Your thought on two B1G teams possibly making it?

[fishinabarrel]

OSU is ranked 2nd right now based on their resume being 2nd best according to the committee. However the committee doesn't have all the variables yet
At WORST winning your league title makes up 25% of a teams resume ( and that's if you believe the committee doesn't value it more than the other criteria). Buckeyes fans like to point to their resume all the time when talking wins and losses but many of them gloss right over the fact theyre going to be lacking a HUGE piece of that resume. Not winning your league title is akin to playing no ranked teams all year. Doesn't automatically disqualify you, just makes it tougher

I absolutely agree with this. Conference championships are the most important factor, but there are still other factors and Ohio State is on top of every single one of them. Better loss, better wins, better SOS, better offensive and defensive stats. I know it just seems I'm arguing for Ohio State, but the fact of the matter is I don't want the committee sayin sits ok to lose to a non divionsal foe or a crappy divionsal foe you can still make your championship game and make the playoffs but don't have a hiccup against a good team in your division, cause then you're out

 

[rmilia1]

I don't think it's anywhere near this formulaic.

If that scenario happens, then they have two wins over league champions (Oklahoma, Wisconsin), another top 10 team (Michigan) and one loss to a top 10 team (PSU). Nothing Washington has done this season trumps that, especially their non-conference slate against Rutgers, Idaho and Portland State.

Until they go to a 6-game playoff with automatic P5 bids and a wild card, it's still about selecting the "best 4 teams in the country". Winning a conference is a possible indicator that a team is one of the four best, but if it's clear on other evidence that they're not, it doesn't give them an automatic berth.

A non P5 winner has to "unequivocally" be one of the 4 best teams. Is OSU unequivocally better than a 1 loss UW? A 2 loss PSU? I don't know. They didn't appear to be unequivocally better than NW and MSU here recently. It'll be close

 

[Shanemansj13]

I've been saying this as well. OSU needed to beat MSU soundly and it didn't happen. Beating Michigan by a big score at home could erase some memories, but what if PSU or Wisconsin lights up the other? They get in and OSU is out..? Not getting to the CCG is a killer.

We just have to hope Michigan St plays their best game vs Penn St. If their defense plays like it did last Saturday, they have a shot. Ohio St needs to also play their best against Michigan or it is all for nothing.

 

[The Q]

Ohio St is in danger of not even winning their division. Much less the Conference Championship.

 

[The Q]

A non P5 winner has to "unequivocally" be one of the 4 best teams. Is OSU unequivocally better than a 1 loss UW? A 2 loss PSU? I don't know. They didn't appear to be unequivocally better than NW and MSU here recently. It'll be close

Exactly. The committee gave themselves a pretty hard box.

Needing blatant OPI to defeat Wisky doesn't help either.

 

[rmilia1]

I absolutely agree with this. Conference championships are the most important factor, but there are still other factors and Ohio State is on top of every single one of them. Better loss, better wins, better SOS, better offensive and defensive stats. I know it just seems I'm arguing for Ohio State, but the fact of the matter is I don't want the committee sayin sits ok to lose to a non divionsal foe or a crappy divionsal foe you can still make your championship game and make the playoffs but don't have a hiccup against a good team in your division, cause then you're out

Yep that's about right.

 

[BigAppleBadger]

A non P5 winner has to "unequivocally" be one of the 4 best teams. Is OSU unequivocally better than a 1 loss UW? A 2 loss PSU? I don't know. They didn't appear to be unequivocally better than NW and MSU here recently. It'll be close

Well I think they're unequivocally better than Washington, but you're right, there's no way to be sure. They're certainly unequivocally better than likely P5 winner Oklahoma, because they beat them in Norman.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Conference champions matter. Washington in, OSU out.

Washington could win out and win the PAC-12 CCG, while OSU could finish with the same one loss and not play in the B1G CG and would easily get in over Washington.

Washington best win is against Utah, who just lost to Oregon. Washington State was supposed to be a big game and they were beaten handily by Colorado dropping them to the bottom of the CFP 25, or even out of it.

