First round RBs......who I am not drafting

[Brees#1]

There's a reason I'm rostering both his backups in dynasty.

Why it's not like Tannehill will use them?

 

[Brees#1]

Yep yep. I'm witcha on this.

I'm not sure on Fournette now though. I'll take him as a RB 2. But Jacksonville has a tough schedule

@Hou-maybe, run defense is iffy
Ten-yes, it's at home
Bal-NO
@NYJ-can they still stop the run?
@Pit-another up and down run d
LA-could be his best game of season
@Ind-good, not great
Cin-not as strong as Baltimore, depends on Bortles
SD-if their run d improves, no. Otherwise, decent
@Cle-was it me or was Cleveland better against the run last year?
@Ari-NO
Ind-YES
Sea-not sure
Hou-see week 1
@SF-if SF still sucks against the run second best game

The thing is I am trying to wrap my head around how he can be productive in so many losses. The schedule isn't that hard for him, but I just don't see wins against 10 of these teams(not including the obvious loss at Tennessee week 17) and I'm not sold on them beating NYJ, LA, and Hou week 15. I see Ten and SF as clear wins, maybe Cleveland.

And while this isn't RB related, I am also staying FAR away from Mike Evans. That is the defacto red flag for sure in the first round. He is this year's Hopkins.

 

[broncosmitty]

Why it's not like Tannehill will use them?

By "use" you mean hand them the ball after JA gets hurt?

I assume he will.

 

[SteelersPride]

i disagree on most of your d assessments

but how would tanny not use his backups if he gets hurt

also why is evans a big red flag

 

[The Foot]

So what happened last year with him? He wasn't a three down back?

I am not sure. I think he possibly rubbed the coach the wrong way some how or the coach didn't realize how good he was going to be. I read they are planning to use him this year as a 3 down rb. I like this coach cause he knows how to correct things and I think he will trust heavily in ajayi this year.

 

[ehb5]

I'm not sure on Fournette now though. I'll take him as a RB 2. But Jacksonville has a tough schedule

@Hou-maybe, run defense is iffy
Ten-yes, it's at home
Bal-NO
@NYJ-can they still stop the run?
@Pit-another up and down run d
LA-could be his best game of season
@Ind-good, not great
Cin-not as strong as Baltimore, depends on Bortles
SD-if their run d improves, no. Otherwise, decent
@Cle-was it me or was Cleveland better against the run last year?
@Ari-NO
Ind-YES
Sea-not sure
Hou-see week 1
@SF-if SF still sucks against the run second best game

The thing is I am trying to wrap my head around how he can be productive in so many losses. The schedule isn't that hard for him, but I just don't see wins against 10 of these teams(not including the obvious loss at Tennessee week 17) and I'm not sold on them beating NYJ, LA, and Hou week 15. I see Ten and SF as clear wins, maybe Cleveland.

And while this isn't RB related, I am also staying FAR away from Mike Evans. That is the defacto red flag for sure in the first round. He is this year's Hopkins.

How is evans this year's Hopkins?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

How is evans this year's Hopkins?

Yeah that's a head scratcher. I can see his numbers going down some as the Bucs spread the ball around more, and DJax siphon some of those long balls, but the guy should still be great.

 

[Chef99]

And while this isn't RB related, I am also staying FAR away from Mike Evans. That is the defacto red flag for sure in the first round. He is this year's Hopkins.

I wouldn't take Evans in the first round either, but why do you think this?

 

[Brees#1]

Yeah that's a head scratcher. I can see his numbers going down some as the Bucs spread the ball around more, and DJax siphon some of those long balls, but the guy should still be great.

Nothing good ever comes from having reduced production. Evans is not a first rounder if not for weeks 2-4 garbage TDs. In closer games against defenses that took him out, he was shut down all game(Oakland week 8). I do not like Evans over Brown, OBJ, Jones, Nelson, and Green.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Nothing good ever comes from having reduced production. Evans is not a first rounder if not for weeks 2-4 garbage TDs. In closer games against defenses that took him out, he was shut down all game(Oakland week 8). I do not like Evans over Brown, OBJ, Jones, Nelson, and Green.

Won't argue with you if you like those WRs better, but even with some regression he should be right there with those WRs.

 

[Brees#1]

I wouldn't take Evans in the first round either, but why do you think this?

See above. Extra targets to other players, won't be forced throws when down 20 points or two possessions late in the fourth.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Nothing good ever comes from having reduced production. Evans is not a first rounder if not for weeks 2-4 garbage TDs. In closer games against defenses that took him out, he was shut down all game(Oakland week 8). I do not like Evans over Brown, OBJ, Jones, Nelson, and Green.

Jones was shutdown worse then that three times last year and by the way the Oakland game was week 7 I believe.

 

[ehb5]

Nothing good ever comes from having reduced production. Evans is not a first rounder if not for weeks 2-4 garbage TDs. In closer games against defenses that took him out, he was shut down all game(Oakland week 8). I do not like Evans over Brown, OBJ, Jones, Nelson, and Green.

