bamabear82
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Everyone here would be better off if they just became Washington fans.
Everyone here would be better off if they just became Washington fans.
You'd be a fan of a clean program.
I much prefer championships en sech.You'd be a fan of a clean program.
I have no desire to become a douchey, hipster, fair-weather fan.Everyone here would be better off if they just became Washington fans.
I blame Urban Meyer.Mark Richt has lost control of Michigan St football.
Not all of them are like that. There's still plenty of old school Husky fans like myself.I have no desire to become a douchey, hipster, fair-weather fan.
Talk to me when you figure out that someone doesn't need to be punished or face consequences to have discipline. They have called Rashan Gary an extremely disciplined player. It isn't because he is punished -- it is because he puts in extra film study, extra cardio, extra work with coaches, because he wants to be the best player he can be. Other players see this and start doing the same. It is leading by example and it takes great discipline to handle a full course load in college and put in extra time.
The same goes with a team -- you build a culture and you have to get the players to buy into it. For years and years, MSU has been known as an extremely disciplined team, buying fully into the plan and culture he built in the program. Are players punished if they screw up? Yes. But the overwhelming majority of players were disciplined enough to stay out of trouble completely and if something did happen, it was basically a ring of silence, because that is the culture of the program he built. They are a family and family doesn't talk about issues within the family -- Max Bullough was suspended from the Rose Bowl and it was almost a full year before a reporter was able to dig up enough to figure out why.
It worked tremendously for MSU until they had a horrible season. Now they can't keep players out of the headlines. You catching on yet? When a team goes from having a handful of issues in 5 or 6 years, to having 20 guys suspended at once -- they aren't buying what you are selling right now. Over the last 5 or 6 years -- they've been called a well disciplined team. What they are right now is the exact opposite of that. The 'consequences' are still the same, but the players haven't bought into the culture of the program.
Meh, it is Texas' fault.I blame Urban Meyer.
The consequences of him not working out as much would be that he isn't as good as he could be. There are always consequences. He wouldn't do it otherwise, unless he just enjoyed it, which then wouldn't be a matter of discipline at all.
Beyond that, you are basically claiming that if Mark Dantonio had built a better culture, 4 girls wouldn't have been sexual assaulted. And that's just plain bullshit.
disciplined - definition of disciplined in English | Oxford Dictionaries
You need to get it out of your head about punishment and consequences. You CONTINUE to talk about discipline as a noun or verb.
Since you can't seem to grasp the difference between discipline and disciplined. I posted the link to the definition.
It's about how and why people become disciplined you dipshit.
Funny how you keep going back to this as a means of ignoring the points. Can't say I'm surprised.
You realize that the context of "undisciplined" has nothing to do with the undisciplined that we are discussing now, right?
You've literally have articles posted stating EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, yet you continue to talk in circles.
You have quotes from Mark Dantonio, himself, saying the worst thing you can call his team is undisciplined. You have David Shaw calling MSU a well disciplined team. I can give you articles from the free press, Detroit news, sports illustrated, etc. saying the EXACT SAME THING about MSU being a disciplined team, yet you continue to argue.
Feel free to continue to talk in circles to justify your original stupidity.
Could just be one continuous discipline issue.
Just stop. You are just continuing to make yourself look like an idiot. Who said Dantonio doesn't discipline his players? NO ONE. Use google and look up the difference between discipline and disciplined.
I will break it down as elementary as I can for you. You CONTINUE to talk about discipline as a noun or verb which means to punish. When used as an ADJECTIVE, such as saying 'MSU has a disciplined team' -- it isn't saying the whole team has been punished. It means the whole team has taken on the morals and values of their head coach -- they have each other's backs, they do their jobs and keep their nose clean. For as long as Dantonio has been head coach -- that is how the program has been viewed. Having 20% of your team suspended in a 6 month period, with guys spitting in cops faces, multiple sexual assault charges, players sleeping with other players sister, players leaving the program for using racial slurs. That is the opposite of a disciplined team.
Are you catching on yet? It is getting old giving you an elementary school English lesson.
I don't see how sexual assault can be seen as a team discipline issue. When I was in the military, under the strictest of circumstances, none of that had any effect on why I never sexually assaulted anyone.
Getting up on time, making sure my boots were polished, my uniform pressed, cutting my hair in a certain manner - yes.
But sexual assault is a whole other thing that has nothing to do with team discipline, other than the response already given. If the moral and legal consequences aren't enough to prevent it, team rules ain't going to stand a chance.
To suggest this is a team discipline issue as the OP tries to claim is to suggest that Dantonio could have somehow prevented these things. It's to suggest that under another coach, these things wouldn't have happened. And I think that notion is total bullshit and removes the blame from the proper people.
If they were trying to sweep this under the rug like Baylor did, then it would be a huge problem. I don't see that.
Not all of them are like that. There's still plenty of old school Husky fans like myself.