Zeke suspension upheld

[jarntt]

More importantly this whole thing is really fucking with my fantasy team this year.

Even More importantly instead of just missing the first 6 games and being back with likely little difference in the Cowboys record he started this whole thing and thus has kept it on the tip of everyone's tongue as you can see from these boards and he kind of screwed his team too.

 

[Kevin12773]

Mine too. Just play Zeke until/if he must sit. Hope you have at least a quality 3rd option.

Doug Martin will get play but ODJ being out it really doesn't matter

 

[es4m11]

Even More importantly instead of just missing the first 6 games and being back with likely little difference in the Cowboys record he started this whole thing and thus has kept it on the tip of everyone's tongue as you can see from these boards and he kind of screwed his team too.

You seem to be missing the point. Elliott says he didn't do it. If you didn't do it, you fight these accusations, period. Whether it be in actual court or the court of public opinion. You don't just accept these sorts of claims if you believe/know them to be false. The NFL overstepped their bounds on this issue, essentially using their platform to brand Elliott guilty in the court of public opinion when actual law enforcement and the NFL's own investigator doubted the accuser enough that they deemed her an unreliable source. Ms. Thompson is responsible for her lack of credibility, no one else.

Absent any hard evidence showing Elliott did commit the act, explain to me how Elliott screwed his team over? He has suited up and practiced all season to this point, right? Maybe Elliott is the one getting screwed over? And maybe whiny fans need take a step back and gain a little perspective on this issue?

I have said since day 1 that there is enough evidence on both sides to make you wonder, and I am not confident in making a declaration for either party. But there is an important question to ask: Why did the NFL go to such lengths to deny Elliott due process? So much so that 3 judges have commented on the seeming lack of fairness throughout this process.

Again, I have no dog in this fight -- Cowboys fan or not -- but what the NFL has tried to do here just stinks all the way around. The cynical side of me says they are doing this to make up for lost time (Ray Rice, Josh Brown, etc.), and to do more to attract female fans.

 

[Manster7588]

An "en banc" hearing only has to do with who hears/decides the matter. I'm not sure who has said there is "no way" it gets dropped and I haven't. But if it is dropped, my understanding, from what I read in one article, is the likely ruling would be to hold another hearing. I'm pretty sure we all know how that will go as long as Goodell and the CBA are around.

en banc

(on bonk) French for "in the bench," it signifies a decision by the full court of all the appeals judges in jurisdictions where there is more than one three- or four-judge panel. The larger number sit in judgment when the court feels there is a particularly significant issue at stake or when requested by one or both parties to the case and agreed to by the court.


Also I'm fairly sure you hsve said quite a few times, he should just sit now as he won't win.

 

[jarntt]

en banc

(on bonk) French for "in the bench," it signifies a decision by the full court of all the appeals judges in jurisdictions where there is more than one three- or four-judge panel. The larger number sit in judgment when the court feels there is a particularly significant issue at stake or when requested by one or both parties to the case and agreed to by the court.


Also I'm fairly sure you hsve said quite a few times, he should just sit now as he won't win.

I know what en banc means. The way you used it didn't make sense. It's procedural and has little to do with anything other than who rules on the matter

 

[Manster7588]

Even More importantly instead of just missing the first 6 games and being back with likely little difference in the Cowboys record he started this whole thing and thus has kept it on the tip of everyone's tongue as you can see from these boards and he kind of screwed his team too.

I'm a team first person, but I don't fault those who act "Me first" in legal/discipline issues.

 

[cowboycolors]

well the way I read the "tea leaves" is zeke is fighting the suspension "de fac-to" meaning in reality at least for him while the legal issue is a fair hearing it is "de-fac-to" that the NFL is suspending him for Domestic Abuse and not anything else so they are just as blended together as "peas and carrots" to borrow from Forrest Gump.

And I can also understand that others can and will see it differently.

While the issues are legally separate they are the same to Zeke. IMHO

And as that's Just an opinion I am obviously not a attorney or the above paragraph would be 4 pages long and filled with words you cant pronounce let alone understand without a legal dictionary and 4 years post graduate at "ompa pumpa rumpa getta bigga dollara " University although I do spend 100 nights a year at Holiday Inn Express.

JMHO

 

[jarntt]

I'm a team first person, but I don't fault those who act "Me first" in legal/discipline issues.

I totally agree with this. But that isn't what is going on. There is a process in place that was agreed to. The process is BS and it sucks, but it is there. He didn't like what it yielded, so like Brady he took it somewhere that it doesn't belong and where the possible upside is unlikely and all he does is continue the process of his reputation being dragged through the mud every time this is talked about and he is shown on National tv and the announcer brings up the suspension matter. Where did it leave Brady? He served the suspension anyway, but spent a year and a half (or whatever it was) with his case in the spotlight and all anyone talked about was his cheating. Regardless of how you want to frame it, all that is talked about with Zeke nationally is this case and it will continue that way until it is done and for a while after. So Even if he "wins" he loses. Plus imagine if someone else comes forward with real evidence because this matter is still going on and that real evidence leads to a criminal case being reopened?

