Your thought on two B1G teams possibly making it?

[gpm1976]

If they beat WSU, that will also drop them from the rankings, meaning beating Colorado would be their only quality win of the year. Winning a conference title with only 1 ranked win is extremely weak compared to a team with 4 ranked wins (3 top 10, two conference champs) like Ohio State. The committee will see that.

The PAC in general has the same problem as the Big12.. not one quality OOC win. In fact, I think the PACs only win against the BIG is when Washington beat Rutgers.

 

[fishinabarrel]

I'm saying if they were still using the BCS system to pick the 4 playoff teams, Ohio State would be in.

I can definitely agree with that

 

[gpm1976]

Yep. I think the top 3vin the West are 1-4 vs the Top 3 in the East. But the West is 11-9 vs the East overall. I think it was 11-10 East last year. Assuming IU beats Purdue it'll be exactly 21-21 over the first 2 years. Not bad for a straight geographical alignment lol

The East top heavy for sure, but the biggest problem the East has is Rutgers.. holy crap! they can't find their asses with both hands.

 

[Across The Field]

Stanford is ranked and ending the season with Rice, they should finish ranked.

Nah, I like Rice in that matchup.

 

[Across The Field]

The PAC in general has the same problem as the Big12.. not one quality OOC win. In fact, I think the PACs only win against the BIG is when Washington beat Rutgers.

I believe you are correct there. Their best wins are over 7-4 BYU and 6-4 Kansas State. The whole conference. That's absurd.

 

[gpm1976]

I believe you are correct there. Their best wins are over 7-4 BYU and 6-4 Kansas State. The whole conference. That's absurd.

I'm thinking Utah and Wash St. both drop outta the top 25 after next week. That means that if Washington and Colorado meet up in the CCG, they will both have lost to the only ranked teams they've played. If one of those teams doesn't go on a tear and finish the season in blow-out fashion, I can see the PAC getting left out.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If you want to see the committee's thinking on this, look at the rankings last year. Both Iowa and Michigan State were ranked over Ohio State in the final ranking. Iowa won their division, Ohio State did not. Nobody with any sense would have picked Iowa to beat Ohio State after the season, and I doubt the committee really thought Iowa was a better team, but the final ranking really isn't about who the top 4 teams are.

You can't look at past seasons to validate this years. Ohio St's resume last year wasn't that great and considering Iowa was undefeated and didn't have 2 losses that situation is different. Michigan St also had one loss and beat Ohio St head to head at the END OF THE YEAR.

 

[Shanemansj13]

They had the best loss of the teams in contention and were jumped by the team with the worst loss.

Remember, Ohio St lost the very first game of the year. Considering that team was totally different then at the end of the years team by far, looks like they made 100% right decision.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm thinking Utah and Wash St. both drop outta the top 25 after next week. That means that if Washington and Colorado meet up in the CCG, they will both have lost to the only ranked teams they've played. If one of those teams doesn't go on a tear and finish the season in blow-out fashion, I can see the PAC getting left out.

@ericd7633 was right, I forgot that Stanford backdoored their way into the back end of the rankings, at least the CFP. That's a ranked win for Washington I guess.

 

[Across The Field]

They had the best loss of the teams in contention and were jumped by the team with the worst loss.

Thankfully that's not the only thing the committee cared about. OSU had the best resume that year of the fringe teams.

 

[gpm1976]

@ericd7633 was right, I forgot that Stanford backdoored their way into the back end of the rankings, at least the CFP. That's a ranked win for Washington I guess.

and Stanford did destroy Notre Dame 17 to 10. LOL!! signature OOC win??

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The East top heavy for sure, but the biggest problem the East has is Rutgers.. holy crap! they can't find their asses with both hands.

They had an article on 247 about Rutgers this year and how bad they have been. Between UM,OSU, MSU and PSU -- they lost by a combined 223-0. Since the turn of the century, they are #2 in the B1G with 6 shutout losses, the team that was #1 had been shutout 7 times -- the difference is -- Rutgers has done it in 24 games and the other team had 7 in 168 games.

They aren't just bad. They are historically bad.

 

[Shanemansj13]

We're not using the BCS anymore, I have no doubt Ohio State would get in under that system. Everybody wanted conference championships to mean something, and now that they do they don't like it so much, if they think it's going to cost them a place in the playoff that is.

Nah, that's how the committee wanted it. We will find out this year how much they value conference championships over picking the best 4 teams. The fact they ALWAYS talk about "we want to get the best 4 in", that should be their goal ultimately. Like I said they are getting better and better every year and every week at defining those rules they set and we could see how important those attributes are. If Ohio St loses that will make their job a hell of a lot easier though.

