Best roster of coaches in the B1G?

[Hook'Em0608]

I knew I missed some when I posted my list. Forgot about several big wins in there.

That's a pretty big disparity, especially when you consider the B1G has been routinely matched up not only with teams that are higher seeded in their respective conference, but we also had routinely played at least 2-3 high end bowl games (Rose, Capital One, Outback) that involved us traveling a much further distance than our opponent, and sometimes it was essentially an away game for us.

You lost a shit load of those games too. No denying you play a better overall bowl schedule though. But it's really not that big a disparity considering we've played a 9 game conference schedule with 10 teams for more than half that timeframe. Less bowl eligible teams and a couple dozen fewer OOC games per season for at least 6 of those years. It's pretty even.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Which overlooked coaching talent in the Big 12 should be due for bigger jobs in your opinion?

Patterson and Gundy in particular. Snyder is too old. None of them are going anywhere it seems. Campbell probably soon will leave Iowa St if he takes them to another bowl. Kingsbury, Holgerson, Rhule, Beaty, Herman, and Riley aren't going anywhere.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

I don't know why Michigan fans are so stirred up about this topic. Was it the win over #17 Colorado in 2016 or the win over #25 Florida in 2015 that made them so cocky? In his 3rd year, Harbaugh won 1 more game than Tom Herman in his 1st year coming off 3 straight losing seasons at Texas. Boy howdy, we just don't stand a chance of overcoming that kind of coaching.

Meanwhile, Meyer, Dantonio, Franklin, Chryst, Ferentz, and Fitzgerald have my respect. With Brohm looking a lot like Campbell at Iowa St as an up and comer. The Big 10 is loaded with really good coaches, no doubt about it.

I'm just reminding people what Big 12 coaches are overcoming. Almost all our schools are either in isolated low talent areas or have zero football history to attract talent with. A coupe of them (Baylor and TCU) are tiny private schools akin to Wake Forest more than the football powers in the SEC and Big 10.

 

[Across The Field]

You lost a shit load of those games too. No denying you play a better overall bowl schedule though. But it's really not that big a disparity considering we've played a 9 game conference schedule with 10 teams for more than half that timeframe. Less bowl eligible teams and a couple dozen fewer OOC games per season for at least 6 of those years. It's pretty even.

Yes we did, the early 2010s were rough. michigan and Penn State sucked, OSU had a horrible 2011 and a bowl ban in 2012, Iowa and Wisconsin were inconsistent. Not great.

That said, you guys didn't drop to 10 teams until 2012, meaning for four years, you had 11 or 12 teams (same as the B1G). Also, while we did add 3 teams, Rutgers and Maryland suck and Nebraska didn't contribute to any of our OOC ranked wins. It was the flagship B1G schools doing the work.

Finally, 6/24 of your ranked wins were mid-majors, while only 5/33 were for the B1G. The average OOC ranked win for the B1G was also a few spots higher, 17-14.

 

[Across The Field]

Patterson and Gundy in particular. Snyder is too old. None of them are going anywhere it seems. Campbell probably soon will leave Iowa St if he takes them to another bowl. Kingsbury, Holgerson, Rhule, Beaty, Herman, and Riley aren't going anywhere.

I just don't see it with Gundy. He's got one big win over Stanford and that's all he's done that's really worth a damn. With all that Pickens money there, they should be a lot more competitive and be able to attract kids.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

Do you really think it is easier to recruit to Lubbock, TX than East Lansing, MI?

Yes, just be the shear amount of recruits in each respective state

 

[Tharvot]

Very much agree, I just don't agree with the dismissal of Big 12 coaches. It's the only thing propping this league up from G5 status. And has been since Nebraska, A&M, Missouri, and Colorado left. There is some seriously overlooked coaching talent within the Big 12. Mostly because the fuckers refuse to leave their little safe zones and have reached their ceilings at these programs.

I agree that the B12 has some real coaching talent, young talent too with Herman and Riley leading the biggest programs. Matt Campbell is a really good one too, though if I were to bet, he's going to get pilfered away at some point.

Every conference has some good coaches, just currently the B1G has more of them than other conferences which is why their overall conference strength is better.

It's pretty cyclical though.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Your hyperbole and sarcasm are peak level. Congrats.

If you made any sense — I wouldn’t need sarcasm. First, it was the Midwest had more talent than the Big 12. Then it was Midwest recruits being undervalued by recruiting sites. Then it was Texas recruited being over valued by recruiting sites. Then it was Texas high school players hit their ceiling in HS.

