Who had the easiest Title run during the BCS?

[Codaxx]

But you know as well as i do, on paper they weren't as good. Obviously paper doesn't always win games but thats all we have to go with in this discussion.

Auburn failed to beat a BCS team the previous year. Last year they had one loss and had a combination of two wins that would have to be the luckiest combination of wins ever seen.

Those are all facts that no other title game making team has. That makes Auburn not really as good as all of the other teams that have played in the title game, regardless of how well they did against FSU or any other one game scenario.

Luck and Auburn gets over played. Somehow the Bama game became complete luck. It was a tied game and Bama went for a 57 yard FG. Highly unlikely Bama was going to win in regulation. Auburn would have been favored to win in OT as the home team. Georgia was lucky, but I have seen kicked balls for TDs that got people to the title game.

 

[ckhokie]

You say played rank teams? Is that the criteria? So a team that plays 4 ranked teams with a best ranking of #22 is more impressive than playing #1 twice and a #5 Arkansas. Beating the hell out of two of them and losing in OT to another in their worst played game? That's 3 ranked teams with my math. Also, Penn St was in poll all year and fell out the last week. If a team enters the last week are they some feather in the arrow for some team counting as ranked? So much more to all this than just how many ranked teams did a team play!

I said beat ranked teams PAIRED with the fact that they didn't play a Conference Champ game, and got a refund against a team they lost to.

Read the entire post, don't just cherry pick.

 

[outofyourmind]

"Those are all facts that no other title game making team has. That makes Auburn not really as good as all of the other teams that have played in the title game."





I wouldn't quite take it that far. 2001 Nebraska and 2003 Oklahoma both got blown out in their conference championship games.

Actually, Nebraska didn't even play in the CCG in 2001.

 

[Bamabino]

Actually, Nebraska didn't even play in the CCG in 2001.

I stand corrected.

 

[FSUmanager]

But you know as well as i do, on paper they weren't as good. Obviously paper doesn't always win games but thats all we have to go with in this discussion.

Auburn failed to beat a BCS team the previous year. Last year they had one loss and had a combination of two wins that would have to be the luckiest combination of wins ever seen.

Those are all facts that no other title game making team has. That makes Auburn not really as good as all of the other teams that have played in the title game, regardless of how well they did against FSU or any other one game scenario.

What Auburn did in 2012 has absolutely no bearing on how they would have done in 2013. They absolutely SHREDDED the top 2 defensive teams against the run in the SEC. Those being Bama and Mizzou.

Trying to claim because of Bama not being prepared for a possible RETURNABLE FG does not make Auburn lucky. Just piss poor management by Bama. Auburn would give MANY of the teams in the BCS era fits because of the offense that they run. That is a fact. You know the same offense they use just 3 years prior to win the BCS NC. They could have shredded most of the BCS NC participants because of the AMOUNT of rushes and tempo. tOSU, UF, Miami, TN, VT, OU, TX, and so on would have a difficult time with that offense because of the amount of runs and the tempo used.

Also those 1 game scenarios is all ANY team has when you break down their season against the really good teams they played.

 

[The Authority]

"Those are all facts that no other title game making team has. That makes Auburn not really as good as all of the other teams that have played in the title game."





I wouldn't quite take it that far. 2001 Nebraska and 2003 Oklahoma both got blown out in their conference championship games.

You have to take it that far. No other title making team had all of the scenarios that I mentioned for Auburn.

I think maybe you are looking to make another argument. But as far as my statement it holds true.

 

[The Authority]

Luck and Auburn gets over played. Somehow the Bama game became complete luck. It was a tied game and Bama went for a 57 yard FG. Highly unlikely Bama was going to win in regulation. Auburn would have been favored to win in OT as the home team. Georgia was lucky, but I have seen kicked balls for TDs that got people to the title game.

Does that change the premise of the thread?





Nope.

 

[The Authority]

What Auburn did in 2012 has absolutely no bearing on how they would have done in 2013. They absolutely SHREDDED the top 2 defensive teams against the run in the SEC. Those being Bama and Mizzou.

Trying to claim because of Bama not being prepared for a possible RETURNABLE FG does not make Auburn lucky. Just piss poor management by Bama. Auburn would give MANY of the teams in the BCS era fits because of the offense that they run. That is a fact. You know the same offense they use just 3 years prior to win the BCS NC. They could have shredded most of the BCS NC participants because of the AMOUNT of rushes and tempo. tOSU, UF, Miami, TN, VT, OU, TX, and so on would have a difficult time with that offense because of the amount of runs and the tempo used.

Also those 1 game scenarios is all ANY team has when you break down their season against the really good teams they played.

Being able to hypothetically give team fits doesn't mean they weren't one of the weaker teams to make a bcs title game.

Any team on any day could hypothetically give team fits. I am just looking at what the team did on the field in its recent history compared to other opponents.

You can't say going 3 - 9 the previous year plays no part in what makes up that team the following year.

tell me another time its been done.

Its one thing to improve, its another to improve and have a tremendous amount of fortune on your side.

 

[ChicagoIrish]

I don't know about easiest path but I would have liked to play ND for the national championship for damn sure.

And I would have loved to play Auburn. . .

So what's your point?

 

[BamaTee1]

I said beat ranked teams PAIRED with the fact that they didn't play a Conference Champ game, and got a refund against a team they lost to.

Read the entire post, don't just cherry pick.

