Spartans drop fifth straight

 

[RobBase]

Dantonio: 'The worst thing you can say to a coach is your team is undisciplined'

"I’d say we lacked discipline." - Mark Dantonio

 

[4down20]

disciplined - definition of disciplined in English | Oxford Dictionaries

You need to get it out of your head about punishment and consequences. You CONTINUE to talk about discipline as a noun or verb.

Since you can't seem to grasp the difference between discipline and disciplined. I posted the link to the definition.

It's about how and why people become disciplined you dipshit.

Funny how you keep going back to this as a means of ignoring the points. Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It's about how and why people become disciplined you dipshit.

Funny how you keep going back to this as a means of ignoring the points. Can't say I'm surprised.

You've literally have articles posted stating EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, yet you continue to talk in circles.

You have quotes from Mark Dantonio, himself, saying the worst thing you can call his team is undisciplined. You have David Shaw calling MSU a well disciplined team. I can give you articles from the free press, Detroit news, sports illustrated, etc. saying the EXACT SAME THING about MSU being a disciplined team, yet you continue to argue.

Feel free to continue to talk in circles to justify your original stupidity.

 

[7Samurai13]

Undisciplined Spartans drop fifth straight

You realize that the context of "undisciplined" has nothing to do with the undisciplined that we are discussing now, right?

 

[RobBase]

You realize that the context of "undisciplined" has nothing to do with the undisciplined that we are discussing now, right?

Could just be one continuous discipline issue.

 

[4down20]

You've literally have articles posted stating EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, yet you continue to talk in circles.

You have quotes from Mark Dantonio, himself, saying the worst thing you can call his team is undisciplined. You have David Shaw calling MSU a well disciplined team. I can give you articles from the free press, Detroit news, sports illustrated, etc. saying the EXACT SAME THING about MSU being a disciplined team, yet you continue to argue.

Feel free to continue to talk in circles to justify your original stupidity.

The fact that you associate players sexually assaulting women to team discipline is a joke. And that is why you continue to ignore the point.

That you think an article talking about poor tackling and on the field issues equates to these kinds of off the field issues is just laughable.

 

[4down20]

Could just be one continuous discipline issue.

I don't see how sexual assault can be seen as a team discipline issue. When I was in the military, under the strictest of circumstances, none of that had any effect on why I never sexually assaulted anyone.

Getting up on time, making sure my boots were polished, my uniform pressed, cutting my hair in a certain manner - yes.

But sexual assault is a whole other thing that has nothing to do with team discipline, other than the response already given. If the moral and legal consequences aren't enough to prevent it, team rules ain't going to stand a chance.

To suggest this is a team discipline issue as the OP tries to claim is to suggest that Dantonio could have somehow prevented these things. It's to suggest that under another coach, these things wouldn't have happened. And I think that notion is total bullshit and removes the blame from the proper people.

If they were trying to sweep this under the rug like Baylor did, then it would be a huge problem. I don't see that.

 

[socaljim242]

Just stop. You are just continuing to make yourself look like an idiot. Who said Dantonio doesn't discipline his players? NO ONE. Use google and look up the difference between discipline and disciplined.

I will break it down as elementary as I can for you. You CONTINUE to talk about discipline as a noun or verb which means to punish. When used as an ADJECTIVE, such as saying 'MSU has a disciplined team' -- it isn't saying the whole team has been punished. It means the whole team has taken on the morals and values of their head coach -- they have each other's backs, they do their jobs and keep their nose clean. For as long as Dantonio has been head coach -- that is how the program has been viewed. Having 20% of your team suspended in a 6 month period, with guys spitting in cops faces, multiple sexual assault charges, players sleeping with other players sister, players leaving the program for using racial slurs. That is the opposite of a disciplined team.

Are you catching on yet? It is getting old giving you an elementary school English lesson.

Lol. You're right. The guy thought well diciplined meant that they get punished well after messing up and spent the rest of this thread trying to tap dance his way out of it.

 

[RobBase]

I don't see how sexual assault can be seen as a team discipline issue. When I was in the military, under the strictest of circumstances, none of that had any effect on why I never sexually assaulted anyone.

Getting up on time, making sure my boots were polished, my uniform pressed, cutting my hair in a certain manner - yes.

But sexual assault is a whole other thing that has nothing to do with team discipline, other than the response already given. If the moral and legal consequences aren't enough to prevent it, team rules ain't going to stand a chance.

To suggest this is a team discipline issue as the OP tries to claim is to suggest that Dantonio could have somehow prevented these things. It's to suggest that under another coach, these things wouldn't have happened. And I think that notion is total bullshit and removes the blame from the proper people.

If they were trying to sweep this under the rug like Baylor did, then it would be a huge problem. I don't see that.

Wait and see. They had that gymnastics doctor there for decades. Obviously others knew, just like PSU.

Former MSU doctor Larry Nassar faces 22 new sexual assault charges

Nassar worked for decades with Michigan State University and with USA Gymnastics. The university fired him in September.

Nassar, 53, of Holt, was charged in November with three counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct. The charges relate to instances in his home between 1998 to 2005 with a child who is now a woman in her 20s.

Those charges carry maximum sentences of life in prison.

Nassar also faces three federal charges for obtaining, possessing or destroying child pornography images or video. An FBI agent testified in December that computers and hard drives found on Nassar's property in Holt contained at least 37,000 images or videos of child xxxx, as well as videos that showed Nassar sexually assaulting young girls in a swimming pool.

 

[socaljim242]

Not all of them are like that. There's still plenty of old school Husky fans like myself.

Did you actually think saying more Washington fans are like you was a good thing? Lol. Classic.