Your thought on two B1G teams possibly making it?

[cclxxxvdicere]

Washington could win out and win the PAC-12 CCG, while OSU could finish with the same one loss and not play in the B1G CG and would easily get in over Washington.

Washington best win is against Utah, who just lost to Oregon. Washington State was supposed to be a big game and they were beaten handily by Colorado dropping them to the bottom of the CFP 25, or even out of it.

If Washington wins out, there is zero chance that a Ohio State team that does not win it's conference goes in over them. 12-1 conference champ beats 11-1 team that does not win it's division. You need to cheer hard for the Spartans.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I don't disagree, for having 6 returning starters it has been a hell of a year for a young team. 7 point favorite is A LOT for a team that looked unbeatable for most of the year. I hate when my team is favored in general lol

I will say this -- if O'Korn is our QB, the only way UM wins is if we force multiple turnovers. OSU will just stack the box and force UM to pass if Speight doesn't play.

O'Korn looked like he was ready to run as soon as the ball was snapped last week. He took the term happy feet to a whole new level.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

As compared to OSU needing to stop a 2 pc against a team that got destroyed by BYU?

And in case u didn't know -- the B1G doesn't play in sunny and 70 weather all year. The week before this past Saturday's game, it was 60-70 degrees. Saturday it was sub 30 degrees with 25-30 mph winds.

So yes, weather can effect the outcome of B1G games. It comes with the territory. See MSU/OSU last year for another prime example. Or UM having the fewest passing yards since the turn of the century against Indiana.

 

[Bamabino]

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If Washington wins out, there is zero chance that a Ohio State team that does not win it's conference goes in over them. 12-1 conference champ beats 11-1 team that does not win it's division. You need to cheer hard for the Spartans.

If it is Colorado they play in the CCG -- Washington would end the year beating one ranked team. Colorado.

I won't argue it is possible it could happen, but the top team in the PAC-12 right now has 3 losses. They proved it by dominating Washington on the road.

 

[Bamabino]

 

[Bamabino]

 

[cclxxxvdicere]

If it is Colorado they play in the CCG -- Washington would end the year beating one ranked team. Colorado.

I won't argue it is possible it could happen, but the top team in the PAC-12 right now has 3 losses. They proved it by dominating Washington on the road.

I think that Ohio State is better than Washington, but they still won't go in over them if they're the 1 loss conference champion if Ohio State doesn't win the Big10. They need Michigan State to beat Penn State, real bad.

 

[4down20]

So the conf championship in the BIG means nothing if OSU beats Michigan... at least that's what I keep seeing. Either we expand to an 8 team playoff or change the way conferences are set up altogether.

Yes, we should expand to 8 teams because we can't decide who the 4th team should be.

And then we should go to 16, because if you think deciding the 4th team was hard, wait until you do the 8th place team.


FUCK THAT SHIT.

If you lost a game this year, you got no room to bitch. If you got in the playoffs after a loss, then thank your lucky stars.

End of story.

 

[cclxxxvdicere]

Winning your division isn't a data point the committee uses so that's pretty irrelevant. At the end of the day Bama would have more .500+ wins than OSU but not the quality of wins at the top and OSU would have the better loss. There would not be any common opponents to compare and neither would be a P5 winner. The resumes ( as the committee looks at them) would be nearly identical. Now if you're asking ME personally I think winning your division should matter because it's adding an extra game to your schedule vs a quality opponent so losing that game should not penalize you too harshly

If you want to see the committee's thinking on this, look at the rankings last year. Both Iowa and Michigan State were ranked over Ohio State in the final ranking. Iowa won their division, Ohio State did not. Nobody with any sense would have picked Iowa to beat Ohio State after the season, and I doubt the committee really thought Iowa was a better team, but the final ranking really isn't about who the top 4 teams are.

 

[fishinabarrel]

If Washington would win out they would have beaten a total of 2 top 25 teams: #21 Utah and #9 Colorado or #12 USC. Even with a conference title I just don't see that being a good enough resume honestly.

Normally, I think it very well could be. This year turns out to be an anomaly I think. For example, how many top 25 wins did Ohio State have in 2014 to make it in the playoffs as a conference champion?