 

[cclxxxvdicere]

You can't look at past seasons to validate this years. Ohio St's resume last year wasn't that great and considering Iowa was undefeated and didn't have 2 losses that situation is different. Michigan St also had one loss and beat Ohio St head to head at the END OF THE YEAR.

You look at past rankings because it gives you an indication on how they should voted in similar situations. Everybody knew Ohio State was better than Michigan State and Iowa, but they were voted down because they didn't win their division. Everybody knows they're better than Penn State too, but they lost to them anyway, like they did to Michigan State last year. This year they're going to decide differently?

This all assumes Penn State doesn't lose. If they do, and you win out, you're in. Otherwise, pray they're not going to follow their own precedent.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Part of me just wants to see total anarchy for the CFP committee.

How about this scenario:

UM beats OSU, then loses to Wisconsin
Washington State beats Washington, then loses to Colorado
Clemson loses to VT or whoever they face

Two loss teams would include:
Wisconsin
Michigan
Penn State
Oklahoma
Clemson
Colorado
Oklahoma State
Washington

Basically it'd be Alabama and then a free for all for 2,3 and 4. PSU beat OSU, but lost to UM. OSU lost to PSU, but beat OU. Colorado would be the PAC champ, but lost to UM by 17. Wisconsin lost to UM and OSU, but then beat UM. OU would be the B12 champ, but got manhandled by OSU and Houston.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You look at past rankings because it gives you an indication on how they should voted in similar situations. Everybody knew Ohio State was better than Michigan State and Iowa, but they were voted down because they didn't win their division. Everybody knows they're better than Penn State too, but they lost to them anyway, like they did to Michigan State last year. This year they're going to decide differently?

This all assumes Penn State doesn't lose. If they do, and you win out, you're in. Otherwise, pray they're not going to follow their own precedent.

They could. Penn St has two losses, Wisconsin has two losses. Iowa was undefeated---they were a lock. Michigan St was a lock bc they beat Ohio St and Michigan. Michigan St beat an undefeated Iowa team to win the B1G. yes, it is different----is it that difficult to understand.

 

[Across The Field]

You look at past rankings because it gives you an indication on how they should voted in similar situations. Everybody knew Ohio State was better than Michigan State and Iowa, but they were voted down because they didn't win their division. Everybody knows they're better than Penn State too, but they lost to them anyway, like they did to Michigan State last year. This year they're going to decide differently?

This all assumes Penn State doesn't lose. If they do, and you win out, you're in. Otherwise, pray they're not going to follow their own precedent.

This year's situation is not similar to last year's. OSU's 11-1 resume last year was nowhere near as impressive as it would be if they're 11-1 this year. The signature wins are significantly better, OSU's SOS is far tougher this year, and most importantly, MSU only had 1 loss last year while PSU has 2 losses this year. Also, Michigan State had jumped OSU last year immediately after beating them. This year, PSU is nowhere close to jumping OSU in the rankings.

 

[gpm1976]

They had an article on 247 about Rutgers this year and how bad they have been. Between UM,OSU, MSU and PSU -- they lost by a combined 223-0. Since the turn of the century, they are #2 in the B1G with 6 shutout losses, the team that was #1 had been shutout 7 times -- the difference is -- Rutgers has done it in 24 games and the other team had 7 in 168 games.

They aren't just bad. They are historically bad.

I know Rutgers was money in the bank, but they just weren't a good fit for the BIG.

 

[Milkshake]

I know Rutgers was money in the bank, but they just weren't a good fit for the BIG.

So what can be done about it - or is the BIG just stuck?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Part of me just wants to see total anarchy for the CFP committee.

How about this scenario:

UM beats OSU, then loses to Wisconsin
Washington State beats Washington, then loses to Colorado
Clemson loses to VT or whoever they face

Two loss teams would include:
Wisconsin
Michigan
Penn State
Oklahoma
Clemson
Colorado
Oklahoma State
Washington

Basically it'd be Alabama and then a free for all for 2,3 and 4. PSU beat OSU, but lost to UM. OSU lost to PSU, but beat OU. Colorado would be the PAC champ, but lost to UM by 17. Wisconsin lost to UM and OSU, but then beat UM. OU would be the B12 champ, but got manhandled by OSU and Houston.

#1 Bama
#2 Wisconsin
#3 Oklahoma
#4 ?

In this scenario Wisconsin gets in for sure. They would beat the #2 team in the nation.

Michigan, Clemson and Colorado would all be competing. Clemson is probably out- late loss in CCG. Michigan wouldn't have a B1G title and a late loss as well. Colorado would have a PAC Championship but a loss to Michigan.


Penn St would be out.
Oklahoma St is out. Lost to Oklahoma.
Washington is out.