Chip Kelly and Eagles to part ways after the season...

[GeekSportsFan]

In a different situation, with a stronger owner and GM, Kelly might have been a great hire. The problem is he had early success, got a big ego and wrested all the power in the organization--and messed it up.

Trying do both GM and HC is a tough road to be sure....not many have had success at both and lasted very long.

 

[GeekSportsFan]

The hindsight is all about 4-6. Look at each deal individually and you see a fairly strong record for Kelly the GM. I am more worried about Kelly the coach than Kelly the GM.

Byron Maxwell >> Carey Williams
Malcolm Jenkins >> whoever
Nate Thurmond >> Nate Allen
Jordan Hicks >> whoever
Brandon Graham >> Trent Cole (in 2015)
Darren Sproles >> any third RB
Zach Ertz >> whoever
Lane Johnson >> whoever
Every RG started > Herremans (in 2015)
Ryan Mathews >> just about any #2 back

DeMarco Murray = McCoy
Bradford > Foles, (but not Foles plus a 2)
Agholor (in 2015) < Maclin (arguably not a choice that Kelly made, Maclin made it)
Barbre = Mathis (in 2015, and shows up for work at much less money)
DJAX > Cooper (but one can argue that Maclin would not have extended if DJAX stayed). Maclin > DJAX

I think the Bradford is what sunk him. Bradford was an unproven, injury prone player and grabbing SB was a huge mistake. It was obvious then that the Eagles were going to be in trouble.

 

[Iggloo]

Explain how Byron Maxwell has been better than Cary Williams. He hasn't. The secondary is slightly better but because we finally found a second safety who can cover, to go with Jenkins. Maxwell has been an embarrassment as a tackler and has shown a notable lack of effort.

On Murray, he is simply a bad fit for our team, not a bad player, but very much overpaid.

On Bradford, he sucks, he is making a lot of money AND cost us what looks to be a draft pick about 40-45 overall. HUGE mistake.

That's really the problem in general with all these moves. It's not just that the players are underperforming. It's that we overpaid for them, in cap commitment or draft picks or both. Banner and Howie must be laughing their asses off at what a mess Chip made in just a few months.

 

[deerpathdave]

Explain how Byron Maxwell has been better than Cary Williams. He hasn't. The secondary is slightly better but because we finally found a second safety who can cover, to go with Jenkins. Maxwell has been an embarrassment as a tackler and has shown a notable lack of effort.

On Murray, he is simply a bad fit for our team, not a bad player, but very much overpaid.

That's really the problem in general with all these moves. It's not just that the players are underperforming. It's that we overpaid for them, in cap commitment or draft picks or both. Banner and Howie must be laughing their asses off at what a mess Chip made in just a few months.

Carey Williams has been benched by the same coach and team that Maxwell played for.

I don't disagree that Chip has overpaid in many cases. His focus has been on building a good team rather than managing a good budget. Which would not bother any of us if they weren't 4-6.

 

[old duke]

I don't think that Bradford was the worst mistake he made, as Foles has proven that he is not a good starting QB. It would have been better to trade for a good young backup, which would still have cost a 2nd round pick, but we might have been able to trade Foles to someone else. The biggest mistakes were trading Shady, and signing Maxwell. We could have kept Shady, and had Duce work with him on his penchant to dance too much, and sit him when he doesn't cooperate. When we lost Gore, we would still have Shady/Mathews/Sproles/Barner. And we could have still signed a lesser rated CB instead of Maxwell. I know, this is just hindsight, and the damage is done. I can't understand why Chip runs Murray on sweeps, when he wanted him to be a North/South runner, something he said Shady wouldn't do. Arrrgh!

 

[Iggloo]

If Chip had options and a ball sack he would bench Maxwell after these shameful attempts at tackling. He's one of the prime reasons B Dawk is going ballistic!

 

[deerpathdave]

If Chip had options and a ball sack he would bench Maxwell after these shameful attempts at tackling. He's one of the prime reasons B Dawk is going ballistic!

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lol. Antecdotal evidence. Carey Williams was benched by the same coach that started Maxwell. No question he is an upgrade. Was he the best choice? Hindsight can always find a better plan.

 

[Iggloo]

Have you considered the fact that:

A) Carroll let Maxwell go
B) Carroll has OPTIONS better than Carey Williams because his GM is competent

I am judging what Cary Williams did for US last year versus what Maxwell did for US this year. Pretty similar. Both are mediocre players who are overpaid. But one is greatly overpaid, like a top 10 corner, when he is in fact a #50 or so NFL corner at BEST.

 

[deerpathdave]

Have you considered the fact that:

A) Carroll let Maxwell go
B) Carroll has OPTIONS better than Carey Williams because his GM is competent

I am judging what Cary Williams did for US last year versus what Maxwell did for US this year. Pretty similar. Both are mediocre players who are overpaid. But one is greatly overpaid, like a top 10 corner, when he is in fact a #50 or so NFL corner at BEST.

lol. This "competent" GM spent $7M on a corner that got benched halfway through the season. As far as having options, Seattle finished the game with an UDFA safety playing the spot. Their other option is a 5th round rookie or a 6th round veteran nickel.

If Kelly wanted to bench Maxwell, he has a 2nd round draft pick waiting in the wings.

 

[deerpathdave]

Have you considered the fact that:

A) Carroll let Maxwell go
.

I always find it strange when a player who is a Free Agent leaves a team and people refer to it as the team "letting" him go. They don't seem to understand what the term "Free Agent" means. Carroll didn't "let" Maxwell go. He was outbid for his services.

