Can any of the Jordan-led Bulls team beat this Warriors?

[gordontrue]

I dis-agree, I think the Cavs offense is a mess

Outside of Kyries' one or 2 highlight film drives to the basket, he has shot horribly

And 2 guys in the starting lineup, and every single guy off that Cleveland bench are absolutely dreadful offensive players

Iman Shumpert and Deron Williams and JR Smith and Channing Frye, etc.etc.etc.

Just dreadful every time the ball finds them

Are you talking about the last 2 games or in general?

I don't think there's any denying that the Cavs offense is elite. I agree that it hasn't been elite the last 2 games, and the Warriors defense has certainly played a part in that. But we also have to be careful about letting 2 games dictate how we judge a team.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Are you talking about the last 2 games or in general?

I don't think there's any denying that the Cavs offense is elite. I agree that it hasn't been elite the last 2 games, and the Warriors defense has certainly played a part in that. But we also have to be careful about letting 2 games dictate how we judge a team.

Yeah, just these 2 games

 

[Clayton]

Only if that Bulls team existed in a universe where they grew up shooting 3pt shots all day. I think if you are able to take those players and give them different experiences then they could beat the Warriors. Without the spacing and ability with the 3pt shot, guys like Rodman would have some issues staying on the court like Tony Allen against the Spurs/Warriors. Luc Longley would never even make the court.

 

[Kold]

Can any of the Jordan-led Bulls team beat this Warriors?

Look at this team that was put together to dethrone LeBron. Jordan never had to face this kind of juggernaut team. But could he have beaten them?

Kind of an unfair question, because Jordan never played on a "Superteam", in an era that had 1 to 2 stars at most on a team

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

So do the bleeping Warriors right now, dude

Warriors are a different... Great team no doubt, but just different, they have shooters all over the place and can score points like crazy, but they do turn the ball over a lot, Lakers were more controlled with Magic running the point ... 87 Lakers also ran BEAUTIFUL fast breaks, that was one of there big time strengths.... Both teams are great though just different in there approach ...

 

[CitySushi]

Answer is depends. If you played by the older generation rules, where you could get more physical with hand checking, etc., I think the Bulls would likely win. The reason why guys like KD and Steph are so hard to guard is because there's a limited amount of contact that you can have with them. It allows them greater separation and makes them even bigger threats. If you're allowed to hand check guys like KD and Steph, it makes them a bit easier to guard and bit more predictable. The Bulls were also an elite level defensive team so that plays in their favor also. Klay and Draymond I don't think would be affected much if at all playing in that era though. Klay would be a Reggie clone and Draymond already does a bit of everything and can bang down low with Rodman or whoever.

But, if you played by today's rules, I think the Bulls would have a really hard time guarding on the perimeter against this Warriors team.

 

[RobBase]

The Bulls would obliterate both the Warriors and Cavs with physical defense and relentless offense. No way would the Bulls just let them shoot threes all night.

 

[Clayton]

Answer is depends. If you played by the older generation rules, where you could get more physical with hand checking, etc., I think the Bulls would likely win. The reason why guys like KD and Steph are so hard to guard is because there's a limited amount of contact that you can have with them. It allows them greater separation and makes them even bigger threats. If you're allowed to hand check guys like KD and Steph, it makes them a bit easier to guard and bit more predictable. The Bulls were also an elite level defensive team so that plays in their favor also. Klay and Draymond I don't think would be affected much if at all playing in that era though. Klay would be a Reggie clone and Draymond already does a bit of everything and can bang down low with Rodman or whoever.

But, if you played by today's rules, I think the Bulls would have a really hard time guarding on the perimeter against this Warriors team.

I think its totally about the rules. The Bulls were built to dominate their set of rules and the Warriors are built to dominate today's rules.

 

[CitySushi]

The Bulls would obliterate both the Warriors and Cavs with physical defense and relentless offense. No way would the Bulls just let them shoot threes all night.

LOL. Great insight.

The Warriors are also a pretty great defensive team, that for some reason no one likes to acknowledge. Klay is a superb defender and at 6'7" would make it at least interesting for Jordan. Jordan still gets his but not without a bit of a challenge. Then you have an almost 7'0 KD guarding Pippen. Then you have the Warriors best defensive player in Draymond guarding a non-threat in Rodman which would allow him to rove the paint. Does that play into your obliteration fantasy too?

At worst, this matchup is super close.

 

[RobBase]

LOL. Great insight.

The Warriors are also a pretty great defensive team, that for some reason no one likes to acknowledge. Klay is a superb defender and at 6'7" would make it at least interesting for Jordan. Jordan still gets his but not without a bit of a challenge. Then you have an almost 7'0 KD guarding Pippen. Then you have the Warriors best defensive player in Draymond guarding a non-threat in Rodman which would allow him to rove the paint. Does that play into your obliteration fantasy too?

At worst, this matchup is super close.

Its apples to oranges comparing 80s-90s bball to today's game. Its not the same sport. Draymond Green is a choir boy compared to Rodman, and Lebron is more like a James Worthy than a Michael Jordan.

These comparisons only occur for comparisons sake.

 

[CitySushi]

Its apples to oranges comparing 80s-90s bball to today's game. Its not the same sport. Draymond Green is a choir boy compared to Rodman, and Lebron is more like a James Worthy than a Michael Jordan.

