Rams clean house.

[Breed]

As did your GM in trading up with Fisher & company for RGIII.

How'd that work out for y'all?

Very nary.... I'd say.

10-6 record for an NFC East Title/1 and done in postseason year one. Went 14-34 over the next three years with double digit losses each year and finished in last place each year. Very nary indeed.

Your turn................

 

[Breed]

Some of y'all just forget all the damage Delaney and Martz left as a legacy.

When you have to use cardboard to cover your head at night, it's much harder to become the richest man in the world.

Just saying, he took over shit and 'yet' is the operative word in your sentence SE.

At least I hope........

We do have him for the next season, maybe he can prove himself this season but either way, he has never made such a bust trade deal as the Redskins did in the RGIII deal, maybe no one ever will. So for @Breed to be casting stones, he may want to look inward.

Casting stones? WTF are you talking about? You're not butthurt over what I said about Fisher are you?

 

[SeattleCoug]

Seriously, how does he still have a job?

I guess he made a Super Bowl 15 years ago so apparently he's great.

Even though the Rams constantly give the Seahawks fits, I am ok with them keeping 7 win Jeff for as long as they want.

 

[SeattleCoug]

As did your GM in trading up with Fisher & company for RGIII.

How'd that work out for y'all?

Very nary.... I'd say.

I mean sure the Redskins would go back if they could but they have at least won 2 division titles since that trade. The Rams, despite having all those picks havent gotten to 8 wins since.

 

[Oldschool739]

As long as we had Fisher it is not working out much for us either, sure we are more talented but are not winning yet.

I don't think fisher is a problem, we know he can coach from the Tenn teams he coached and he didn't just up and forget how to do it.....
I think that dirt bag DC Greg Williams is a problem because he has demonstrated that he has to cheat and play dirty to win, that let's you know he's not smart enough to do it clean and legal....
Ever hear the saying; 1 bad apple can spoil the whole bunch , it's true !!

 

[Breed]

We do have him for the next season, maybe he can prove himself this season but either way, he has never made such a bust trade deal as the Redskins did in the RGIII deal, maybe no one ever will. So for @Breed to be casting stones, he may want to look inward.

Heh. Maybe he'll prove himself next year eh. 21 years as a HC in the NFL already hasn't proven what he is yet? Overall he has 169 wins/156 losses for a winning percentage of .522. Has taken a team to the playoffs 6 times in 21 years going as far as the SB before eventually losing to the Rams. 5-6 in the playoffs for a winning percentage of .455 But if not for the the luckiest play in the history of postseason footbal, Music City Miracle, and I'm still not sure it was a legal play. That crappy 5-6 record would be an outright shitty 2-6 record.

If you wanna have a pissing match over who's the shittier HC, Fisher or Shanahan? There's a few Shanny fanboys who post in the Skins forum that will be your huckleberry. Its just a couple clicks away. Far as I'm concerned, Fisher sucks swollen blue whale nuts and Shanny sucks pus laden donkey balls.

And oh, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Fisher ran Eddie George into the ground and probably cut 5 years off Steve McNair's career. With his 3 yards and a cloud of dust offensive gamelan for 3 to 3.5 quarters. Now go out and win it for us Steve while you're getting your ass lit the fuck up as the defense is teeing off on you.

 

[SilverFalco8]

Lauranitus and Long would make a nice addition to teams needed defensive help. For example the Saints

 

[Battlelyon]

I mean sure the Redskins would go back if they could but they have at least won 2 division titles since that trade. The Rams, despite having all those picks havent gotten to 8 wins since.

Rams also has had the luck of playing in a much stronger division and have more wins since the trade.

 

[Vitamike]

Sorry Y'all, I had to run out....

Casting stones? WTF are you talking about? You're not butthurt over what I said about Fisher are you?

I mean sure the Redskins would go back if they could but they have at least won 2 division titles since that trade. The Rams, despite having all those picks havent gotten to 8 wins since.

First, Breed I am not butt hurt because Coach Jeff Fisher needs to step up, however I do think he is on the right track even if it has been the long road.

Second, to the both of you, we should at the very least consider the starting point for CJF to be fair, and that's my point.

Where are these great NFL leaders today that preceded Jeff Fisher?

Men like Jay Zygmunt, Mike Martz, Bill Devaney, Scott Linehan & Steve Spagnuolo?

Have they grown since leaving the Rams from their leadership roles they were provided?

Did they, at the very least help lift the Rams organization or did they help tear it down?

I'll give Martz a pass just for the Assistant role he played under Dick Vermeil but once he was in a leadership role, he too failed and drug the once proud Rams organization into the gutter to the lowest of lows along with the other men I mentioned to historic lows in all of sports.

With that in mind, I won't pin that on Jeff Fisher, he had a very low starting point and to this point and now has something to actually build on.

I think it's tough to stay the course of what is right, given the leagues 'win now' philosophy and I'm proud the Rams organization has stuck with him to this point.

That said, this is a turning point for the Rams and Jeff Fisher. He needs to win in 2016 and get the Rams to the playoffs or he has played his last card.

