Colin Kaepernick vs. Joe Montana

[EKmane]

I have to wonder what is the ambiguity you read into the part of my prediction where I said "he won't catch Joe"?

Well the thread title is CK vs Joe. At that point you are turning it into a competition. I'm pointing out that you can't put the two in the same sentence right now. I'm also saying that Kaep will have to do some pretty amazing shit for you to ever be able to put the two names in the same sentence.

Understand?

 

[EKmane]

Good to see some west coast bros giving budweiser it's respect.

If you haven't yet, I recommend the budweiser platinum as well.

 

[JDM]

No too early!

Kaepernick can be compared favorably to Joe Montana through the 1980 season and with Young through the 1988 season, at least with the 49ers. What remains to be seen is the whole history. And while it maybe too early for you, in your opinion, to make comparisons, I will continue to do so if I want to, despite what names you call me.

If he went 400/400 for 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns, and went undefeated on his way to a blowout Super Bowl victory, it would still be too early to say his name seriously in a sentence with joe Montana.

 

[threelittleturds]

Why do you think he'll rewrite the record books? I don't think he has much of a chance. Favre, Manning, Marino put up passing stats in yards and TDs that Kaepernick will probably never touch... because all those guys could do was pass, Kaepernick will run for yards and TDs and because he does that he'll never beat out those guys in passing stats.

Edit: Brady and Rodgers too... eventually.

 

[NinerSickness]

Why do you think he'll rewrite the record books? I don't think he has much of a chance. Favre, Manning, Marino put up passing stats in yards and TDs that Kaepernick will probably never touch

That's why I asked "which records" because Kaep has little to no chance at the career totals. He's older than Matt Stafford.

The career totals are a terrible barometer for a QB's career though.

 

[JDM]

That's why I asked "which records" because Kaep has little to no chance at the career totals. He's older than Matt Stafford.

The career totals are a terrible barometer for a QB's career though.

Brett Favre holding all the records pretty clearly demonstrates that.

 

[aarrgghh]

Why do you think he'll rewrite the record books? I don't think he has much of a chance. Favre, Manning, Marino put up passing stats in yards and TDs that Kaepernick will probably never touch... because all those guys could do was pass, Kaepernick will run for yards and TDs and because he does that he'll never beat out those guys in passing stats.

Edit: Brady and Rodgers too... eventually.

Look at what he's done already:

The only quarterback to surpass 10,000 yards passing and 4,000 rushing in NCAA history.
Biggest comback in an NFC championship game by a QB and almost greatest comeback in any Super Bowl.
most rushing yards by any quarterback in any game.
most rushing yards in the playoffs by any 49er.
(probably) most rushing touchdowns of greater than 50 yards by any quarterback (if not already, he'll have it soon).

While I agree he will not likely make a run at most passing yards ever, or most TD passes, or maybe even not most rushing yards by a quarterback, in the 10 games he's played so far, he's given a pretty good indicator that he has potential to do some amazing things.

That's what I mean by rewriting the record books.

 

[ZepTepi]

Gosh guys, and I mean both Boston Troll and JDM. You're wrong on so many levels. If I was much more patient I would explain, but I suspect you are good at misunderstanding stuff.

Boston troll? I think you have a much different definition of "troll" than most of the rest of us do. Anyone from any other fan base who comes onto this board and expresses an opinion isn't automatically a troll.

Personally, I don't think comparing CK to Kap at this point in Kaps career is a sensible thing to do but I respect your right to your opinion. Where you lose me is when you can't seem to handle criticism of your opinion by fellow posters. If I voice my opinion about something here I don't expect everyone to agree and those with a difference of opinion are welcome to voice said opinion. I only expect them to do so respectfully.

 

[threelittleturds]

That's why I asked "which records" because Kaep has little to no chance at the career totals. He's older than Matt Stafford.

The career totals are a terrible barometer for a QB's career though.

I know. Do you remember the crazy project I did on the old ESPN boards before the format change and the exodus to SportsHoopla? I took Joe Montana's stats at 192 games and compared them to Marino, Elway, and Favre at 192 games. I think I even included Young and Aikman, even though they were both around 160 games for their career. Kind of comparable to what you did for Young.

Anyway, at the same amount of games played they were all mostly identical. There was no drastic level of superiority. Which obviously exists when you take his 192 games compared to the like 234 for Elway, 242 for Marino, and over 300 for Favre.

The bottom line was, the more games you play the better career stats you put up.

 

[aarrgghh]

Boston troll? I think you have a much different definition of "troll" than most of the rest of us do. Anyone from any other fan base who comes onto this board and expresses an opinion isn't automatically a troll.

Personally, I don't think comparing CK to Kap at this point in Kaps career is a sensible thing to do but I respect your right to your opinion. Where you lose me is when you can't seem to handle criticism of your opinion by fellow posters. If I voice my opinion about something here I don't expect everyone to agree and those with a difference of opinion are welcome to voice said opinion. I only expect them to do so respectfully.

I absolutely agree. I respect anyone's right to disagree with what I think (although it may be too much to ask, try to entertain the possibility that there may be a difference between what I say and what you think I say) and finally, where you lose me is when you tell me how stupid, what an idiot or troll I am. I am none of those.

 

[JDM]

I didn't say you were stupid. I said putting Kaepernick in the same sentence as Montana under any circumstance is stupid. I called you a troll because of how you reacted to that.

