Michigan State turning into the new Baylor?

[TrustMeIamRight]

This is extremely funny considering my private life.



My company had 75 people in it unless I'm missing someone. "off the field" issues were constant, and more frequent than I see on football teams. And sometimes, they were more serious in nature.

That you compare the entire military to 1 school is your ignorant shit, not mine. When I think about the military, I think about the people I was in contact with.



So you claim Dantonio no longer punishes for these things, and yet the article you already quoted in the OP starts out in the 4th sentence claiming this is the 4th student to be suspended. Where are all these Michigan St players not being disciplined for their actions?

Just stop. You are just continuing to make yourself look like an idiot. Who said Dantonio doesn't discipline his players? NO ONE. Use google and look up the difference between discipline and disciplined.

I will break it down as elementary as I can for you. You CONTINUE to talk about discipline as a noun or verb which means to punish. When used as an ADJECTIVE, such as saying 'MSU has a disciplined team' -- it isn't saying the whole team has been punished. It means the whole team has taken on the morals and values of their head coach -- they have each other's backs, they do their jobs and keep their nose clean. For as long as Dantonio has been head coach -- that is how the program has been viewed. Having 20% of your team suspended in a 6 month period, with guys spitting in cops faces, multiple sexual assault charges, players sleeping with other players sister, players leaving the program for using racial slurs. That is the opposite of a disciplined team.

Are you catching on yet? It is getting old giving you an elementary school English lesson.

 

[Innermind]

So anyone have any ideas on how to stop Michigan St. players from r@ping?

Remove the Spartans chicks from the equation...

...and replace them with Wolverines chicks...

...that'll pretty much shut down most dudes.

 

[B_dub]

Remove the Spartans chicks from the equation...

...and replace them with Wolverines chicks...

...that'll pretty much shut down most dudes.

9.5, 7, 7, 1, 9, 8




















.005. Football looked smarter than her.

 

[4down20]

Just stop. You are just continuing to make yourself look like an idiot. Who said Dantonio doesn't discipline his players? NO ONE. Use google and look up the difference between discipline and disciplined.

I will break it down as elementary as I can for you. You CONTINUE to talk about discipline as a noun or verb which means to punish. When used as an ADJECTIVE, such as saying 'MSU has a disciplined team' -- it isn't saying the whole team has been punished. It means the whole team has taken on the morals and values of their head coach -- they have each other's backs, they do their jobs and keep their nose clean. For as long as Dantonio has been head coach -- that is how the program has been viewed. Having 20% of your team suspended in a 6 month period, with guys spitting in cops faces, multiple sexual assault charges, players sleeping with other players sister, players leaving the program for using racial slurs. That is the opposite of a disciplined team.

Are you catching on yet? It is getting old giving you an elementary school English lesson.

Oh I see, so there is an aura around the coach and that's what keeps kids in line. They catch scent of the aura, and they are suddenly endowed with the morals and values of that head coach. In Dantonio's old age, the glands that produce this aura are lacking, and that is why Michigan St players are out there raping people.

Maybe Dantonio should include more asparagus in his diet.

 

[4down20]

Mark Richt has lost control of Michigan St football.

 

[7Samurai13]

Remove the Spartans chicks from the equation...

...and replace them with Wolverines chicks...

...that'll pretty much shut down most dudes.

I never wanted to be a mogwai more than right now.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Oh I see, so there is an aura around the coach and that's what keeps kids in line. They catch scent of the aura, and they are suddenly endowed with the morals and values of that head coach. In Dantonio's old age, the glands that produce this aura are lacking, and that is why Michigan St players are out there raping people.

Maybe Dantonio should include more asparagus in his diet.

Wow. Talk about grasping at straws. Instead of making yourself look more and more foolish, just admit you didn't know the difference between discipline and disciplined.

Here are a few articles for you. Let me know if you need more. Make sure to point out how foolish David Shaw is.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/11906925/stanford_coach_david_shaw_appl.amp

Windsor: Dantonio wins by emphasizing family, discipline

 

[4down20]

Wow. Talk about grasping at straws. Instead of making yourself look more and more foolish, just admit you didn't know the difference between discipline and disciplined.

Here are a few articles for you. Let me know if you need more. Make sure to point out how foolish David Shaw is.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/11906925/stanford_coach_david_shaw_appl.amp

Windsor: Dantonio wins by emphasizing family, discipline

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Laughing is exactly what I was doing when the very first article listed had David Shaw saying exactly what I did about MSU's program.

Laughing is also what I'm doing as you talk in circles to try and save face. As I said, I will use smaller words next time we talk.

 

[4down20]

Laughing is exactly what I was doing when the very first article listed had David Shaw saying exactly what I did about MSU's program.

Laughing is also what I'm doing as you talk in circles to try and save face. As I said, I will use smaller words next time we talk.

How the fuck do you think something gets that way? Do you think maybe there is a reason why the 2 words are nearly identical?

So tell me, what did Dantonio do that is so different that causes members of the team to go out and r*pe women?

Or just keep trying to talk about word meanings like a cheap oscar.

 

[RobBase]

Someone sure is sucking on Dantonio's balls all day for being a MI fan.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

How the fuck do you think something gets that way? Do you think maybe there is a reason why the 2 words are nearly identical?

So tell me, what did Dantonio do that is so different that causes members of the team to go out and r*pe women?

