POLL Realistic Playoff Scenario: Who gets the #4 Spot?

[7Samurai13]

Again, this is just untrue.

Your entire post completely lacks substance and reason.

Penn State has two top ten wins as well so the one additional win should over throw a conference championship and head to head? It absolutely is true, you are just such a homer that you will flip flop your opinion to whatever it takes to get your undeserving team into the playoffs.

 

[Across The Field]

Yep, like some years it benefits Ohio State to reward a 2-loss team and some years it benefits them to reward a 1-loss team. So every year is different indeed.

So you're not smart enough to handle analytical thinking. Got it. I'll leave you be.

 

[Yo Tee]

Is this 2016? No. It's also not 2014 or 2015, when only conference champs made it. It's alarming how bad some of you are at realizing that every season and every scenario isn't the same from year to year. It actually takes a level of analysis.

I'm not comparing, I am using it as a reference. The scenario from last year doesn't happen this year because it's clear cut who the better teams are. It wasn't in the B1G last year, hence why OSU got in and not PSU. This year it's pretty clear. Whoever wins the ACC, SEC and B1G championship games are more than likely going into the playoff. The Pac 12 doesn't have a chance to get a playoff team and Oklahoma needs to win in order to get the Big 12 a playoff team. Like I said, if Ohio State beats Wisconsin, they SHOULD get the last playoff spot. But it's college football. Anything can happen.

 

[Yo Tee]

I never said anything like that or even inferred that. You're acting like an angry child and not a rational adult.

HA! This is rich coming from probably the biggest baby in this discussion right now.

WAH! You don't agree with me, you must be an idiot!
WAH! Agree with me of you don't understand anything!
WAH! How is this so hard to understand?!

We disagree with you dude, it's not that we don't understand, it's that we don't fucking agree. Get used to it.

 

[7Samurai13]

So you're not smart enough to handle analytical thinking. Got it. I'll leave you be.

We get what you are saying. The big ten should fold up shop and not play football anymore because no matter what, Ohio State should go to the playoffs. You will preform what ever mental gymnastics you need to to make OSU the deserving, no problem being a hypocritical fuck.

 

[Across The Field]

Penn State has two top ten wins as well so the one additional win should over throw a conference championship and head to head? It absolutely is true, you are just such a homer that you will flip flop your opinion to whatever it takes to get your undeserving team into the playoffs.

Alright, Skippy, let's look at this together:

2016 Ohio State: 3-1 vs top 10 teams, only loss was by 3 points in the final seconds of the game that they had otherwise completely dominated. Beat Wisconsin on the road one week before playing Penn State on the road. Top 10 offense and defense by basically every metric.

2016 Penn State: 2-1 vs top 10 teams, loss was by 39 points, also lost to unranked Pitt. Was top 30-35 on offense and defense, beat Wisconsin on neutral field in a game they only went to because Iowa upset michigan.

Both had 1 conference loss; OSU's by a few points in a game they otherwise dominated, Penn State's was by 39. OSU had an OOC top 10 road win, Penn State and an OOC UR loss.

It was extremely close, and in the end the committee decided OSU's resume was better.

NOW - 2017 Wisconsin currently has 1 ranked win, no top 10 victories (or even top 20). Would have 1 loss if OSU wins the CCG. 2017 OSU has 2 ranked wins, both top 20, 1 top 10. Would have 2 losses if they win out to go with two top 10 wins and 3 ranked wins overall. Wisconsin has top 5 defense and top 30 offense. OSU has top 5 offense and top 20 defense.

If you can't see the difference between these two scenarios, there's no hope for you.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm not comparing, I am using it as a reference. The scenario from last year doesn't happen this year because it's clear cut who the better teams are. It wasn't in the B1G last year, hence why OSU got in and not PSU. This year it's pretty clear. Whoever wins the ACC, SEC and B1G championship games are more than likely going into the playoff. The Pac 12 doesn't have a chance to get a playoff team and Oklahoma needs to win in order to get the Big 12 a playoff team. Like I said, if Ohio State beats Wisconsin, they SHOULD get the last playoff spot. But it's college football. Anything can happen.

