Eagles Declined Nick Foles Trade for Browns 35th pick This Last Draft

[jarntt]

Or you might want to re-read the post I responded to (which only talked about those seasons)... which easily explains why I did not list 2017 (or 2015-2016).

You mean the post that start with
"True, but 2013 is still his only good year as a pro. He didn't do anything in 2012 or 2014 in Philly, either. He's a perfect backup QB but his ability to start a whole year is still a big question mark. Not the type of player you give up a high 2nd for."

you don't think bringing up the point that the guy won a SB is making a case for having more than one good year or that he may be more than a "backup QB" or worth a high second"? It's almost the the only reason. You touched on one aspect and missed the big picture. His career was questioned. That is certainly your prerogative but the reason I said what I said...oh...and also and probably mostly...because I thought it was funny...

 

[jarntt]

I think we are good at receiver. Little concerned at LBer depth but we have two studs and only play 2 Lbers 70% of snaps (problem is Hicks is ALWAYS hurt) I actually really wanted who Dallas grabbed with their first. Alshon as the lead, Wallace to spread the field, Agholor in the slot and Ertz and the rookie at TE. Works for me. We need a young LT and DE... and CB, but who doesn’t need a good young CB?

I'll say about Wallace what I said about Smith. He stinks IMO. I hope he gets a lot of snaps. Love Ertz and Alshon.

 

[ericd7633]

Lol at claiming Goedert was a first round talent. Nobody had him on their round one board

Lmao. I just saw 3 mocks that had Goedert in the 1st round .

 

[jarntt]

Lmao. I just saw 3 mocks that had Goedert in the 1st round .

Mocks? Well, that proves your case...
I'm thinking he meant no NFL teams had him as a first rounder on their board. You can always find a dope with a mock saying anything but it doesn't make it true...
Truth be told for all we now every single NFL team could have had him as a first rounder and just liked someone else better when they were on the clock. I doubt it, but could be...

 

[ericd7633]

Mocks? Well, that proves your case...
I'm thinking he meant no NFL teams had him as a first rounder on their board. You can always find a dope with a mock saying anything but it doesn't make it true...
Truth be told for all we now every single NFL team could have had him as a first rounder and just liked someone else better when they were on the clock. I doubt it, but could be...

I figured he meant people who cover the draft because how in the hell are we going to know what the teams think? Point is he was projected by some as a 1st rounder.

 

[handicappers]

Lmao. I just saw 3 mocks that had Goedert in the 1st round .

lmao...every team passed on him in the first round. Point is, he's not a first round player.

 

[ericd7633]

lmao...every team passed on him in the first round. Point is, he's not a first round player.

We'll find out with his performance whether he is or not. My point was there were multiple people who had him as a 1st round talent. Obviously we don't know where he ranked on team specific boards. And he's a TE, so not exactly a premium position. Just look at the best TE's in the league.

 

[jarntt]

I figured he meant people who cover the draft because how in the hell are we going to know what the teams think? Point is he was projected by some as a 1st rounder.

I like Goedert. I'm very, very happy that Dallas didn't take him and I don't love the pick for Philly either because I think Ertz is fantastic RECEIVING TE and even though they play multiple TEs you don't need two fantastic receiving TEs. I think Philly would be better off with a more accomplished blocker and I also think there were players out there that I think were both better and more of a need. But I do think he is going to be good player and that fucker is probably going to catch a TD or two against us year 1...

 

[ericd7633]

I like Goedert. I'm very, very happy that Dallas didn't take him and I don't love the pick for Philly either because I think Ertz is fantastic RECEIVING TE and even though they play multiple TEs you don't need two fantastic receiving TEs. I think Philly would be better off with a more accomplished blocker and I also think there were players out there that I think were both better and more of a need. But I do think he is going to be good player and that fucker is probably going to catch a TD or two against us year 1...

I have come to trust the eagles FO since Chip left. They've made some great decisions in FA and the draft/using draft assets, in the last couple seasons.

 

[DutchBird]

You mean the post that start with
"True, but 2013 is still his only good year as a pro. He didn't do anything in 2012 or 2014 in Philly, either. He's a perfect backup QB but his ability to start a whole year is still a big question mark. Not the type of player you give up a high 2nd for."

you don't think bringing up the point that the guy won a SB is making a case for having more than one good year or that he may be more than a "backup QB" or worth a high second"? It's almost the the only reason. You touched on one aspect and missed the big picture. His career was questioned. That is certainly your prerogative but the reason I said what I said...oh...and also and probably mostly...because I thought it was funny...

Frankly not by itself, because he did not come close to playing something of a whole season.

Week 14: Came in in the 2nd half. Did well enough to lead the Eagles to a comeback, but nothing exceptional.

Week 15: First full game. He was not good, more or less average.

Week 16: He was plain bad

Week 17: Meaningless game in which he played a few series, with back-ups, and was not good.