Theres a huge jump from "he might regress" to hes gonna fall of a cliff which is what youre saying.

 

[averagejoe]

The thing is I am trying to wrap my head around how he can be productive in so many losses.

I think you're approaching this all wrong.
Head coaches want ball control.
Bad teams especially want to use the clock to their advantage, not make the game longer.
One way to do that is to run the ball.

I looked back at the last 20 years of the top rushers (over 1K yards rushing).
9 of the top 20 rushers of the last 20 years (nearly half) played on losing teams.

Jamaal Charles in particular rushed for 1509 yards in 2012 (18th best rushing total in the last 20 years) but his Chiefs were 2 and 14.
Some other pretty notable names on the list too.
Frank Gore, Tiki Barber, Arian Foster, Maurice Jones-Drew, Steven Jackson, Willie Parker, Clinton Portis.

 

[Brees#1]

Jones was shutdown worse then that three times last year and by the way the Oakland game was week 7 I believe.

Yes I actually don't like Jones. I was just being PC.

 

[Brees#1]

Jones was shutdown worse then that three times last year and by the way the Oakland game was week 7 I believe.

No, it was week 8. TB played at SF week 7 because I remember SF had a bye between playing TB and us.

 

[Brees#1]

Theres a huge jump from "he might regress" to hes gonna fall of a cliff which is what youre saying.

It's like this. Evans now has three other players contending for targets(maybe four with Humphries/whoever in the slot). That's going to hurt Evans' chances of having the 100+ yard games he had last year. Evans is at risk from scoring 16-20 to scoring 11-15 more often on good games. He also in tougher games will not get force fed TDs and they will go to more open guys. He might get open in some but not all of them. Look at all the big offenses you won't find a 100 yard receiver often or one who scores TDs every week. And after week 1, look at his schedule
Chicago
@Minnesota
NYG
NE
@Arizona
@Buffalo
That is just too many tough secondaries for him. Maybe not Buffalo with Gilmore gone. But those four in a row all can shut him down and he won't be fed the ball with the other options there. And Chicago is probably not close which means he could end up with a less productive game. To think the bucs will put on a show against those teams and still give Evans 11+ per game is mind boggling. Oh and then they have Carolina, revamped saints secondary before their easy stretch where we will see how good Evans looks against the jets, falconsx2, packers, and lions with those other options. But that early schedule looks murderous.

 

[ehb5]

It's like this. Evans now has three other players contending for targets(maybe four with Humphries/whoever in the slot). That's going to hurt Evans' chances of having the 100+ yard games he had last year. Evans is at risk from scoring 16-20 to scoring 11-15 more often on good games. He also in tougher games will not get force fed TDs and they will go to more open guys. He might get open in some but not all of them. Look at all the big offenses you won't find a 100 yard receiver often or one who scores TDs every week. And after week 1, look at his schedule
Chicago
@Minnesota
NYG
NE
@Arizona
@Buffalo
That is just too many tough secondaries for him. Maybe not Buffalo with Gilmore gone. But those four in a row all can shut him down and he won't be fed the ball with the other options there. And Chicago is probably not close which means he could end up with a less productive game. To think the bucs will put on a show against those teams and still give Evans 11+ per game is mind boggling. Oh and then they have Carolina, revamped saints secondary before their easy stretch where we will see how good Evans looks against the jets, falconsx2, packers, and lions with those other options. But that early schedule looks murderous.

I think you're not considering how good he actually is. Players that good will get their targets. And as much as other players will steal looks they'll also open up opposing defenses and make things easier for evans himself.

Not to mention the list of WRs who have thrived in loaded offenses isn't short. Antonio brown, Jordy Nelson, demaryius thomas, Brandon Marshall and that's just off the top of my head. And finally - they didn't add any target hogs. They added a rookie tight end - highly unlikely he steals any targe - and desean jackson. Djax, while excellent, has never thrived on volume, but likely will open up the field for evans like he's never seen before.

 

[TREFF]

I think you're not considering how good he actually is. Players that good will get their targets. And as much as other players will steal looks they'll also open up opposing defenses and make things easier for evans himself.

Not to mention the list of WRs who have thrived in loaded offenses isn't short. Antonio brown, Jordy Nelson, demaryius thomas, Brandon Marshall and that's just off the top of my head. And finally - they didn't add any target hogs. They added a rookie tight end - highly unlikely he steals any targe - and desean jackson. Djax, while excellent, has never thrived on volume, but likely will open up the field for evans like he's never seen before.

Pretty much yep.

His target quantity might fall a little, but the quality of the results stands to improve, possibly greatly improve

 

[SteelersPride]

Pretty much yep.

His target quantity might fall a little, but the quality of the results stands to improve, possibly greatly improve

u cant argue..yet we continue to.