 

[Shanemansj13]

OSU wouldn't be a one loss team if Penn St wins the B1G.

Yes they would. They could beat Michigan and have 1 loss, Penn St also has one loss in conference play.

But if you actually look at their resumes as a whole, Ohio St's would be better, with two more top 5-10 wins. Of course, Penn St would have the head-to-head win and conference championship.

 

[rmilia1]

Washington could win out and win the PAC-12 CCG, while OSU could finish with the same one loss and not play in the B1G CG and would easily get in over Washington.

Washington best win is against Utah, who just lost to Oregon. Washington State was supposed to be a big game and they were beaten handily by Colorado dropping them to the bottom of the CFP 25, or even out of it.

If UW wins out they'll have 3 top 25 wins and a conference title compared to OSU having 4 top 25 wins and no league title plus there's a distinct possibility that USC could end up being ranked higher at year's end than PSU which would give UW THE "better loss" even if not by much.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If Washington would win out they would have beaten a total of 2 top 25 teams: #21 Utah and #9 Colorado or #12 USC. Even with a conference title I just don't see that being a good enough resume honestly.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If UW wins out they'll have 3 top 25 wins and a conference title compared to OSU having 4 top 25 wins and no league title plus there's a distinct possibility that USC could end up being ranked higher at year's end than PSU which would give UW THE "better loss" even if not by much.

If we are going by years end then Washington could possibly have 1 top 25 win. Utah is 21 and if they lose vs Colorado they will be out of the rankings. So the only top 25 win UW would have is the Pac 12 championship, either Colorado or USC. That's a bad resume.

 

[rmilia1]

If we are going by years end then Washington could possibly have 1 top 25 win. Utah is 21 and if they lose vs Colorado they will be out of the rankings. So the only top 25 win UW would have is the Pac 12 championship, either Colorado or USC. That's a bad resume.

And Stanford... plus I doubt Utah drops to 21 in the playoff rankings. Probably 17 or 18

 

[The Q]

Is there a reason everyone is assuming OU is going to beat OK State?

Did I miss something?

 

[BigAppleBadger]

How are the playoff rankings so different from the AP? How is Utah as high as #12 after losing to Cal and Oregon? What did Stanford do to be ranked? They have only beaten two teams with a winning record, and the game against USC was before the Trojans figured their shit out. They finish the year against Rice.

edit: nevermind, I'm looking at last week's playoff rankings. I swear the new ones were announced already?

 

[gpm1976]

We just have to hope Michigan St plays their best game vs Penn St. If their defense plays like it did last Saturday, they have a shot. Ohio St needs to also play their best against Michigan or it is all for nothing.

MSU can do it, but it's going to be tough. Since the night PSU beat us, they've averaged over 45 points and game in offense. They're also pretty good at defending the run. If it's a nice day and MSU can effectively throw the ball, they can win it.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If UW wins out they'll have 3 top 25 wins and a conference title compared to OSU having 4 top 25 wins and no league title plus there's a distinct possibility that USC could end up being ranked higher at year's end than PSU which would give UW THE "better loss" even if not by much.

U realize Washington and Washington State play this week. There is no chance WSU is ranked with 4 losses (with one to Eastern Washington). The other win was Utah who is at 21 right now an they play Colorado on the road. A loss moves them out of the top 25.

Anyway you spin it -- Washington will have nowhere near the resume of OSU.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Is there a reason everyone is assuming OU is going to beat OK State?

Did I miss something?

If the Big 12 wants ANY chance to sneak a team in. OU better win. OSU lost to CENTRAL MICHIGAN. They are arguably the 5th best D-1 school in Michigan.

 

[The Q]

If the Big 12 wants ANY chance to sneak a team in. OU better win. OSU lost to CENTRAL MICHIGAN. They are arguably the 5th best D-1 school in Michigan.

But did they really?

 

[Shanemansj13]

TCU dropped from 3 to 6 after beating a team by 50....

That beat a bad team by 50 and they didn't have a great resume.