Then why the hell are you acting like the committee should do the exact same thing this year as they did last year when the two scenarios aren't close to being the same??

 

[Great Dayne]

Given precedent, Wisconsin should go above Ohio State even if they lose to OSU because Ohio State has two losses and a blowout loss to Iowa. Ohio State is this year’s Penn State.

Yes but they're OSU. The committee is all about name recognition and not performance evaluation or consistency. Name recognition is the #1 factor they use. If it's between OSU and another team that doesn't have as big of a name OSU wins even if they're not even close. Now, Notre Dame is a big name so that's a different story.

 

[Across The Field]

We get what you are saying. The big ten should fold up shop and not play football anymore because no matter what, Ohio State should go to the playoffs. You will preform what ever mental gymnastics you need to to make OSU the deserving, no problem being a hypocritical fuck.

Just because your simple mind can't understand how to actually evaluate different scenarios instead of just going off of face value, it doesn't mean I'm biased. You haven't made one single, solitary argument to support your side and prove that I'm just being a "hypocritical fuck". The scenarios aren't even remotely the same this year as they were last year, but by God you just simply can't understand that, so good luck to you, you fuck.

 

[7Samurai13]

Alright, Skippy, let's look at this together:

2016 Ohio State: 3-1 vs top 10 teams, only loss was by 3 points in the final seconds of the game that they had otherwise completely dominated. Beat Wisconsin on the road one week before playing Penn State on the road. Top 10 offense and defense by basically every metric.

2016 Penn State: 2-1 vs top 10 teams, loss was by 39 points, also lost to unranked Pitt. Was top 30-35 on offense and defense, beat Wisconsin on neutral field in a game they only went to because Iowa upset michigan.

Both had 1 conference loss; OSU's by a few points in a game they otherwise dominated, Penn State's was by 39. OSU had an OOC top 10 road win, Penn State and an OOC UR loss.

It was extremely close, and in the end the committee decided OSU's resume was better.

NOW - 2017 Wisconsin currently has 1 ranked win, no top 10 victories (or even top 20). Would have 1 loss if OSU wins the CCG. 2017 OSU has 2 ranked wins, both top 20, 1 top 10. Would have 2 losses if they win out to go with two top 10 wins and 3 ranked wins overall. Wisconsin has top 5 defense and top 30 offense. OSU has top 5 offense and top 20 defense.

If you can't see the difference between these two scenarios, there's no hope for you.

And Ohio State got their asses pounded not once, but twice. How is this any different than you lame asses arguing you should be ranked higher than Oklahoma despite them beating you head to head?

 

[Across The Field]

Yes but they're OSU. The committee is all about name recognition and not performance evaluation or consistency. Name recognition is the #1 factor they use. If it's between OSU and another team that doesn't have as big of a name OSU wins even if they're not even close. Now, Notre Dame is a big name so that's a different story.

LOL what a fucking fairy response.

 

[Mike A. S.]

Alright, Skippy, let's look at this together:

2016 Ohio State: 3-1 vs top 10 teams, only loss was by 3 points in the final seconds of the game that they had otherwise completely dominated. Beat Wisconsin on the road one week before playing Penn State on the road. Top 10 offense and defense by basically every metric.

2016 Penn State: 2-1 vs top 10 teams, loss was by 39 points, also lost to unranked Pitt. Was top 30-35 on offense and defense, beat Wisconsin on neutral field in a game they only went to because Iowa upset michigan.

Both had 1 conference loss; OSU's by a few points in a game they otherwise dominated, Penn State's was by 39. OSU had an OOC top 10 road win, Penn State and an OOC UR loss.

It was extremely close, and in the end the committee decided OSU's resume was better.

