POLL So who wins the B1G in 2018?

[Across The Field]

Your an OSU fan. You have no basis to criticize anyone considering your massively bias in this. I live in PA, aka B1G country. I get the B1G network. I have seen both play. One , waaay more than the other.

When did I ever say MSU and OSU defenses were different? What are you even talking about there? Do you actually read what you type?

You are arguing a guy who has never started a B1G game and has only seen mop up duty is better than a guy that has actually started and out up some decent stats for the type of offense he is in. Your argument shows a lack of being anything but biased for Ohio State. I guess that’s ATF logic at its finest.

...is this serious? Here is a direct copy and paste from your previous quote: "An lol at you trying to compare stats all the while totally ignoring MSU offense being different from OSUs."

*EDIT* FFS, it was a typo on my part. Their OFFENSES being different means nothing when trying to say Lewerke is automatically better.

Yes I am arguing that, and I will be right. You do understand starting 1 season doesn't instantly make you better than someone else, don't you?

 

[Across The Field]

...and to think you chastised me when I referred to this B1G QB competition as the "tallest midget"!

Haha I know, 2018 is not going to be the year of the QB in the B1G. I'm more pointing out that it's not like the B1G hasn't put out top end talent in the past.

 

[7Samurai13]

...is this serious? Here is a direct copy and paste from your previous quote: "An lol at you trying to compare stats all the while totally ignoring MSU offense being different from OSUs."

*EDIT* FFS, it was a typo on my part. Their OFFENSES being different means nothing when trying to say Lewerke is automatically better.

Yes I am arguing that, and I will be right. You do understand starting 1 season doesn't instantly make you better than someone else, don't you?

But playing a good quarter and a half instantly makes someone the best quarterback in the conference.

 

[Across The Field]

But playing a good quarter and a half instantly makes someone the best quarterback in the conference.

Where did I say that exactly? Also if he's throwing the ball 57 times in a quarter and a half, that's going to be a fun offense to watch.

 

[7Samurai13]

If Patterson is eligible, neither of those two will make the top 2, and maybe not even the top 3.

Where did I say that exactly? Also if he's throwing the ball 57 times in a quarter and a half, that's going to be a fun offense to watch.

Or are you saying that there are three other quarterbacks better?

 

[Across The Field]

Or are you saying that there are three other quarterbacks better?

What does that have to do with anything? Your post said that I somewhere said that playing a quarter and a half instantly makes someone the best QB. I never did. Show me where I did.

 

[7Samurai13]

What does that have to do with anything? Your post said that I somewhere said that playing a quarter and a half instantly makes someone the best QB. I never did. Show me where I did.

I showed you where you said he is the best quarterback in the conference. You have seen a quarter and a half of him against a live defense and you are crowning him the best quarterback in the conference. Are you seriously that dense?

 

[Across The Field]

I showed you where you said he is the best quarterback in the conference. You have seen a quarter and a half of him against a live defense and you are crowning him the best quarterback in the conference. Are you seriously that dense?

Again, do you know what you're saying? 57 pass attempts in a quarter and a half? That's 2+ games worth of passes.

I'm saying he's going to be the best QB in the conference because I actually know about him as a QB. I've followed him since he was a recruit, and have been touting him since before last season even. He's got probably the strongest arm in the conference, and he has touch. He's smart and knows how to go through his progressions. He displayed this ability quite a bit this season. There's a reason basically every single top team in the nation offered him a scholarship. He's a special talent.

However - I've never, not once, said a quarter and a half of play is why he's the best QB in the conference.

 

[7Samurai13]

Again, do you know what you're saying? 57 pass attempts in a quarter and a half? That's 2+ games worth of passes.

I'm saying he's going to be the best QB in the conference because I actually know about him as a QB. I've followed him since he was a recruit, and have been touting him since before last season even. He's got probably the strongest arm in the conference, and he has touch. He's smart and knows how to go through his progressions. He displayed this ability quite a bit this season. There's a reason basically every single top team in the nation offered him a scholarship. He's a special talent.

However - I've never, not once, said a quarter and a half of play is why he's the best QB in the conference.

What part of “you are basing it on a quarter and a half” is tough to you? If he is going to be throwing 60-70 passes a game, you are not going to be running the ball very much. So you won’t be getting nearly the running yards that you are expecting. Or are you going to be getting 120 offensive plays a game?

 

[Across The Field]

What part of “you are basing it on a quarter and a half” is tough to you? If he is going to be throwing 60-70 passes a game, you are not going to be running the ball very much. So you won’t be getting nearly the running yards that you are expecting. Or are you going to be getting 120 offensive plays a game?

