Series Thread: NBA Finals: Warriors vs Cavaliers

[WiggyRuss]

Only in Wiggyworld.
Convince us again why they aren't a supposed super team.
Heat was just a better version.
If you win this year my opinion will change.

great tactic.

I tell you why its CLEARLY different--- make you look foolish--- you have no way to refute what i said- so you try and change the subject and discount it. Great job. LOL

 

[Black Adam]

yiiikkkeeeessss...

hurry up and get here, Thursday...

 

[trojanfan12]

Call the Cavs a superteams if you want, but they are not as "super" as the Warriors or the Heat.

Who said they were. Just because the Cavs got out superteamed, doesn't mean they aren't one. It's really not that difficult to grasp.

Additionally, if folks want to say they weren't a super team when Lebron joined them (which I don't buy, but for the sake of argument, I'll agree), they sure as fuck are now. They have the highest payroll in league history, the best player in the game, 2 other all stars with 2 finals appearances and a championship under their belts and roster full of veterans who also have playoff and championship experience.

If that's not a superteam, then no team in the history of the game has been a superteam.

 

[tlance]

Who said they were. Just because the Cavs got out superteamed, doesn't mean they aren't won. It's reallhy not that difficult to grasp.

Additionally, if folks want to say they weren't a super team when Lebron joined them (which I don't but, but for the sake of argument, I'll agree), they sure as fuck are now. They have the highest payroll in league history, the best player in the game, 2 other all stars with 2 finals appearances and a championship under their belts and roster full of veterans who also have playoff and championship experience.

If that's not a superteam, then no team in the history of the game has been a superteam.

I would not go that far. Clearly the warriors are more super.

Also, the payroll thing really means nothing. Obviously the team with the highest payroll today will have the highest in league history. Guess what? In 10 years, the team with the highest payroll then will also be highest in league history whether they are a super team or not.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

great tactic.

I tell you why its CLEARLY different--- make you look foolish--- you have no way to refute what i said- so you try and change the subject and discount it. Great job. LOL

Easy as hell to refute.
I was just trying to simplify.
I never said identical top to bottom.
James plus 2 all stars surrounded by several veteran 3 point shooters.
It's the exact same blueprint.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I would not go that far. Clearly the warriors are more super.

Also, the payroll thing really means nothing. Obviously the team with the highest payroll today will have the highest in league history. Guess what? In 10 years, the team with the highest payroll then will also be highest in league history whether they are a super team or not.

Big potential difference though.
Sometimes teams sign players and over time the big contracts become bad ones.
Not the case here.

 

[trojanfan12]

I would not go that far. Clearly the warriors are more super.

Are you serious or just trolling? Did you not read in my post where I said they got out superteamed? Just because they got out superteamed, doesn't mean they aren't one.

As I posted earlier...it just means the Cavs are Iron Man rather than Superman.

Also, the payroll thing really means nothing. Obviously the team with the highest payroll today will have the highest in league history. Guess what?

Guess what? It absolutely does mean something. It means a lot actually. You don't spend that kind of money on a non-superteam unless you are the Nets or Knicks and even they thought they were getting superteams.

Teams don't put out that kind of cash for a non-superteam. Whether the team they put together with that money performs like a superteam or not, doesn't change the intent.

It doesn't matter what some team may or may not do 10 years from now. It matters what's going on now and now the Cavs have the highest payroll in the league history because they are paying for a superteam.

You're just trying to move goalposts. Just admit they're a superteam and move on.

 

[trojanfan12]

great tactic.

I tell you why its CLEARLY different--- make you look foolish--- you have no way to refute what i said- so you try and change the subject and discount it. Great job. LOL

Your "point" has been refuted easily. Your inability to grasp it is on you.

 

[tnapucco]

Gawd, I know we haven't talked lately. Well, really we've never really talked at all seeing how I don't think you exist. But, I'm an open minded fellow...and, perchance the collective consciousness of our little ball of dirt has conjured you out of the universe's ass, I gotta ask you for a solid.

Smite the warriors. Smite them like they owe you money. Smite them like they gave your old lady the herps. They are lustful, murderous creatures who drink the blood of the newborn. They smell. They cheat on their taxes. They think the NEW Coke tasted better than the old Coke. Smite them verily.

This I pray, in Mookie Blaylock's name.