 

[Manster7588]

I know what en banc means. The way you used it didn't make sense. It's procedural and has little to do with anything other than who rules on the matter

He's trying to get the panel to look at the full investigation and rule on his appeal to the NFL. If granted the panel can completely drop the suspension, rule the the suspension is valid, or rule anywhere in between.

Either way in he's granted an en banc, that rulling will end the whole ordeal.

 

[PDay8810]

I am talking about the whole case. Not the TRO.

correct....this shit turned when the NFL's female lead investigator, who was the only investigator to interview the accuser on multiple occasions determined her story wasn't trustworthy and recommended no suspension.
SO....the league decided to leave her out when punishment was determined.

Two people know what happened and the league is out to make an example out of Elliott regardless.

I'd fight that all day long

 

[jarntt]

correct....this shit turned when the NFL's female lead investigator, who was the only investigator to interview the accuser on multiple occasions determined her story wasn't trustworthy and recommended no suspension.
SO....the league decided to leave her out when punishment was determined.

Two people know what happened and the league is out to make an example out of Elliott regardless.

I'd fight that all day long

What bothers me the most in the big picture is that the league seems more interested in "winning" the case than it does in finding the truth. What do they gain from this? They are proving over and over again that they are more concerned with preserving their power and have taken these rulings (Brady also) personally and dig in their heels and fight it as if they want their stars to be seen as "guilty" if the alternative is them being seen as wrong or that they made a mistake. They have made it "us versus them" for some reason. In the long run they would be much better off if Zeke was proven innocent because how does it help them to have one of their young stars or biggest stars ever (Brady) have their reputations sullied. I get that they want to curtail bad behavior, but this is not the way to go about it.

 

[Kevin12773]

correct....this shit turned when the NFL's female lead investigator, who was the only investigator to interview the accuser on multiple occasions determined her story wasn't trustworthy and recommended no suspension.
SO....the league decided to leave her out when punishment was determined.

Two people know what happened and the league is out to make an example out of Elliott regardless.

I'd fight that all day long

She's a giants fan correct? Interesting....

 

[es4m11]

correct....this shit turned when the NFL's female lead investigator, who was the only investigator to interview the accuser on multiple occasions determined her story wasn't trustworthy and recommended no suspension.
SO....the league decided to leave her out when punishment was determined.

Two people know what happened and the league is out to make an example out of Elliott regardless.

I'd fight that all day long

Yup. Some people would rather hand out rainbows...

 

[es4m11]

She's a giants fan correct? Interesting....

I don't think that matters at all. A red herring if you will

 

[jarntt]

try to follow along dope

 

[es4m11]

try to follow along dope

I have been. You seem to think Elliott, or anyone should just take whatever shit the NFL shovels their way.

You're such a fucking puss

 

[Kevin12773]

I don't think that matters at all. A red herring if you will

Well with all the shit Mara pulls (seemingly only against NFCE squads) I wouldn't dismiss it without looking into it.

#maraisanasshole

 

[jarntt]

I have been. You seem to think Elliott, or anyone should just take whatever shit the NFL shovels their way.

You're such a fucking puss

Obviously you aren't following along then. Always love the internet tough guys though. "puss"...lol...ok there puff out that internet chest...dope

 

[es4m11]

Well with all the shit Mara pulls (seemingly only against NFCE squads) I wouldn't dismiss it without looking into it.

#maraisanasshole

Mara has a hard on for anything that fucks over Dallas and Washington, that much I believe. And while I do believe Mara may have had a hand in spurring this investigation on, I don't think he has had anything to do with the actual inner workings of the investigation itself. Maybe I am naive?

 

[es4m11]

Obviously you aren't following along then. Always love the internet tough guys though. "puss"...lol...ok there puff out that internet chest...dope

Dude, are you kidding me? You insult me first, then cry foul? Get over yourself, bud. Anyways, nothing to do with internet tough guy - did I threaten you? LOL.

Maybe you are a puss?

Back on topic...

Even More importantly instead of just missing the first 6 games and being back with likely little difference in the Cowboys record he started this whole thing and thus has kept it on the tip of everyone's tongue as you can see from these boards and he kind of screwed his team too.

What are you implying here? That Zeke should have just taken the 6 games right?

In another post you basically say, "because the CBA is fucked, Zeke should just accept it, because there's no way around it." - I'm paraphrasing.

No man, if it were you or me in this scenario and we believed that we didn't commit this act, as Zeke believes, we wouldn't just accept any part of this ruling. If in possession of the means to do so I would fight it tooth and nail, and I would think any other man concerned with the reputation of himself and his family would do the same. And it starts by fighting these erroneous procedures that deprived Elliott of the ability to defend himself.