How many conferences didn't have title games, a good bit of the time, during the BCS era? But that's ok? You can word it any way you want but the two best teams played in 2011 and it wasn't an easy path! They still had to win that game. At the time LSU was being called maybe one of the best teams of all time. It showed the truth!!! 21-0

 

[potzer25]

Being able to hypothetically give team fits doesn't mean they weren't one of the weaker teams to make a bcs title game.

Any team on any day could hypothetically give team fits. I am just looking at what the team did on the field in its recent history compared to other opponents.

You can't say going 3 - 9 the previous year plays no part in what makes up that team the following year.

tell me another time its been done.

Its one thing to improve, its another to improve and have a tremendous amount of fortune on your side.

You are wrong.

Thread topic: Who had the easiest Title run during the BCS?

Auburn did not have the easiest title run. And even if they had won this year, it would not have been the EASIEST RUN by a BCS champion.

You are overplaying the amount of fortune AND getting the premise of the thread wrong.

QED: you are wrong.

 

[The Authority]

You are wrong.

Thread topic: Who had the easiest Title run during the BCS?

Auburn did not have the easiest title run. And even if they had won this year, it would not have been the EASIEST RUN by a BCS champion.

You are overplaying the amount of fortune AND getting the premise of the thread wrong.

QED: you are wrong.

You are wrong. My first post says that FSU had the easiest path not Auburn.

However playing Auburn in the title game is part of the reason for having that easiest path

 

[lilchi721]

First of all, who is discounting it. All I am saying is it was the easiest road out of all BCS champions.

Playing LSU in 2011 once was tougher than anything FSU had to do last year, let alone playing them twice.

Duke being Duke does make that road easier and Duke's recruiting is why they aren't considered that Great. Duke had a good year for their standards. But not the standards of most top teams. You have nothing to back up your argument. Whatever that argument is.

Duke was good because they didn't have to play Clemson and FSU on the other side in regular season play in '13.

 

[Wild Turkey]

And I would have loved to play Auburn. . .

So what's your point?

Your AD doesn't ND has turned down offers from Auburn for a home and home multiple times so I guess he doesn't feel we are worthy enough to kick your ass.

 

[lilchi721]

I go with LSU in '03

 

[FSUmanager]

Being able to hypothetically give team fits doesn't mean they weren't one of the weaker teams to make a bcs title game.

Any team on any day could hypothetically give team fits. I am just looking at what the team did on the field in its recent history compared to other opponents.

You can't say going 3 - 9 the previous year plays no part in what makes up that team the following year.

tell me another time its been done.

Its one thing to improve, its another to improve and have a tremendous amount of fortune on your side.

Tremendous amount of fortune? 2 single plays? That is a tremendous amount to you? If so then ok. And no the 3-9 team has no bearing on the 12-2 team considering they were COMPLETELY different teams with different coaching staffs who motivated their players.

 

[The Authority]

Tremendous amount of fortune? 2 single plays? That is a tremendous amount to you? If so then ok. And no the 3-9 team has no bearing on the 12-2 team considering they were COMPLETELY different teams with different coaching staffs who motivated their players.

Yes two single plays that won them games. Most teams have never experienced one of those types of plays in the history of their program let alone two of them in the same year.

They were not a COMPLETELY different team from the 3 - 9 one. There were a lot of the same players. probably at least 60% of the same players maybe more.

You already agreed with the premise. You are just splitting hairs once again at this point.

 

[potzer25]

You are wrong. My first post says that FSU had the easiest path not Auburn.

However playing Auburn in the title game is part of the reason for having that easiest path

Then I was wrong. I can't be bothered to read more than the most recent post.

lucky fsu then. They would have likely lost 1-2 games if they played a real schedule.

 

[FSUmanager]

Yes two single plays that won them games. Most teams have never experienced one of those types of plays in the history of their program let alone two of them in the same year.

They were not a COMPLETELY different team from the 3 - 9 one. There were a lot of the same players. probably at least 60% of the same players maybe more.

You already agreed with the premise. You are just splitting hairs once again at this point.

Splitting hairs because your assertion about Auburn is completely incorrect. The coaches make ALL the difference no matter the people on the roster from the previous year. Auburn of 2013, FSU of 2010(went 7-6 3 of the previous 4years before Jimbo took over and got 10 wins), tOSU of 2012 vs 2011, and so on. Too many examples to give that teams are not the same or even remotely the same with a complete coaching staff change. I will split those hairs every day of the week and twice on Sunday because the evidence corroborates my point.

And of those two plays. Only 1 was luck the catch against UGA. The kick return was not luck. Just piss poor management and decision by Saban which is rare. He should have had a SAFE FG package out there in case of a short kick(faster people on the edges). Especially considering the guy who kicked it is NOT the normal kicker.

 

[Codaxx]

Splitting hairs because your assertion about Auburn is completely incorrect. The coaches make ALL the difference no matter the people on the roster from the previous year. Auburn of 2013, FSU of 2010(went 7-6 3 of the previous 4years before Jimbo took over and got 10 wins), tOSU of 2012 vs 2011, and so on. Too many examples to give that teams are not the same or even remotely the same with a complete coaching staff change. I will split those hairs every day of the week and twice on Sunday because the evidence corroborates my point.

And of those two plays. Only 1 was luck the catch against UGA. The kick return was not luck. Just piss poor management and decision by Saban which is rare. He should have had a SAFE FG package out there in case of a short kick(faster people on the edges). Especially considering the guy who kicked it is NOT the normal kicker.

Not true. He does that a lot. I remember the same decision vs TExas in NC game (that led to Texas beign down 1 score late in the 4th) and how can anyone forget the LSU game prior to the NC game? Some reason Saban loves the long FG, which seems to be completely against everything else he does.