Play ball.

 

[tlance]

Are you serious or just trolling? Did you not read in my post where I said they got out superteamed? Just because they got out superteamed, doesn't mean they aren't one.

As I posted earlier...it just means the Cavs are Iron Man rather than Superman.


Guess what? It absolutely does mean something. It means a lot actually. You don't spend that kind of money on a non-superteam unless you are the Nets or Knicks and even they thought they were getting superteams.

Teams don't put out that kind of cash for a non-superteam. Whether the team they put together with that money performs like a superteam or not, doesn't change the intent.

It doesn't matter what some team may or may not do 10 years from now. It matters what's going on now and now the Cavs have the highest payroll in the league history because they are paying for a superteam.

You're just trying to move goalposts. Just admit they're a superteam and move on.

You said in the same post that the Warriors out superteamed them, then later said that if there has ever been a super team then the Cavs are one. Does that not sound like a contradiction to you?

As for the money thing? Go look up the highest payroll in the league over the last 20 years and tell me how often the best team has the highest payroll. The Warriors are middle of the pack this year and the Blazers are currently projected to be further over the cap than the Cavs next year. Are they a superteam too? Are the Warriors not a super team?

During the Heat run, do you know which teams had the highest payrolls? The Lakers and Nets. So yes. Owners do shell out that kind of money for non Super teams. It happens almost every year.

By the way, you do realize this entire conversation is opinion right? You act there is right and wrong here. My definition of superteam is multiple prime superstars with additional star caliber talent. The Heat and Warriors meet that, but the Cavs do not IMO.

You are welcome to your opinion, but mine is not wrong.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You said in the same post that the Warriors out superteamed them, then later said that if there has ever been a super team then the Cavs are one. Does that not sound like a contradiction to you?

As for the money thing? Go look up the highest payroll in the league over the last 20 years and tell me how often the best team has the highest payroll. The Warriors are middle of the pack this year and the Blazers are currently projected to be further over the cap than the Cavs next year. Are they a superteam too? Are the Warriors not a super team?

During the Heat run, do you know which teams had the highest payrolls? The Lakers and Nets. So yes. Owners do shell out that kind of money for non Super teams. It happens almost every year.

By the way, you do realize this entire conversation is opinion right? You act there is right and wrong here. My definition of superteam is multiple prime superstars with additional star caliber talent. The Heat and Warriors meet that, but the Cavs do not IMO.

You are welcome to your opinion, but mine is not wrong.

Who were the additional star caliber talent players that the Heat had?

 

[WiggyRuss]

LeBron, Cavs teammates were lit at Future's concert

good article on lue:


Of the many juicy subplots between the Cavs and Warriors, one that frequently goes overlooked is Lue, the former assistant who has blossomed in no time into one of the league’s brightest young head coaches and a playoff savant.

He’s 28-6 in two postseasons with Cleveland. His players credit Lue’s soothing, steady influence – on and off the floor – as nearly as vital to their success as a clutch Kyrie Irving 3-pointer.

“It’s just his level of calmness no matter what’s going on,” LeBron James said following practice. “He always talks about, at the end of the day, he’s already won in life, so whatever else happens after this is extra credit. And I feel the same way. That’s why I relate to him so much. Lose here, or you win a game here, it’s like, `All right, cool. I’ve already done so much more than anybody ever gave me credit of doing or thought I can do, so there’s no reason to get too high or too low.’

“So it’s the even-keel mentality about our coach and it definitely helps us as players when we’re going out into a war.”

 

[trojanfan12]

You said in the same post that the Warriors out superteamed them, then later said that if there has ever been a super team then the Cavs are one. Does that not sound like a contradiction to you?

Not at all. You're really grasping at straws here. As I said, just because they got out superteamed, doesn't mean they aren't a superteam. Just like the Warriors, they fit the definition, the Warriors just one upped them.

As for the money thing? Go look up the highest payroll in the league over the last 20 years and tell me how often the best team has the highest payroll. The Warriors are middle of the pack this year and the Blazers are currently projected to be further over the cap than the Cavs next year. Are they a superteam too? Are the Warriors not a super team?