And the whole coaching talk is entertaining, but the Big 12 staff of coaches may not be better than any conference right now, let alone the B1G. The 2 big schools in the conference are coached by 2 guys who have a grand total of one recruiting class between the two of them and 1 year experience each as a HC at a P5 school (this past year)

And how is it OSU keeps getting studs from Texas? JT Barrett has pretty much every record for a QB in the B1G? JK Dobbins looks like he will win the Heisman some day at OSU after what he did as a true freshman. Jeffrey Okudah somehow saw playing time as a true freshman when OSU had two NFL ready CB’s ahead of him.

 

[Across The Field]

If you made any sense — I wouldn’t need sarcasm. First, it was the Midwest had more talent than the Big 12. Then it was Midwest recruits being undervalued by recruiting sites. Then it was Texas recruited being over valued by recruiting sites. Then it was Texas high school players hit their ceiling in HS.

And the whole coaching talk is entertaining, but the Big 12 staff of coaches may not be better than any conference right now, let alone the B1G. The 2 big schools in the conference are coached by 2 guys who have a grand total of one recruiting class between the two of them and 1 year experience each as a HC at a P5 school (this past year)

And how is it OSU keeps getting studs from Texas? JT Barrett has pretty much every record for a QB in the B1G? JK Dobbins looks like he will win the Heisman some day at OSU after what he did as a true freshman. Jeffrey Okudah somehow saw playing time as a true freshman when OSU had two NFL ready CB’s ahead of him.

I'd say one. Ward is elite but not any of the others yet.

Also, don't forget about Baron Browning, a top 10 overall recruit from Texas last year who is poised to be the next big stud LB at OSU. Evidently he was a major standout during bowl practices.

 

[Deep Creek]

Jesus, calm down. No, every P5 team shouldn't have success, given the dramatic differences between programs. Many struggle due to several reasons - academic restrictions, budgetary restrictions, weather/desirability of the program, etc. The University of Illinois is not next to Chicago, it's actually about 2.5 hours south.

Right now, the B1G simply has better coaches. That's the crux of this argument. However, there's no reason schools like West Virginia, Texas Tech, Iowa State, or even Kansas State can't be nationally competitive when schools like Iowa, MSU, and Wisconsin are.

My bad...but by West Texas standards 2.5 hours is "next to" something.

And define nationally competitive please. Only one of those six you listed has made the CFP and that is Sparty. And, them winning the conference that year could possibly say more about the quality of the B1G that year than it did about the quality of Sparty..considering the results in the CFP semifinal. 38-0 I believe. And before you go off on me, Sparty and Iowa are my favorites in the B1G.

I agree that Tech, WVU and Iowa State could be better. But, so could a bunch of P5s...again...considering their resources. Some G5s are just as good with a hell of a lot less resources.

 

[Deep Creek]

Patterson and Gundy in particular. Snyder is too old. None of them are going anywhere it seems. Campbell probably soon will leave Iowa St if he takes them to another bowl. Kingsbury, Holgerson, Rhule, Beaty, Herman, and Riley aren't going anywhere.

I figured those were the two you were referring to. Both have had multiple oppotunities to take much more "high profile" jobs and turned them down. It'll take things aligning just right for either TCU or Okie Lite to do much better than they have IMO.

 

[Deep Creek]

Yes, just be the shear amount of recruits in each respective state

Well they've had a long, long list of coaches that haven't been able to recruit top notch talent to Lubbock. Coach GQ can't, Leach couldn't, Dykes couldn't, etc. They usually can only attract the left overs. Occasionally they might pull a four star every 10 years or so.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

Yes we did, the early 2010s were rough. michigan and Penn State sucked, OSU had a horrible 2011 and a bowl ban in 2012, Iowa and Wisconsin were inconsistent. Not great.

That said, you guys didn't drop to 10 teams until 2012, meaning for four years, you had 11 or 12 teams (same as the B1G). Also, while we did add 3 teams, Rutgers and Maryland suck and Nebraska didn't contribute to any of our OOC ranked wins. It was the flagship B1G schools doing the work.

Finally, 6/24 of your ranked wins were mid-majors, while only 5/33 were for the B1G. The average OOC ranked win for the B1G was also a few spots higher, 17-14.

We went to 10 in 2011 when Nebraska and Colorado left.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

If you made any sense — I wouldn’t need sarcasm. First, it was the Midwest had more talent than the Big 12. Then it was Midwest recruits being undervalued by recruiting sites. Then it was Texas recruited being over valued by recruiting sites. Then it was Texas high school players hit their ceiling in HS.