Or just keep trying to talk about word meanings like a cheap oscar.

Do you realize the difference between a noun and an adjective? A disciplined team doesn't mean the entire team has been punished. Discipline can be many things -- if you hold practice at 5 am every morning, it takes self discipline to go to bed early and get up every morning. It takes discipline to get a team to buy into the culture of a program, where you don't want to be the guy who lets your coach or teammates down. It takes discipline to workout daily or better yourself.

For whatever unknown reason, you seem to think discipline is only punishment. Discipline is the way a team works, how they handle themselves on and off the field, how they don't want to let the next guy down.

I'm done with the English lesson now. Quit talking in circles and realize how foolish your initial comment was.

 

[4down20]

Do you realize the difference between a noun and an adjective? A disciplined team doesn't mean the entire team has been punished. Discipline can be many things -- if you hold practice at 5 am every morning, it takes self discipline to go to bed early and get up every morning. It takes discipline to get a team to buy into the culture of a program, where you don't want to be the guy who lets your coach or teammates down. It takes discipline to workout daily or better yourself.

For whatever unknown reason, you seem to think discipline is only punishment. Discipline is the way a team works, how they handle themselves on and off the field, how they don't want to let the next guy down.

I'm done with the English lesson now. Quit talking in circles and realize how foolish your initial comment was.

So we are back to magic auras.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So we are back to magic auras.

I now understand why you went the military route. College definitely wasn't for you.

 

[4down20]

I now understand why you went the military route. College definitely wasn't for you.

Discipline happens because of consequences, aka the response as I mentioned in my 1st post no matter if you are willing to admit it or not.

It's not just "self-discipline" that someone gets out of bed early for practice. They get out of bed early for practice because they don't want the consequences of the wrong actions.

There is no magic that just makes people "well disciplined" out of the blue.

Your original post was this:

I always looked at MSU as a disciplined team with Dantonio at the helm.

And then I look at the article YOU LINKED in the 1st post and it starts with: 4th student suspended. Thus, the consequences are still active and everything needed for a "disciplined" team is there.

So what the fuck else is Dantonio supposed to be doing to make them a "disciplined team"? What do you think he is doing differently now than he has in the past?

 

[Deep Creek]

I have a little experience with this.

Defintion(s) of discipline
noun

1. 1.
   the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience.
2. 2.
   a branch of knowledge, typically one studied in higher education.

verb

1. 1.
   train (someone) to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience.

As a school administrator, I had to mete out punishment to both students and staff from time to time. Not one of the most enjoyable aspects of the job, but necessary at time. (In fact, anyone that enjoys such shouldn't be in such a position. JMO) The individual student(s) or staff member(s) receiving the consequences were punished. That punishment may also have caused others to be more disciplined in future actions and behaviors because of it, but those individuals were not "punished" per se.

Had a sign in my office the whole time I was a school principal. It said "Discipline is not what you do TO someone. Discipline is what you do FOR someone." I believe it was from Lou Holtz but not sure.

Also had caligraphy written and framed signs at home quoting Proverbs. "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." And "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." My daughters hated those...but both have them in their homes now!

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Those Michigan State boyz be r@ping like a mofo. Hide your daughters and wives because those Michigan State boyz be on the loose.

 

[7Samurai13]

Michigan state vs Oklahoma in the national title game. You heard it here first.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Discipline happens because of consequences, aka the response as I mentioned in my 1st post no matter if you are willing to admit it or not.

It's not just "self-discipline" that someone gets out of bed early for practice. They get out of bed early for practice because they don't want the consequences of the wrong actions.

There is no magic that just makes people "well disciplined" out of the blue.

Your original post was this:



And then I look at the article YOU LINKED in the 1st post and it starts with: 4th student suspended. Thus, the consequences are still active and everything needed for a "disciplined" team is there.

So what the fuck else is Dantonio supposed to be doing to make them a "disciplined team"? What do you think he is doing differently now than he has in the past?

Talk to me when you figure out that someone doesn't need to be punished or face consequences to have discipline. They have called Rashan Gary an extremely disciplined player. It isn't because he is punished -- it is because he puts in extra film study, extra cardio, extra work with coaches, because he wants to be the best player he can be. Other players see this and start doing the same. It is leading by example and it takes great discipline to handle a full course load in college and put in extra time.

The same goes with a team -- you build a culture and you have to get the players to buy into it. For years and years, MSU has been known as an extremely disciplined team, buying fully into the plan and culture he built in the program. Are players punished if they screw up? Yes. But the overwhelming majority of players were disciplined enough to stay out of trouble completely and if something did happen, it was basically a ring of silence, because that is the culture of the program he built. They are a family and family doesn't talk about issues within the family -- Max Bullough was suspended from the Rose Bowl and it was almost a full year before a reporter was able to dig up enough to figure out why.

It worked tremendously for MSU until they had a horrible season. Now they can't keep players out of the headlines. You catching on yet? When a team goes from having a handful of issues in 5 or 6 years, to having 20 guys suspended at once -- they aren't buying what you are selling right now. Over the last 5 or 6 years -- they've been called a well disciplined team. What they are right now is the exact opposite of that. The 'consequences' are still the same, but the players haven't bought into the culture of the program.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Everyone here would be better off if they just became Washington fans.