Jamie Collins, good trade or bad trade?

[Hank Kingsley]

Ok...I don't see how they got better now, but I hear ya.

They will play better. You watch. Fire lit under asses, will play better now.

Addition by subtraction.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

If BB thought he could reconcile whatever Collins has done, said or was doing, I'm sure he would have done it. I think Collins' freelancing had gotten beyond the point of redemption. The final nail was his decision to charge the gap on Gilisee's(?) 28 yard bolt. Collins "job" was to cut off the edge not slash through the Guard/Tackle gap. When he realized that he was already behind the runner, he compounded the error but sliding 15 feet on his ass.

Patricia took him out and subbed Elandon Roberts who immediately made 3 tackles. He put Collins back in and he decided to pay his own game again and Roberts pretty much played the remainder of the game. More importantly, did his "job".

Think whatever you want, Belichick gets paid $8M a year to win championships and not listen to media, fans or players. He does his "job". And he does it pretty well.

It's a topic Ken...no more no less...I think like him or hate him, you have to respect the man's body of work...it's unparalleled in this era.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Simple enough, do you think trading Jamie Collins was a good move or bad move for the Patriots?

I'm going with good trade. There is something more to this story behind the scenes. I'm thinking he was moved because he was an internal problem so they took what they could get to get him out of the locker room.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

I'm going with good trade. There is something more to this story behind the scenes. I'm thinking he was moved because he was an internal problem so they took what they could get to get him out of the locker room.

Ed Zachary and they will be the better for it.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Ed Zachary and they will be the better for it.

But can he play DE or Linbacker?

 

[TP76]

I just want the defense to improve... they've played substantially below expectations so far (with Collins)

guess we will see

 

[Hank Kingsley]

But can he play DE or Linbacker?

Ed is multifaceted....

 

[Broncos6482]

If BB thought he could reconcile whatever Collins has done, said or was doing, I'm sure he would have done it. I think Collins' freelancing had gotten beyond the point of redemption. The final nail was his decision to charge the gap on Gilisee's(?) 28 yard bolt. Collins "job" was to cut off the edge not slash through the Guard/Tackle gap. When he realized that he was already behind the runner, he compounded the error but sliding 15 feet on his ass.

Patricia took him out and subbed Elandon Roberts who immediately made 3 tackles. He put Collins back in and he decided to pay his own game again and Roberts pretty much played the remainder of the game. More importantly, did his "job".

Think whatever you want, Belichick gets paid $8M a year to win championships and not listen to media, fans or players. He does his "job". And he does it pretty well.

In other words, you think Belichick doesn't make mistakes and is above all criticism. Got it.

 

[Broncos6482]

I think maybe some Patriots fans are taking this the wrong way. No one is saying Belichick doesn't know what he's doing. At this point, his resume speaks for itself.

But that doesn't mean the man is perfect. He can make mistakes, too (like that gameplan in Miami last year). And based on what we know right now, this certainly doesn't seem like a good move.

 

[cdumler7]

I'm going to go with bad move. Maybe Collins was becoming a problem child with his freelancing but even just as a depth player he is a good one to have just in case injuries start to mount. The Patriots have an incredible opportunity to win a Super Bowl this year and rarely do we see teams with such Super Bowl aspirations trade such a valuable player for so little. So yes I'm sure something more was going on but I think Collins still will go on to be a valuable player in this league. Even on a down year he was still grading out as a good player and he was still great in coverage ranking as the 2nd best linebacker in the league in coverage. Hard to find those type of players.

 

[sonnyblack65]

I think maybe some Patriots fans are taking this the wrong way. No one is saying Belichick doesn't know what he's doing. At this point, his resume speaks for itself.

But that doesn't mean the man is perfect. He can make mistakes, too (like that gameplan in Miami last year). And based on what we know right now, this certainly doesn't seem like a good move.

Please don't mention onside kick up 14 to Philly ( loss) Defer in OT to Jets ( loss) Bad play calling vs Denver with 230 left up 7 and not making them use T/O's not 3 straight passes ( loss in OT) and Miami icing on cake. Your making me mad in Bill I have no clue

 

[cdumler7]

Please don't mention onside kick up 14 to Philly ( loss) Defer in OT to Jets ( loss) Bad play calling vs Denver with 230 left up 7 and not making them use T/O's not 3 straight passes ( loss in OT) and Miami icing on cake. Your making me mad in Bill I have no clue

Yeah I did start to question if Belichick had fallen and hit his head those last few weeks of the regular season last year. Some very strange moves indeed.

 

[redseat]

I vote too early to tell.. I mean it's not like the Patriots have played a game without him yet

 

[Broncos6482]

Please don't mention onside kick up 14 to Philly ( loss) Defer in OT to Jets ( loss) Bad play calling vs Denver with 230 left up 7 and not making them use T/O's not 3 straight passes ( loss in OT) and Miami icing on cake. Your making me mad in Bill I have no clue

No no no no, don't you realize Belichick is a genius and never makes mistakes?

In all seriousness, guy is a football genius and is the greatest coach of all time IMO. That doesn't mean everything he does is right, though. He may be a genius but he still makes mistakes. He just doesn't make them as often as most.

 

[tducey]

Bad trade if you ask me.

 

[Southieinnc]

Here's a strange story from Jamie Collins' tenure in New England

 

[redseat]

Here's a strange story from Jamie Collins' tenure in New England

 

[redseat]

BB reaction to the manicure

 

[Rockinkuwait]

I vote too early to tell.. I mean it's not like the Patriots have played a game without him yet

I agree... Bill makes his moves usually before the guy is done or about to get his monster deal. Lawyer Milloy was one (and he found Harrison to step in). McGinest, Seymour, Koppen, Revis, Moss, Law, Vrabel... Sometimes it leaves a hole, but for the most part it's a good move. Not many good Patriots players retire as Patriots players.

It's something Andy Reid does as well that I've seen. Rather let them go a year early than a year late.

 

[NEhomer]

dafauq did we need another thread for?