None of what you said makes any sense.

Again, I never said anything about a quarter and a half of play. I have no idea where you got that from, or why you made it up. We're not throwing it 60-70 times a game. He had 57 passes this year, so he obviously played a LOT more than a quarter and a half.

You are very confused. I'm thinking you realized you were wrong and are now just spiraling.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

And you're not comparing apples to apples here. Cardale replaced JT after he had played for one year, and it was a nearly neck and neck QB competition vs one QB who won 11/12 games the year before and another who led us on a run through 3 highly ranked teams on the way to a NC. Do you not understand the difference between that and replacing a 3 year starter with a RS Freshman who hasn't taken a snap yet? Seriously?

Also, Weber was a decent RB who started for 1 year. He would've started but was hurt at the start of the season, so Dobbins stepped in and lit it up from Day 1. If Barrett was injured to start the year and missed several games and Haskins came in and lit it up like that, there's a real chance Haskins might have held on to the spot.

Again, you've really got to understand your comparisons and think them through before just blurting them out. Cardale/Barrett and Dobbins/Weber were just not even in the same ballpark as Barrett/Haskins.

No, I'm not waiting until he starts ONE game. He's the best QB in the B1G. If you don't like it, too fucking bad.

Do you actually believe the excuses you make up as you go? The ‘one year’ Barrett had was almost 3000 yards passing, 1000 rushing and 34 touchdowns. He was named 1st team all-B1G, quarterback of the Year and 3rd team All-American. Weber ran for over 1,000 yards, was the B1G freshman of the year and 2nd team All-Big.

You want to know why they lost their starting jobs? Because Meyer thought someone else was more talented and gave OSU a better chance to win. PERIOD.

If Haskins were more talented and Meyer felt he was the better QB, HE WOULD HAVE PLAYED HIM OVER BARRETT, just like he did with Dobbins over Weber and Cardale over Barrett. And if they were remotely close — Haskins would have started against Wisconsin. Meyer used Barrett who 6 days prior had surgery on his knee. I’m going out on a limb and while you may not agree, Meyer knows ALITTLE more about OSU players than you.

Lastly — the only thing not in the same ballpark is the talent level of Barrett and Haskins. Meyer confirmed that in the B1G CG.

 

[NU_FTW]

MSU, tOSU, scUM all suck


/thread

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Well, again, as I stated before - the competition isn't that fierce. McSorely will take a step back IMO, Lewerke isn't that good to begin with, and who else is there? Thorson is gone, Hornibrook sucks, and then...?

Haha, oh come on now! Mrs. TrustMe won't take the shackles off for a Friday night?

Here is the thing — you are touting a guy as the best in the B1G and he has done literally NOTHING.

McSorley put up over 4,000 yards of offense, while completing 67% of his passes and accounted for 40 tds, but the guy with 57 pass attempts is the best QB in the B1G

Lewerke threw for 2800 and ran for almost 600 and returns basically everyone.

If Patterson is eligible — he threw for 3200 yards in 10 starts at Ole Miss.


Regarding the happy hour — it isn’t the wife. My son gets up at the crack of dawn. He doesn’t care if I’m hungover or not, he is up and wanting to play. After one time attempting that hung over — I said never again. So I rarely drink anymore — maybe twice a year.

 

[Across The Field]

Do you actually believe the excuses you make up as you go? The ‘one year’ Barrett had was almost 3000 yards passing, 1000 rushing and 34 touchdowns. He was named 1st team all-B1G, quarterback of the Year and 3rd team All-American. Weber ran for over 1,000 yards, was the B1G freshman of the year and 2nd team All-Big.

You want to know why they lost their starting jobs? Because Meyer thought someone else was more talented and gave OSU a better chance to win. PERIOD.

If Haskins were more talented and Meyer felt he was the better QB, HE WOULD HAVE PLAYED HIM OVER BARRETT, just like he did with Dobbins over Weber and Cardale over Barrett. And if they were remotely close — Haskins would have started against Wisconsin. Meyer used Barrett who 6 days prior had surgery on his knee. I’m going out on a limb and while you may not agree, Meyer knows ALITTLE more about OSU players than you.

Lastly — the only thing not in the same ballpark is the talent level of Barrett and Haskins. Meyer confirmed that in the B1G CG.

Not excuses. You really don't know what you're talking about. You're as bad as eric. Barrett had an amazing season, and Cardale had an amazing National Championship run in the playoff. They had a competition and Cardale won. Pretty simple.