Same thing applies to Jeremy Maclin. Kelly didn't "let" Maclin go. He was outbid for his services.

 

[Taz]

I always find it strange when a player who is a Free Agent leaves a team and people refer to it as the team "letting" him go. They don't seem to understand what the term "Free Agent" means. Carroll didn't "let" Maxwell go. He was outbid for his services.

Same thing applies to Jeremy Maclin. Kelly didn't "let" Maclin go. He was outbid for his services.

Nah Chip let Maclin go or at the very least misjudged the market for him. Maclin said he wanted to stay here, all they had to do was get him signed before he hit the open market. He didn't because he was too busy dealing away McCoy, Foles and overpaying for Maxwell all at the same time.

I will say this, letting Maclin go was the biggest cause and effect he did. By letting Maclin go he had to get a wide out in the first round. Not saying Agholor was the wrong choice but it forced them to go for need on round 1. Things could have been different maybe they get Byron Jones in round one instead of Agholor and go with a guy like Jake Fisher in round 2 instead of Rowe (not saying Rowe was a bad choice). In other words not resigning Maclin really hurt this team.

 

[deerpathdave]

Nah Chip let Maclin go or at the very least misjudged the market for him. Maclin said he wanted to stay here, all they had to do was get him signed before he hit the open market. He didn't because he was too busy dealing away McCoy, Foles and overpaying for Maxwell all at the same time.

I will say this, letting Maclin go was the biggest cause and effect he did. By letting Maclin go he had to get a wide out in the first round. Not saying Agholor was the wrong choice but it forced them to go for need on round 1. Things could have been different maybe they get Byron Jones in round one instead of Agholor and go with a guy like Jake Fisher in round 2 instead of Rowe (not saying Rowe was a bad choice). In other words not resigning Maclin really hurt this team.

I do agree that losing Maclin was a big hit and I agree with your analysis that it may have changed the draft as well. I don't agree that Maclin wanted to stay here. He is from Missouri and was comfortable with Andy Reid. I think he simply took the best offer from the two teams. Maclin while being a good guy, has also always been a good businessman.

 

[Iggloo]

Byron Maxwell: 6 years $63 million, $25 million guaranteed.

Cary Williams: 3 years, $18 million, $7 million guaranteed.

 

[old duke]

Byron Maxwell: 6 years $63 million, $25 million guaranteed.

Cary Williams: 3 years, $18 million, $7 million guaranteed.

Excellent point Iggy.

I do agree that losing Maclin was a big hit and I agree with your analysis that it may have changed the draft as well. I don't agree that Maclin wanted to stay here. He is from Missouri and was comfortable with Andy Reid. I think he simply took the best offer from the two teams. Maclin while being a good guy, has also always been a good businessman.

Actually, Maclin did say that he wanted to stay here, but he wasn't going to accept a lesser offer. We all would do the same.

 

[old duke]

I still have high hopes for Rowe, and I would bench Maxwell and give him a shot at starting after we are mathematically eliminated (I hope we still win the division, but need to win at least 4 more games). Most of had Rowe and Byron Jones rated about equal.

 

[Sparky]

The hindsight is all about 4-6. Look at each deal individually and you see a fairly strong record for Kelly the GM. I am more worried about Kelly the coach than Kelly the GM.

Byron Maxwell >> Carey Williams
Malcolm Jenkins >> whoever
Nate Thurmond >> Nate Allen
Jordan Hicks >> whoever
Brandon Graham >> Trent Cole (in 2015)
Darren Sproles >> any third RB
Zach Ertz >> whoever
Lane Johnson >> whoever
Every RG started > Herremans (in 2015)
Ryan Mathews >> just about any #2 back

DeMarco Murray = McCoy
Bradford > Foles, (but not Foles plus a 2)
Agholor (in 2015) < Maclin (arguably not a choice that Kelly made, Maclin made it)
Barbre = Mathis (in 2015, and shows up for work at much less money)
DJAX > Cooper (but one can argue that Maclin would not have extended if DJAX stayed). Maclin > DJAX

I agree with all this, the players are better, leave the money out of it for a second. Since the players are better the only way to explain coming out of a bye week to lose at home to Miami then get thumped by a rookie QB is that the HC has his mind on things other than his future in Philly. Pretty obvious to me. Fired or quits Chippy won't be our coach next year.

 

[skinzfan]

story on NFL insiders today about Kelly leaving. Reported an Eagles player told his agent Kelly has lost the team. No leaders on the team that were drafted by the team.

 

[ctc]

Carey Williams has been benched by the same coach and team that Maxwell played for.

I don't disagree that Chip has overpaid in many cases. His focus has been on building a good team rather than managing a good budget. Which would not bother any of us if they weren't 4-6.

The GM hasn't been doing any better. He's been overpaying for mediocre talent. While dumping talent and getting little in return

 

[L.Freamon]

Deerpathdave still in denial I see.

Bradford wasn't a bad deal?

Demarco Murray wasn't a bad deal?

Byron Maxwell wasn't a bad deal?

GTFO

I think dpd drinks.

 

[L.Freamon]

I do agree that losing Maclin was a big hit and I agree with your analysis that it may have changed the draft as well. I don't agree that Maclin wanted to stay here. He is from Missouri and was comfortable with Andy Reid. I think he simply took the best offer from the two teams. Maclin while being a good guy, has also always been a good businessman.

People have posted for you repeatedly that Maclin wanted to stay and you keep on with this bullshit. Either you're trolling or you're a moron. Or both.