MJ and LeBron through 1,072 games

[Mecca]

Exhibit A. of how dug in folks * me * refuse to see the Forrest....

Still, MJ > 2 Lebron's...lol

 

[LogicMan]

This is where I can agree. at 33 LBJ looks like a Tom Brady type career ahead

 

[msgkings322]

LeBron's greatest feat is finding a way to be a bigger asshole than Micheal Jordan ever was.

LOL no. He's got a long way to go to catch him on that.

 

[DorianRo]

You are so full of crap it isn't funny.

You do realize that team stacking makes it harder to win rings, right? The Bulls were the only stacked team from the 90s era. they were a level above everyone else and it wasn't just because of Jordan.

I say this and I was a huge Jordan/Bulls fan back then.

He played a great team every year in the finals. And lets not forget he had 3x the Competition in the East en route to the finals between the 80s-90s than Le3-5 EVER did from the 2000s-present. No comparison. Overall Jordan had better competition to compete against and still put's Lebron's overall career to shame.


Oh yea... And give MJ prime Wade Bosh, post prime Shaq, Prime Irving, Prime Love, and a host of 3 point sharp shooters, combined with a weak ass east every year and it would be ridiculous the amount of championships MJ would have won.

Lebron got to 8 finals and only won 3. Jordan would have got to 10-11 finals at least and WIN all 10-11. Easy

 

[gordontrue]

He played a great team every year in the finals. And lets not forget he had 3x the Competition in the East en route to the finals between the 80s-90s than Le3-5 EVER did from the 2000s-present. No comparison. Overall Jordan had better competition to compete against and still put's Lebron's overall career to shame.


Oh yea... And give MJ prime Wade Bosh, post prime Shaq, Prime Irving, Prime Love, and a host of 3 point sharp shooters, combined with a weak ass east every year and it would be ridiculous the amount of championships MJ would have won.

Lebron got to 8 finals and only won 3. Jordan would have got to 10-11 finals at least and WIN all 10-11. Easy

 

[DorianRo]

Jordan doesn't lose in NBA finals. While Lebron on the other hand is a well known LOSER

 

[gordontrue]

Jordan doesn't lose in NBA finals. While Lebron on the other hand is a well known LOSER

 

[DorianRo]

3-5. vs. 6-0 'nuff said

 

[gordontrue]

3-5. vs. 6-0 'nuff said

The eyroll was directed more at...

"Jordan would have got to 10-11 finals at least and WIN all 10-11. Easy"

 

[DorianRo]

The eyroll was directed more at...

"Jordan would have got to 10-11 finals at least and WIN all 10-11. Easy"

Well he wouldn't have lost to the spurs. Definitely not the Mavs, Warriors would have gave him a run maybe one year, but Jordan would have still triumphed ultimately in a Game 7 must win

Jordan was unbeatable in NBA finals. A true alpha who REFUSED to lose on the big stage

 

[DJ]

James has a lot more TO's.....that is what jumped out for me. Stats are nice but the eye test tells you MJ was better.

 

[gordontrue]

Well he wouldn't have lost to the spurs. Definitely not the Mavs, Warriors would have gave him a run maybe one year, but Jordan would have still triumphed ultimately

Jordan was unbeatable in NBA finals. A true alpha who REFUSED to lose.

Jordan is GOAT and would have a decent shot against any team.

I'll give you the Mavs. But swap Jordan for LeBron and I'm still taking the 2014 Spurs and all of the last 3 years of the Warriors.

I'm not sure the Cavs win in 2016 if you swap out LeBron for any other player in the history of the game. LeBron led both teams in every single category in those Finals. Jordan is the better overall player, but no one is equipped quite like LeBron to pull that off.

 

[trojanfan12]

He played a great team every year in the finals.

Actually, Lebron has faced tougher opponents in the finals than MJ did. MJ didn't face slouches by any means, but they weren't as good as the Spurs and Warriors teams Lebron has played.

Having said that, Lebron did lose to the Mavericks, who weren't as good as any of the teams MJ faced in the finals.

And lets not forget he had 3x the Competition in the East en route to the finals between the 80s-90s than Le3-5 EVER did from the 2000s-present. No comparison. Overall Jordan had better competition to compete against and still put's Lebron's overall career to shame.

This, I agree with. MJ's road to the finals was definitely more difficult than Lebron's. But once they reached the finals, Lebron has faced better teams there.

Given the above, you could make the case that if Lebron faced the level of competition MJ did in getting to the finals, he doesn't make it to 8 finals (including the last 7 in a row) and that if MJ faced the same level of competition in the finals that Lebron has, he's not 6-0.

 

[DJ]

Oh. Yeah.....MJ undefeated in the Finals because he was clutch. And the fact he rarely went to a game 7 is just sick and shows how dominant he was.

 

[gordontrue]

James has a lot more TO's.....that is what jumped out for me. Stats are nice but the eye test tells you MJ was better.

yet a better assist-to-turnover ratio

 

[Wamu]

Exhibit A. of how dug in folks * me * refuse to see the Forrest....

Still, MJ > 2 Lebron's...lol

More fake news!

 

[DJ]

yet a better assist-to-turnover ratio

Totally ignoring 2nd part of it is somewhat expected since the Bulls are a huge rival of the Cavs.

 

[DJ]

No comment on MJ being undefeated in the Finals.....because there is no counter argument. He was undefeated because he was a beast and clutch when it counted the most.

 

[tlance]

Actually, Lebron has faced tougher opponents in the finals than MJ did. MJ didn't face slouches by any means, but they weren't as good as the Spurs and Warriors teams Lebron has played.

Having said that, Lebron did lose to the Mavericks, who weren't as good as any of the teams MJ faced in the finals.



This, I agree with. MJ's road to the finals was definitely more difficult than Lebron's. But once they reached the finals, Lebron has faced better teams there.

Given the above, you could make the case that if Lebron faced the level of competition MJ did in getting to the finals, he doesn't make it to 8 finals (including the last 7 in a row) and that if MJ faced the same level of competition in the finals that Lebron has, he's not 6-0.

Bingo!

Absolutely zero chance MJ would be undefeated in the Finals facing the teams LeBron has. Zero.

Maybe his record would be better, maybe it wouldn't.

But, Jordan's Bulls were head and shoulder above the field then, just like the Warriors are today.

Jordan is better. But the logic in your argument is just wrong.

 

[trojanfan12]

Totally ignoring 2nd part of it is somewhat expected since the Bulls are a huge rival of the Cavs.

It's not really a fair comparison either way. When MJ had the ball, his objective was to score first, second and sometimes 3rd before he passed. Fewer passes equals fewer opportunities for assists and turnovers.

When Lebron has the ball, he's looking to initiate the offense and set guys up to score first. That means more passes and therefore, more opportunities for assists and turnovers.