NOW - 2017 Wisconsin currently has 1 ranked win, no top 10 victories (or even top 20). Would have 1 loss if OSU wins the CCG. 2017 OSU has 2 ranked wins, both top 20, 1 top 10. Would have 2 losses if they win out to go with two top 10 wins and 3 ranked wins overall. Wisconsin has top 5 defense and top 30 offense. OSU has top 5 offense and top 20 defense.

If you can't see the difference between these two scenarios, there's no hope for you.

I like how you're leaving out who Ohio State's 1 conference loss was to, like it doesn't matter in this scenario. And also that you're including things like "they only went to the game because Iowa upset Michigan". And if losing to an unranked team and by 39 points is important (which it is) then why can't you see how big of an issue it is that Ohio State lost TO an unranked team by 31 this year?

 

[Great Dayne]

Wisconsin has a 0% chance to make it with one loss. They might still miss it if they go undefeated. I can see the committee taking a one loss Bama and SEC champ over Wisconsin based on the committee's rankings and explanations of the rankings.

 

[Across The Field]

And Ohio State got their asses pounded not once, but twice. How is this any different than you lame asses arguing you should be ranked higher than Oklahoma despite them beating you head to head?

I never said we should be ranked ahead of them. I said it wouldn't be unfair if we were to, had we won out, since they finished ahead of us last year even though we had the same amount of losses.

 

[Across The Field]

I like how you're leaving out who Ohio State's 1 conference loss was to, like it doesn't matter in this scenario. And also that you're including things like "they only went to the game because Iowa upset Michigan". And if losing to an unranked team and by 39 points is important (which it is) then why can't you see how big of an issue it is that Ohio State lost TO an unranked team by 31 this year?

BECAUSE 2017 WISCONSIN DOESN'T HAVE A RESUME THAT IS EVEN REMOTELY AS GOOD AS 2016 OHIO STATE. I'M MAKING THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.

 

[Yo Tee]

Then why the hell are you acting like the committee should do the exact same thing this year as they did last year when the two scenarios aren't close to being the same??

Apparently you can't read. I'm not acting like that. I said that if Ohio State beats Wisconsin they SHOULD get the final playoff spot. I have no clue what you think you're reading but you need to get different glasses or something.

 

[Great Dayne]

LOL what a fucking fairy response.

Any logical ranking wouldn't have OSU anywhere close to a top ten ranking after being demolished by a 5 loss Iowa team. They love them some Urban Myer. Teams that were in the CFP last season are being highly overrated and SEC teams are being propped up to make Bama appear as though they have quality wins when most people understand LSU(lost to Troy at home and blown out by Miss st barely beat Florida) and Miss st. (blown out twice and best OOC win was Umass which they struggled with) shouldn't be ranked.

 

[Voltaire26]

(1) Wisconsin has a 0% chance to make it with one loss. (2) They might still miss it if they go undefeated. I can see the committee taking a one loss Bama and SEC champ over Wisconsin based on the committee's rankings and explanations of the rankings.

(1) I give them a 5% chance

(2) Absolutely in if they win 100%

 

[Mike A. S.]

BECAUSE 2017 WISCONSIN DOESN'T HAVE A RESUME THAT IS EVEN REMOTELY AS GOOD AS 2016 OHIO STATE. I'M MAKING THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.

Just because Wisconsin doesn't deserve it doesn't mean that Ohio State does. They don't have to choose any Big Ten team.

 

[Voltaire26]

Any logical ranking wouldn't have OSU anywhere close to a top ten ranking after being demolished by a 5 loss Iowa team. They love them some Urban Myer. Teams that were in the CFP last season are being highly overrated and SEC teams are being propped up to make Bama appear as though they have quality wins when most people understand LSU(lost to Troy at home and blown out by Miss st barely beat Florida) and Miss st. (blown out twice and best OOC win was Umass which they struggled with) shouldn't be ranked.

At this point in time, Alabama, ohio state and Clemson are always going to get extra consideration ... if you beat them, they have no chance.