These comparisons only occur for comparisons sake.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I'll take the Bulls in 6 or 7

 

[RobBase]

Cool rapper picture. You insecure snowflakes take it as an attack on your generation, a personal insult. Its not. The rules have changed, the game has changed. Its apples to oranges. You'll live.

 

[CitySushi]

Cool rapper picture. You insecure snowflakes take it as an attack on your generation, a personal insult. Its not. The rules have changed, the game has changed. Its apples to oranges. You'll live.

How am I the insecure one when you're clinging to the past? I've been objective about everything I said, even dictating terms of why I believe things to be true. Also if you actually had read ANY of my post, you would see that I said exactly this. It's not my fault you have the reading comprehension ability of a 6 year old.

 

[ChrisWebber]

Depends, is hand checking allowed?

 

[Smart]

Well I guess if the Bulls players could shut down some of the best players of all time, then they probably wouldn't have a problem with the Warriors.

To each their own. IMO, Steph Curry is a one of a kind player. Someone with great vision and perhaps the best shot in the history of the league. Dismissively saying that Jordan would shut him down seems a little easy.

I think you're the one who is being dismissive of Jordan. He is arguably the best defensive guard in NBA history.

 

[Rock Strongo]

vegas says no

 

[tlance]

I think it would be a great matchup. I am glad to see that people are giving this team it's due. Because really, when looking for good matchups it comes down to the '96 Bulls and the best of the Showtime Lakers ('87 I believe). The current Warriors are on that level. Take either side you want, but that is the company the dubs are in.

What is interesting is that the Bulls played a style of defense that was unlike many teams in their era, but actually quite comparable to the best defensive teams of today. Most teams in the 90's defended inside out. While the Bulls had very strong interior defense, it wasn't what made the unit great.

They were able to pressure the ball in the half court with long, versatile perimeter defenders and they forced a lot of mistakes. The Strength of their defense was outside in, much like the way the Warriors and Spurs defend today. Obviously the Bulls were a better version though.

Still, when it comes to individual matchups, I give the edge to the Warriors. Pippen is the best defensive small forward I have ever seen, but he would be giving up 5 inches to KD. No chance he shuts him down. In fact, I don't even think the Bulls would have matched that way. Pippen on Curry makes more sense. KD is scoring on anybody, so I am leaving Haprer on him with help. Also, I don't see either team spending much time with centers on the court. The series would likely be decided by who could best take advantage of the other team's weak link defensively (Curry/Kukoc).

I think the Warriors have the edge because they just have more weapons and their spread offense is impossible to defend. the Warriors Also have the edge of being able to dictate favorable matchups by using ball screens. The triangle really does not use that many ball screens. Unless we are also assuming the Bulls play a more modern offense, that is likely the difference.

 

[CitySushi]

I think it would be a great matchup. I am glad to see that people are giving this team it's due. Because really, when looking for good matchups it comes down to the '96 Bulls and the best of the Showtime Lakers ('87 I believe). The current Warriors are on that level. Take either side you want, but that is the company the dubs are in.

What is interesting is that the Bulls played a style of defense that was unlike many teams in their era, but actually quite comparable to the best defensive teams of today. Most teams in the 90's defended inside out. While the Bulls had very strong interior defense, it wasn't what made the unit great.

They were able to pressure the ball in the half court with long, versatile perimeter defenders and they forced a lot of mistakes. The Strength of their defense was outside in, much like the way the Warriors and Spurs defend today. Obviously the Bulls were a better version though.

Still, when it comes to individual matchups, I give the edge to the Warriors. Pippen is the best defensive small forward I have ever seen, but he would be giving up 5 inches to KD. No chance he shuts him down. In fact, I don't even think the Bulls would have matched that way. Pippen on Curry makes more sense. KD is scoring on anybody, so I am leaving Haprer on him with help. Also, I don't see either team spending much time with centers on the court. The series would likely be decided by who could best take advantage of the other team's weak link defensively (Curry/Kukoc).

I think the Warriors have the edge because they just have more weapons and their spread offense is impossible to defend. the Warriors Also have the edge of being able to dictate favorable matchups by using ball screens. The triangle really does not use that many ball screens. Unless we are also assuming the Bulls play a more modern offense, that is likely the difference.

Great post. Don't you also think though that the rules of the generation would be more indicative of who could potentially win? When I was reading your break down, it was all under the assumption of modern rules. With the implementation of hand checking, I think that negates a lot of the effectiveness of both KD and Curry. Both are great scorers, but the Bulls with their athletic wings could create more problems with more allowable contact.

I would say modern rules heavily favor the Warriors and with that they could potentially win. However if they played under more contact rules, Curry would have a much harder time creating separation and KD would find him self being physically bullied a lot.

 

[tlance]

Great post. Don't you also think though that the rules of the generation would be more indicative of who could potentially win? When I was reading your break down, it was all under the assumption of modern rules. With the implementation of hand checking, I think that negates a lot of the effectiveness of both KD and Curry. Both are great scorers, but the Bulls with their athletic wings could create more problems with more allowable contact.

I would say modern rules heavily favor the Warriors and with that they could potentially win. However if they played under more contact rules, Curry would have a much harder time creating separation and KD would find him self being physically bullied a lot.

I would say no. But only because I think that it would have negligible affect. Hand checking is the single most overrated rule there is. If the Bulls are allowed to hand check, so are the Warriors. I think Curry would be impacted most, but not enough to significantly change the outcome.

Everybody grows up hand checking playing in the local park. The hard thing to do is learn to play D without it. Much easier for the Warriors to adjust than it is for the Bulls.