Div. playoffs: Started out rusty, came into his own during the game, but not special.

Championship game and SB: Played out of his mind, as good or better than in his one good complete season (the 27 TD - 2 INT).

So, 2017 was incomplete. And for quite a few games he looked bad; not in the least because the final games of the regular season were his preseason (he was out with injury during the 'regular' preseason). Also, Pederson had not tweaked the offense towards Foles (something he did after the regular season).

So, Foles' 2017 numbers suffer in many ways from idential problems as his 2012 and 2014 season.

Overall, I think Foles has shown enough that he can be a decent to good starter in this league if put in the right offense with the right supporting cast (not necessarily super stars). But is he something special? No. Makes how good he is him good enough for a high 2nd rounder or more? Based on what the league has shown to pay for others who I consider worse, then yeah, he is.

 

[jarntt]

Frankly not by itself, because he did not come close to playing something of a whole season.

Week 14: Came in in the 2nd half. Did well enough to lead the Eagles to a comeback, but nothing exceptional.

Week 15: First full game. He was not good, more or less average.

Week 16: He was plain bad

Week 17: Meaningless game in which he played a few series, with back-ups, and was not good.

Div. playoffs: Started out rusty, came into his own during the game, but not special.

Championship game and SB: Played out of his mind, as good or better than in his one good complete season (the 27 TD - 2 INT).

So, 2017 was incomplete. And for quite a few games he looked bad; not in the least because the final games of the regular season were his preseason (he was out with injury during the 'regular' preseason). Also, Pederson had not tweaked the offense towards Foles (something he did after the regular season).

So, Foles' 2017 numbers suffer in many ways from idential problems as his 2012 and 2014 season.

Overall, I think Foles has shown enough that he can be a decent to good starter in this league if put in the right offense with the right supporting cast (not necessarily super stars). But is he something special? No. Makes how good he is him good enough for a high 2nd rounder or more? Based on what the league has shown to pay for others who I consider worse, then yeah, he is.

I'm not sure which week it was (I think it was his first full game) but I remember he was fantastic one week. I think he had 4 or 5 TDs and no Ints. Doesn't look like that is covered in any of your descriptions above

 

[DutchBird]

I'm not sure which week it was (I think it was his first full game) but I remember he was fantastic one week. I think he had 4 or 5 TDs and no Ints. Doesn't look like that is covered in any of your descriptions above

It was the game against New York, but frankly I think the stats flattered him (4 TDs, no INT's, but only 237 yards). Frankly I do not think he looked that good that game. Most Eagles were confident in Foles after the Rams game, OK after the Giants (not good, but still four TD's), and seriously worried after the Raiders game), the question being whether the defense and the running game (and ST) were good enough to make up for Foles being mweeh (at best).

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Lmao. I just saw 3 mocks that had Goedert in the 1st round .

This was also an extremely weak TE draft by most people's (or at least in draftnik world) estimation. Not a great endorsement of the class when an average TE athlete goes TE1 and is like 25.

 

[Manster7588]

We'll find out with his performance whether he is or not. My point was there were multiple people who had him as a 1st round talent. Obviously we don't know where he ranked on team specific boards. And he's a TE, so not exactly a premium position. Just look at the best TE's in the league.

I'm thinking you'll find many of those experts you're citing had William's higher, so I take it you think Dallas made the right pick.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Giants are winning the NFC East

 

[ericd7633]

I'm thinking you'll find many of those experts you're citing had William's higher, so I take it you think Dallas made the right pick.

If Dallas filled a need and he was rated high it would appear they made a good pick.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I'll say about Wallace what I said about Smith. He stinks IMO. I hope he gets a lot of snaps. Love Ertz and Alshon.

They spread the field though. They aren’t big time weapons to rely on but he does what he needs to do. You don’t need a stud at every position.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Lol at claiming Goedert was a first round talent. Nobody had him on their round one board

 

[jarntt]

They spread the field though. They aren’t big time weapons to rely on but he does what he needs to do. You don’t need a stud at every position.

No you don't, but I rather use the spot on a dirt cheap UDFA or at least younger guy to do the same instead of a guy on his last legs that may already be done that cost $4M per year. one of the things that worried me most about Philly as a Cowboy fan was how they were set up for the long run. Now it seems they are making decisions to go all in this year instead, which I think is a mistake.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

No you don't, but I rather use the spot on a dirt cheap UDFA or at least younger guy to do the same instead of a guy on his last legs that may already be done that cost $4M per year. one of the things that worried me most about Philly as a Cowboy fan was how they were set up for the long run. Now it seems they are making decisions to go all in this year instead, which I think is a mistake.

I don’t cause once Wentz gets his new contract you have to blow it all up and start over anyway. Wallace seemed like the perfect 1 year signing to me. He has a limited but important role. We do have a guy Mac Hollins who showed some promise last year by I think coach likes pure speed guys as his 2