And the whole coaching talk is entertaining, but the Big 12 staff of coaches may not be better than any conference right now, let alone the B1G. The 2 big schools in the conference are coached by 2 guys who have a grand total of one recruiting class between the two of them and 1 year experience each as a HC at a P5 school (this past year)

And how is it OSU keeps getting studs from Texas? JT Barrett has pretty much every record for a QB in the B1G? JK Dobbins looks like he will win the Heisman some day at OSU after what he did as a true freshman. Jeffrey Okudah somehow saw playing time as a true freshman when OSU had two NFL ready CB’s ahead of him.

Ohio St has taken several of the top 10 players in Texas. They take great players all over the country. I don't know if you are aware of this, but if Nick Saban wasn't around, we would be talking about Urban Meyer as the unquestioned best coach in the game. And he's at Ohio St which is one of the best programs in the country. Shit, I'd send my kid there if he wanted to go out of state and Bama wasn't an option.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

I'd say one. Ward is elite but not any of the others yet.

Also, don't forget about Baron Browning, a top 10 overall recruit from Texas last year who is poised to be the next big stud LB at OSU. Evidently he was a major standout during bowl practices.

Browning and Dobbins really hurt. Okudah never even really considered us.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

I figured those were the two you were referring to. Both have had multiple oppotunities to take much more "high profile" jobs and turned them down. It'll take things aligning just right for either TCU or Okie Lite to do much better than they have IMO.

TCU is maxed out as they are playing well on both sides of the ball. Oklahoma St needs to get the right defensive coordinator to reach their full potential under Gundy IMO.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

My bad...but by West Texas standards 2.5 hours is "next to" something.

And define nationally competitive please. Only one of those six you listed has made the CFP and that is Sparty. And, them winning the conference that year could possibly say more about the quality of the B1G that year than it did about the quality of Sparty..considering the results in the CFP semifinal. 38-0 I believe. And before you go off on me, Sparty and Iowa are my favorites in the B1G.

I agree that Tech, WVU and Iowa State could be better. But, so could a bunch of P5s...again...considering their resources. Some G5s are just as good with a hell of a lot less resources.

It's funny they act like that is so far but Lubbock is 5 hours from DFW, and 9 hours from Houston. But Texas has so many recruits, there is no reason Tech should suck. Please...

 

[Hook'Em0608]

TCU probably has fewer living alumni than Texas A&M has current students. But boy howdy they are located in the biggest hot bed of talent in Texas. Never mind Norman Oklahoma is less than an hour drive to DFW. It's closer to go to school at OU than UT for DFW kids. You live in the golden triangle area (another hot bed of talent in east texas)? It's an hour closer to go to school at LSU or A&M than it is to UT. And UT is the closest Big 12 school to that area. Houston? Again, LSU is about the same distance as UT and A&M is closer than both.

There are a shit load of reasons to pick LSU or OU for a Texas kid if they are not feeling particularly loyal to the state. Or they can just go play at A&M and stay in state but play in the SEC. The Big 10 just doesn't have to deal with that on the same level. Notre Dame can only take 25 kids and they get them from all over the damn place anyway.

 

[kburjr]

TCU probably has fewer living alumni than Texas A&M has current students. But boy howdy they are located in the biggest hot bed of talent in Texas. Never mind Norman Oklahoma is less than an hour drive to DFW. It's closer to go to school at OU than UT for DFW kids. You live in the golden triangle area (another hot bed of talent in east texas)? It's an hour closer to go to school at LSU or A&M than it is to UT. And UT is the closest Big 12 school to that area. Houston? Again, LSU is about the same distance as UT and A&M is closer than both.

There are a shit load of reasons to pick LSU or OU for a Texas kid if they are not feeling particularly loyal to the state. Or they can just go play at A&M and stay in state but play in the SEC. The Big 10 just doesn't have to deal with that on the same level. Notre Dame can only take 25 kids and they get them from all over the damn place anyway.

The B1G Ten paradigm is to steal from your rivals base. Wisconsin just signed 5 guys from Michigan's All-State team. Were they 5-stars? No, but there are fewer 3 and 4-star types for them. Wisconsin has slowly but surely developed into a near-elite national brand. Top 10-12. We ain't blue-blood, we're new blood. Right, @Great Dayne?

 

[Sgt Brutus]

The B1G Ten paradigm is to steal from your rivals base. Wisconsin just signed 5 guys from Michigan's All-State team. Were they 5-stars? No, but there are fewer 3 and 4-star types for them. Wisconsin has slowly but surely developed into a near-elite national brand. Top 10-12. We ain't blue-blood, we're new blood. Right, @Great Dayne?

Near elite? In the past decade have they ever had a top15 recruiting class?