You can also eat a dick talking about Weber. You've done nothing but talk about how he's average and nothing special at all, so defending him now is not something you're going to get away with. He was hurt, Dobbins stepped in and balled out, simple as that. Also, something I'm sure you're unaware of - they were in a timeshare for a good amount of games. There were 6 games where they were within 3 carries of each other, or Weber had more carries. Then there was the Michigan State game where Weber outrushed Dobbins by a pretty good margin, so it's not like Dobbins just took all the carries and Weber got a few here and there.

Finally, these two situations truly aren't even close to Haskins/Barrett. I don't know how you're struggling with this.

Cardale/Barrett - both previously played, Cardale won a title, they held an actual QB competition and Cardale won. Eventually Barrett won his job back.

Weber/Dobbins - Weber had a solid RS Freshman year, was hurt to start the year and Dobbins proceeded to break the OSU rookie rushing record for a game in his first start. You're not going to just sit him on the bench, plus in case you're not aware, many teams employ 2 RBs throughout a season.

Haskins/Barrett - Haskins was a RS Freshman. Never had taken a snap. Get it? Barrett was a 3 year starter with multiple team and conference records. Get it? There was no QB competition held. Are you honestly so dense that you think it's impossible for a player who sat behind another one to outplay him the following year when he gets a shot? Clearly Barrett was a better QB than Braxton, but he sat behind him and would've still sat behind him in 2014 had Braxton not gotten hurt.

 

[Across The Field]

Here is the thing — you are touting a guy as the best in the B1G and he has done literally NOTHING.

McSorley put up over 4,000 yards of offense, while completing 67% of his passes and accounted for 40 tds, but the guy with 57 pass attempts is the best QB in the B1G

Lewerke threw for 2800 and ran for almost 600 and returns basically everyone.

If Patterson is eligible — he threw for 3200 yards in 10 starts at Ole Miss.


Regarding the happy hour — it isn’t the wife. My son gets up at the crack of dawn. He doesn’t care if I’m hungover or not, he is up and wanting to play. After one time attempting that hung over — I said never again. So I rarely drink anymore — maybe twice a year.

Do you know what the phrase "literally nothing" means? 57 pass attempts is probably 2 full games or so worth of attempts. It's also not like he hasn't been thrust into a really tough situation and thrived. Forget that part already?

McSorely returns almost nobody. He's losing 5 of his top 6 pass catchers and his all-world RB. I will be SHOCKED if he is able to come close to duplicating those numbers this year.

Lewerke was adequate. That's all. Big fucking deal that he threw for 2800 yards, he only averaged 6.7 YPA. That's good for 95th in the nation. Am I supposed to be impressed by that?? Are you?? Throwing a TD pass every 21 attempts is supposed to be impressive? Give me a break. I will give you Lewerke every single day of the week if you want him over Haskins. That's fucking laughable.

Patterson is elite, I've already said that. He's also learning a brand new offense, which isn't going to be easy. If he is able to put it all together, yeah he will definitely challenge Haskins. Put it this way - from a pure talent standpoint, Haskins and Patterson are head and shoulders above the rest of the conference.

That's rough. I do not have any kids yet but I probably will. Hopefully he or she will be a sleeper!

 

[Deep Creek]

But playing a good quarter and a half instantly makes someone the best quarterback in the conference.

Of course. But ONLY, and I mean ONLY, if they are wearing an Ohio State uniform.

In fact, they don't even have to play a quarter and a half to be the best one.

 

[Across The Field]

Of course. But ONLY, and I mean ONLY, if they are wearing an Ohio State uniform.

In fact, they don't even have to play a quarter and a half to be the best one.

Very cute, old man. If you wanna jump on the OSU bandwagon, there might be some room.

 

[NU_FTW]

Bla bla bla, college football is awesome because of how unpredictable it can be. Look at FSU for example, they were slated as the preseason #2 or something like that and they were a gigantic flop.

I know it is the off season but this argument cannot and will not end until the season starts.

Perhaps pace yourselves a bit and stop writing a novel for every post, your going to run out of things to bitch and argue about.

 

[Deep Creek]

Very cute, old man. If you wanna jump on the OSU bandwagon, there might be some room.

No way. Haven't you noticed the four I have in my ID? We don't root for good teams...only bottom feeders...unless they have some wacko situation happening. Hell, I may put Sparty in there just for shits and giggles.

 

[Deep Creek]

Perhaps pace yourselves a bit and stop writing a novel for every post, your going to run out of things to bitch and argue about.

That'll never happen.