Gman
Well-Known Member
In a benevolent multiverse governed by a just God, Jayson #GOATum win the the MVP every year for the next dozen years.
It doesn’t happen that often at all. There are never any more than 2-3 players each season who are legit candidates for MVP based on play on the court. It’s uncommon for that player to not win because of injuries and games missed.
Because of injury. Jokic is a great player. It’s no shame being a player less than the best big in the game.You trying to give an asterisk to Jokic looks like sour grapes and an attempt to diminish his accomplishment.
When the reality is that Embiid’s 2023 MVP win had him missing significantly more games than any other MVP in the last 45 years.
And you want to make it sound like he was somehow more deserving than Jokic the years Joker won?
Please.
It is a 1A and 1B type situation anyway. Neither was ever very far ahead of the other. Missed games going to be the deciding factor when it is close as it has been throughout league history.
Embiid hasn’t even played half the games this year. With or without the 65 game rule he isn’t a factor in the debate this year.
Because of injury. Jokic is a great player. It’s no shame being a player less than the best big in the game.
All you’re doing is agreeing with meReason Joker going to be up 3-1 in MVP count is because Embiid can’t stay on the court.
The entire crux of this conversation is him trying to say Doncic has Kyrie and Jokic doesn't have anyone similar. Which is what led us here.
That's a laughably bad take in an effort to score points in an MVP debate.
Murray has clearly had as much impact on success as Kyrie in the last five years.
Same in the heat series but nah he ain’t goodI don't watch the Nugs a lot, but I've watched them beat the Lakers 4 straight in last seasons WCF and 3 times this season. Imo, in just about every one of those games, the difference has been Murray. He's the one guy that they have not been able to hold down.
Even in games where his numbers have been relatively pedestrian, he's the one that seems to hit the big shots when they need them.
I don't watch the Nugs a lot, but I've watched them beat the Lakers 4 straight in last seasons WCF and 3 times this season. Imo, in just about every one of those games, the difference has been Murray. He's the one guy that they have not been able to hold down.
Even in games where his numbers have been relatively pedestrian, he's the one that seems to hit the big shots when they need them.
Fuck him. I told him to return after ThursdayI’ll believe it when I see it but radio is saying Embiid back tomorrow night.
If someone maintains that opinion that means they don’t respect two way play. That’s their right but I disagree.No I’m not.
You taking 1 part of my quote out of context.
Embiid is not the superior player you make him out to be.
It is very debatebale who is better overall.
Heat and Sixers are likely locked into 7-8 game. Only thing to determine is who gets the home game.Fuck him. I told him to return after Thursday
I’ll believe it when I see it but radio is saying Embiid back tomorrow night.
So Jamal Murray wins this argument? That makes sense. I get why you totally ignored my point. You like to maintain that you value two way play but when the rubber meets the road the truth comes out.You had a leg to stand on before Denver won a title last season.
You don’t anymore.
Not really. Heat can pass Orlando or Indiana if they go on an epic 6-2 run to end the year but the schedule this week suggests that’s unlikely to happen lolHeat and Sixers are likely locked into 7-8 game. Only thing to determine is who gets the home game.
So Jamal Murray wins this argument? That makes sense. I get why you totally ignored my point. You like to maintain that you value two way play but when the rubber meets the road the truth comes out.
They upgraded cast around him but it's still not on par with Denver's supporting cast.Absolutely
So to say Doncic has a substantially better supporting cast is hilarious.
Jokic is a phenomenal player. But as of today im going with SGA or Luka for my vote.
And the gap between Joker and Embiid as defensive players both as individuals and in the context of the role they play in a team defensive framework is a vast vast gap. The gap between Jokic and Embiid offensively is miniscule. They dominate offensively in different ways.I do absolutely value 2 way play.
We have been down this road many times.
What you fail to acknowledge is that as good as Embiid is offensively, Jokic is better.
Is it though? This is the benefit of seeing what happens when Embiid misses games. The Sixers have played .765 ball with Embiid this year and .341 ball without Embiid.And it is impossible to quantify just how much each players advantages over the other impact their teams and winning games.