I don't need to. Name a team that has spent that kind of money to put together a bunch of average players. Just because the Warriors got lucky with the timing of their contracts doesn't change the fact that the teams with the highest payroll were expecting superteams and championship results. In a couple of years, when some of those bargain contracts the Warriors have now are due to end, if they want to keep the team together, their payroll will explode.

Find me a team that had the highest payroll that wasn't trying to put together a superteam. Do you think that when the Lakers brought in Dwight and Nash to team with Kobe that they weren't looking to put together a superteam? No team pays that kind of money looking to be an 8th seed.

During the Heat run, do you know which teams had the highest payrolls? The Lakers and Nets. So yes. Owners do shell out that kind of money for non Super teams. It happens almost every year.

Are you intentionally ignoring things? I mentioned the Nets and the Knicks and in this post I brought up the Lakers. Every single on of those teams thought they were putting together a superteam and were expecting championship results. It didn't work out for them, but it doesn't change the intent.

So no, teams don't shell out that kind of money almost every year for non-superteams. At least not intentionally.

By the way, you do realize this entire conversation is opinion right? You act there is right and wrong here.

This sentence should embarrass you. Everyone, including you, has posted like there is right and wrong.

 

[msgkings322]

Find me a team that had the highest payroll that wasn't trying to put together a superteam. Do you think that when the Lakers brought in Dwight and Nash to team with Kobe that they weren't looking to put together a superteam? No team pays that kind of money looking to be an 8th seed.


Are you intentionally ignoring things? I mentioned the Nets and the Knicks and in this post I brought up the Lakers. Every single on of those teams thought they were putting together a superteam and were expecting championship results. It didn't work out for them, but it doesn't change the intent.

So no, teams don't shell out that kind of money almost every year for non-superteams. At least not intentionally.



This sentence should embarrass you. Everyone, including you, has posted like there is right and wrong.

I think you are getting too deep in the woods here to avoid 'conceding' something. What does "intent" have to do with it? You are a "superteam" or you aren't. Everyone's "intent" is to create the best team they can. Some get lucky and end up with "superteams". They are super not because of intent but because of what they are.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Podcasting in LeBron's orbit, Cavs' Jefferson, Frye their own kind of kings

has been an under-rated part of the Cavs season. Jefferson and Frye started this podcast which has really blown up. Its great too- a very behind-the-scenes type look at the Cavs and the teams great chemistry- almost all the guys have said is the best they have ever experienced on a team.

When away from Cleveland, James likes to get the team together and go to restaurants. "I always joked LeBron's part-Italian," Jefferson said, because it isn't unusual for a dinner to last five hours in a private room, with wine, appetizers, music, an NBA game on the television and … impassioned debates. If there was a lightbulb moment, it occurred at dinner.

"All we would do is sit in there and argue about who's the best small forward of all time, who did this, do you remember this player, top-five this," Jefferson said. "I was like, dude, fans would love this."

 

[msgkings322]

This sentence should embarrass you. Everyone, including you, has posted like there is right and wrong.

I haven't. I've been pretty plain that all of this is just opinion and there's no way to "prove" it. That's the whole point and fun of arguing about sports. There's no definitive "right" answer when comparing teams or eras or players.

 

[msgkings322]

Podcasting in LeBron's orbit, Cavs' Jefferson, Frye their own kind of kings

has been an under-rated part of the Cavs season. Jefferson and Frye started this podcast which has really blown up. Its great too- a very behind-the-scenes type look at the Cavs and the teams great chemistry- almost all the guys have said is the best they have ever experienced on a team.

They'll have fun together after the Finals commiserating.

 

[WiggyRuss]

They'll have fun together after the Finals commiserating.

retiring with a second ring will be bitter sweet for Jefferson.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I haven't. I've been pretty plain that all of this is just opinion and there's no way to "prove" it. That's the whole point and fun of arguing about sports. There's no definitive "right" answer when comparing teams or ERAs or players.

the only definitive thing i know is LeBron is a helluva lot better than Kobe

oh, and TT owns Whiteside.

lol.

and if Kyrie outplays Steph again Steph is gonna have a hard time living it down.

 

[msgkings322]

the only definitive thing i know is LeBron is a helluva lot better than Kobe

oh, and TT owns Whiteside.

lol.

and if Kyrie outplays Steph again Steph is gonna have a hard time living it down.

Steph is healthy this time so not happening. But even if it happens, if the Warriors win no one will care.