 

[rmilia1]

If you want to see the committee's thinking on this, look at the rankings last year. Both Iowa and Michigan State were ranked over Ohio State in the final ranking. Iowa won their division, Ohio State did not. Nobody with any sense would have picked Iowa to beat Ohio State after the season, and I doubt the committee really thought Iowa was a better team, but the final ranking really isn't about who the top 4 teams are.

Iowa was ranked ahead of OSU imo because common opponents results were almost identical, Iowa had the better SoS and I'm sure the Rose Bowl preferred to get an Iowa fan base that was excited about the season, that travels excellently and who hadn't been to the game in 24 years over an OSU fan base that was disappointed in the season. There really wasn't much separating those 2 teams on a resume basis.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Washington is in if they win out. They'd add 2 quality wins and be a 1 loss P5 champ. In order for 2 B10 teams to make it either UW or Clemson need to lose and OSU needs to beat Michigan. There's also a 50-50 shot that a 2 loss Colorado who wins the P12 would get in ahead of a 2 loss Penn St who wins the B10. The Buffaloes are likely to jump PSU this week in the rankings

Yep I agree. If Washington wins out their in for sure. Also if Colorado wins out and are the PAC 12 Champs, then they should be in the playoffs before any Big 10 two loss team.

 

[rmilia1]

Yep I agree. If Washington wins out there in for sure. Also if Colorado wins out and are the PAC 12 Champs, then they should be in the playoffs before any Big 10 two loss team.

The Colorado thing is tougher because of head to head considerations and common opponent considerations. That said I think Colorado still has a shot of VT beats Clemson or OKST beats OU

 

[Gopherfan84]

That beat a bad team by 50 and they didn't have a great resume.

They had the best loss of the teams in contention and were jumped by the team with the worst loss.

 

[The Oldtimer]

The Colorado thing is tougher because of head to head considerations and common opponent considerations. That said I think Colorado still has a shot of VT beats Clemson or OKST beats OU

Just my opinion. I think Colorado deserves to go into the playoffs as a two loss PAC 12 champ ahead of any other two loss team that didn't win their CCG. I'm sorry, but IMO a two loss Big 12 team doesn't deserve to go to the playoffs, as they don't have a CCG.

 

[rmilia1]

Just my opinion. I think Colorado deserves to go into the playoffs as a two loss PAC 12 champ ahead of any other two loss team that didn't win their CCG. I'm sorry, but IMO a two loss Big 12 team doesn't deserve to go to the playoffs, as they don't have a CCG.

I'd agree with them going ahead of any 2 loss non P5 winner ( although a 2 loss Michigan would have a good argument). That said the only other league likely to have a 2 loss winner is the B12 and I have to be honest, if it's ME and OKST beats OU I'd have to think really hard about the Cowboys fake loss to CMU and how much I'd weigh that in my opinion

 

[Tharvot]

Let's say Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Penn St all win next week. Then either the Badgers or Lions win the CCG.

1. Bama
2. Ohio St
3. Clemson

4. Wisconsin, Penn St, Washington, Colorado, Oklahoma, Okie St? Assuming either WA or CO win the Pac and OK/OkSt wins the Big12?

Or does a one loss Ohio State get left out if let's say Penn St wins the B1G?

Assuming PSU doesn't lose to MSU:

Best case scenario for Ohio State to get in is if Wisconsin wins the B1G, OU wins the B12, and Washington loses another game.

Worst case scenario for Ohio State to get in is if Okie St wins the B12, PSU wins the B1G and Washington finishes PAC champs with 1 loss.

 

[cclxxxvdicere]

Iowa was ranked ahead of OSU imo because common opponents results were almost identical, Iowa had the better SoS and I'm sure the Rose Bowl preferred to get an Iowa fan base that was excited about the season, that travels excellently and who hadn't been to the game in 24 years over an OSU fan base that was disappointed in the season. There really wasn't much separating those 2 teams on a resume basis.

Which is why Iowa was ranked higher. Sagarin had Iowa SOS at 62, Ohio State at 61. Colley had Ohio State at 41 and Iowa at 52. The division championship was the difference between them. If you were going to put your own money on who would have won between Ohio State and Iowa last year, who would you have bet on?

 

[Across The Field]

I think that Ohio State is better than Washington, but they still won't go in over them if they're the 1 loss conference champion if Ohio State doesn't win the Big10. They need Michigan State to beat Penn State, real bad.

Nah. Unless the committee drops OSU to 4th/5th in tonight's rankings, we're in if we beat michigan, regardless of what Washington does.