 

[tallglassofwater007]

I absolutely agree. I respect anyone's right to disagree with what I think (although it may be too much to ask, try to entertain the possibility that there may be a difference between what I say and what you think I say) and finally, where you lose me is when you tell me how stupid, what an idiot or troll I am. I am neither.

So you say you respect anyones right to disagree, but the second someone did you tell them to fuck off. I think you lost people because at that point. Getting super defensive about things is the wrong way to go about a forum, and especially this one. When you come out with something really out there and bold, like this thread, you have to be able to accept that you are going to get some shit for it. And if you have no real reason for backing up the claim (aside from your word and some college stats) you are going to get more shit. Trust me.. I started a thread on the dreaded forums about wanting Taylor Mays in the first round. It didn't go well, but in my defense it was before his senior year.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Look at what he's done already:

The only quarterback to surpass 10,000 yards passing and 4,000 rushing in NCAA history.
Biggest comback in an NFC championship game by a QB and almost greatest comeback in any Super Bowl.
most rushing yards by any quarterback in any game.
most rushing yards in the playoffs by any 49er.
(probably) most rushing touchdowns of greater than 50 yards by any quarterback (if not already, he'll have it soon).

While I agree he will not likely make a run at most passing yards ever, or most TD passes, or maybe even not most rushing yards by a quarterback, in the 10 games he's played so far, he's given a pretty good indicator that he has potential to do some amazing things.

That's what I mean by rewriting the record books.

You assume too much. Do you assume that the read option/pistol offense will never be figured out? Do you assume that Kaep will never suffer a serious injury, even though QBs that run usually get hurt at some point in their career? RGIII proves that running too much can have a negative affect on your health. There are too many unknowns to predict anything at this point when Kaep is concerned. We need a broader spectrum before we can make an actual observation on his future. That is where I take issue.

 

[aarrgghh]

Well the thread title is CK vs Joe. At that point you are turning it into a competition. I'm pointing out that you can't put the two in the same sentence right now. I'm also saying that Kaep will have to do some pretty amazing shit for you to ever be able to put the two names in the same sentence.

Understand?

I understand alright. Understand this:

You don't want to entertain (or allow me to entertain) comparisons between Joe Montana and Kaepernick, or Montana, or Montana and Young, or Montana, Kaepernick, Young, Garcia, or Jeff Kemp? That's fine with me. Send me the rule book so I'll know what's ok and not ok by you. It's not fair to hold me to imaginary standards until you define them clearly.

OK, I wasn't being serious. Now I am. Don't tell me what to talk about and I'l do you the same courtesy.

 

[Flyingiguana]

I'm not angry. Just not a Steve Young fan. And while I'm at it, why don't you F.O.? Do you know what that means?

the niners had huge cap issues or young would have won a few more

 

[JDM]

The standard is there is no acceptable context to compare one of the greatest ever to a guy who's played less than a season.

None. No possible way. At all.

 

[threelittleturds]

Look at what he's done already:

The only quarterback to surpass 10,000 yards passing and 4,000 rushing in NCAA history.
Biggest comback in an NFC championship game by a QB and almost greatest comeback in any Super Bowl.
most rushing yards by any quarterback in any game.
most rushing yards in the playoffs by any 49er.
(probably) most rushing touchdowns of greater than 50 yards by any quarterback (if not already, he'll have it soon).

While I agree he will not likely make a run at most passing yards ever, or most TD passes, or maybe even not most rushing yards by a quarterback, in the 10 games he's played so far, he's given a pretty good indicator that he has potential to do some amazing things.

That's what I mean by rewriting the record books.

Well, that biggest comeback in the NFC Championship game wasn't all CK. I'm like ridiculously against the idea that QBs are responsible for success alone, so, we'll just have to agree to disagree.. haha, I'll never change my stance.

Nobody enjoyed that record setting day against Green Bay more than I did in the Divisional round. I was like, oh he's pretty good I like him, and then he beat those fuckers and I was like.. full-on homer, GOAT GOAT.. which got checked in the SB loss.

I think he has the chance to beat out some team records, but, his ability to run will naturally decrease his passing stats. Look at this year, 10 passing TDs and 5 rushing in half a year. Being overly generous, 20 passing TDs a year with 10 rushing TDs each year won't get him too far up that stats ladder.

Edit: It will more than likely get the 49ers a lot of wins, but he won't be leading the league in stats

 

[aarrgghh]

You assume too much. Do you assume that the read option/pistol offense will never be figured out? Do you assume that Kaep will never suffer a serious injury, even though QBs that run usually get hurt at some point in their career? RGIII proves that running too much can have a negative affect on your health. There are too many unknowns to predict anything at this point when Kaep is concerned. We need a broader spectrum before we can make an actual observation on his future. That is where I take issue.

An awful lot of you guys on this board seem to have clear ideas on what I should not say and I'm beginning to tire of it. I don't care if you take issue with my predictions, but I will not long continue being shouted down. You can get rid of me. Easily.

 

[JDM]

You're the person who told one of your fellow fans to fuck off for disagreeing with you. The least civil person here has been you.

 

[RoboticDreams]

The standard is there is no acceptable context to compare one of the greatest ever to a guy who's played less than a season.

None. No possible way. At all.

Thank you. This entire thread is preposterous. Yes we need eye catching posts but this is over the top. It's not even worthy of discussion but since it was brought up, I feel obligated to shoot it down.