TBT in hindsight, Jeff would have been better off going to Miami, the Bradford injuries just killed the overall plan CJF had in mind IMO.

 

[SonnyCID]

6 winning seasons in 21 years. The most recent was in 2008.

 

[The Oldtimer]

I mean sure the Redskins would go back if they could but they have at least won 2 division titles since that trade. The Rams, despite having all those picks havent gotten to 8 wins since.

Do you think the Skins would have won those 2 division titles, if they were in the NFC West?

 

[Vitamike]

6 winning seasons in 21 years. The most recent was in 2008.

Maybe you're satisfied with 'winning seasons' but only the Broncos season matters in 2015, and if you're organization is not looking at the big picture, than who the hell cares is you have a winning season or not?

I won't forget just how far apart we were when Jeff Fisher took over the Rams as our Head Coach from that goal nor how he has built a young squad positioned to add just a couple of key players to actually play for Championships.

Yes we need a QB but so do a lot of teams. He and Les have built this team through the draft, saved on cap space to resign our young and talented veterans, and have added the 2014 defensive rookie of the year and the 2015 offensive rookie of the year. A young core, lots of cap space and the best record in one of the toughest Divisions in the NFL (NFC West) is hard to argue with unless you ONLY look at wins and losses.

The short comings at QB whether it be injury or misplace QB evaluation, have greatly challenged the overall successes Fisher and Snead have made over the last four seasons.

 

[Battlelyon]

If the Rams were in the NFC East, they would be the favorites.

 

[Vitamike]

In before @SonnyCID tells me about the lone Seahawks SB three seasons ago.

I say the Hawks got lucky drafting Wilson.

Had they known he would have been the player he turned out to be they would not have waited until the 3rd. round to draft him unless they were stupid.

I'll give you this much however Coach Pete, had the sense to let the guy compete. Luck for him there was not any real competition at the position or who the hell knows.

 

[SonnyCID]

In before @SonnyCID tells me about the lone Seahawks SB three seasons ago.

I say the Hawks got lucky drafting Wilson.

Had they known he would have been the player he turned out to be they would not have waited until the 3rd. round to draft him unless they were stupid.

I'll give you this much however Coach Pete, had the sense to let the guy compete. Luck for him there was not any real competition at the position or who the hell knows.

Why would I bring up the Seahawks in a this thread?

 

[SonnyCID]

Maybe you're satisfied with 'winning seasons' but only the Broncos season matters in 2015, and if you're organization is not looking at the big picture, than who the hell cares is you have a winning season or not?

I to don't buy in to that shit that there's 1 winner and 31 equal losers. I spent too many years of my life rooting for losing franchises to not appreciate even moderate success.

And yes, winning seasons is important and should be used when judging a coach. Especially one with 21 years of reference.

 

[Vitamike]

I to don't buy in to that shit that there's 1 winner and 31 equal losers. I spent too many years of my life rooting for losing franchises to not appreciate even moderate success.

And yes, winning seasons is important and should be used when judging a coach. Especially one with 21 years of reference.

Cam does not agree with this sentiment.

 

[Vitamike]

I to don't buy in to that shit that there's 1 winner and 31 equal losers. I spent too many years of my life rooting for losing franchises to not appreciate even moderate success.

And yes, winning seasons is important and should be used when judging a coach. Especially one with 21 years of reference.

I think you're missing my point....

There are coaches that are hired who MUST win now. Coach Jeff Fisher was not one of them. He was provided the opportunity to build a team for the long haul. One built through the draft, and that takes patience especially considering where the Rams were when Fisher took over the organization.

Strapped with the $$$ of the very last No. 1 pick prior to the CBA rookie contract of 2010, a butt load of over the hill or fringe (At best) vets, so both cap problems and roster youth and talent problems and an overall winning perception the team had carried since 2003.

That is a lot to overcome, and had Jeff found himself with a winning ticket on the QB sweepstakes like a few other teams, who knows where they might be at this point. Instead, one of the highest $$ cap hits on the Rams roster, took a direct hit on IR in two of his 4 years as the HC and no less at the QB spot. And let's not forget about all of the conflict with the ownership in Nashville that challenged his win percent.

 

[chf]

In before @SonnyCID
I say the Hawks got lucky drafting Wilson.

In some sense, sure.

And if that was Schneider's only hit, I'd be more inclined to agree. But it's not.

 

[Vitamike]

In some sense, sure.

And if that was Schneider's only hit, I'd be more inclined to agree. But it's not.

If Wilson was thought to be even close to the QB that he has become, there is now way any organization waits to the third round to draft him.

I do understand, at the time the Seahawks organization was criticized for drafting the 'short' QB in the third when Wilson was projected to go a round or so later, but that's beside the point.

If not luck chf, than why wouldn't an organization draft their franchise QB in the first round and not risk someone getting him before you get a second or in this case a third chance at him?

At the very least if you draft in the first, you get the guy for 5 years under the rookie contract, if you so choose.