MBBRL Suicide 'A' Draft

[leftypower]

Well definitely think that West will be a better asset than Dixon this season at least. Dixon is more of a pass catching phenomena then a run between the tackles type. He got Woodhead blocking him this year for that role, he's suspended on top of that. At best he'll be part of a committee. But he'll have missed a chunk of time. Now let's talk about his injury history, it's not pretty. Starting with his college career, then looking at his first year as a pro, not encouraging at all.
Not impressed with West what so ever...yet rather have him in a redraft for this season. Could end up eating that opinion IDK.

I really have no idea how you guys have come to that conclusion - the numbers simply do not support it. 3 down back in college and started taking over touches last yr. Sure he has to prove it on the field and his 'start' to his NFL career hasn't been anything to get excited about - but talent always ends up winning and he does possess more talent than West. Albeit, I give West credit - he has been the more reliable to this point.

 

[TREFF]

I really have no idea how you guys have come to that conclusion - the numbers simply do not support it. 3 down back in college and started taking over touches last yr. Sure he has to prove it on the field and his 'start' to his NFL career hasn't been anything to get excited about - but talent always ends up winning and he does possess more talent than West. Albeit, I give West credit - he has been the more reliable to this point.

I'm only getting it from my own eye test.. he just doesn't pass it as an every down back. And there's no explaining other than, i just don't see it

 

[leftypower]

I'm only getting it from my own eye test.. he just doesn't pass it as an every down back. And there's no explaining other than, i just don't see it

Well, we shall see. I'm high on the kid as you can tell and the Ravens staff is as well. I've been wrong before (Karlos Williams) but just feel right on this one. But did make a trade for West in dynasty - - just in case ....

 

[bksballer89]

Are not all the players late in the draft long shots? Other then Snead, I don't see other vets providing much, so the bar is set low.

You're wrong

 

[Barilko]

Don't get me started on rookies.
Especially in this format.

Well ill i can say is that i'm thrilled our Better Than Average Joe isn't ranking my team

because i'm guilty times 4

Fournette
Corey Davis
Jamaal Williams
Engram

well it is suicide is it not?

I guess i have a Grunge Fantasy Team

 

[averagejoe]

You're wrong

Maybe I need to do a comparison between drafted rookies and drafted vets?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Maybe I need to do a comparison between drafted rookies and drafted vets?

If you do, start from the late rounds like round 11 on.

 

[averagejoe]

That might be too late.
I mean, if suicide is any indication, owners are drafting worthless defenses in round 11. Might need to bump it up to round 10?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

That might be too late.
I mean, if suicide is any indication, owners are drafting worthless defenses in round 11. Might need to bump it up to round 10?

Your right, maybe even start in the 9th round.

 

[tlance]

I actually agree with Harold here. I'd rather have Dixon in a keeper/dynasty league but I'd rather have West this year. Not only is Dixon going to miss the first four games, but you also have to put their bye week in that, so he's missing 5 of the 14 regular season fantasy games. Plus, they are not going to just throw the main ball carrier duties to him in week 5, I don't care how bad West is, because remember that Dixon also can't practice during those four weeks. At best I see him being in a committee from weeks 5 to 7 until their bye in week 8, then taking over primary ball carrier duties in week 9. No matter what though, Woodhead is going to steal some touches from both those guys if he can stay on the field. The biggest reason I would rather have West this year though is the amount of times that guys come back from suspension or injury during the season and then end up getting hurt because the team tries to rush them back too quickly.

Eh.

I don't care about the first 4 games. I care about having him once the bye weeks start. He is my RB4 in a league where I can only start 2. Dixon has the ability to run away with the job. West does not.

 

[tlance]

I really have no idea how you guys have come to that conclusion - the numbers simply do not support it. 3 down back in college and started taking over touches last yr. Sure he has to prove it on the field and his 'start' to his NFL career hasn't been anything to get excited about - but talent always ends up winning and he does possess more talent than West. Albeit, I give West credit - he has been the more reliable to this point.

Harbaugh is on record saying he thinks Dixon can be one of the top backs in the league. A lot of ifs and buts there, but still.

 

[leftypower]

Shady vs Lefty:
In order to eliminate personal biases, I went to fantasypro and used the top 20, positional and overall rankings, as the bases to compare teams. With that said, this will change once we get through training camp, pre-season and more 'experts' post their rankings.So it is only meaningful as of today and assumes they all play 16 games.

QBs: Mariota (7) and Wentz (19) vs Carr (12) and Bortles (20) - edge Shady
RBs: Elliott (3), Lynch (15), Coleman (22) and Blount (43) vs Bell (2), Miller (11), Ty Mo (23) and Forte (37) - slight edge Lefty
WRs: Cooks (14), Hill (31), M. Bryant (36) and Crowder (34) vs Dez (9), Tate (25), Fitz (26) and Diggs (29) - slight edge Lefty
TE: Kelce (2) vs Rudlph (8) or Bennett (9) - edge Lefty
DST: Raiders (17) vs Ravens (9) - edge Lefty
K: Vinateri (4) vs Bryant (2) - slight edge Lefty

Personally I think this very close up and down the board. Health will be the true deciding factor and I actually like the prospect of his guys staying on the field for a full season over mine.

 

[averagejoe]

Your right, maybe even start in the 9th round.

Should I just compare positions in each round? That might be fair.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Should I just compare positions in each round? That might be fair.

Your call. Think the vets in the higher rounds are obvious no brainers, it's really how they stack up once the talent pool gets thinner.

 

[TREFF]

Harbaugh is on record saying he thinks Dixon can be one of the top backs in the league. A lot of ifs and buts there, but still.

True, but in fairness, what coach doesn't say that about his young, unproven/struggling/injured/ whatever, RB's? About the only time we ever don't hear that is when they actually are one of the best backs in the league. I think i heard Kubiak say that about Kapri Bibs, Ronnie Hillman, Juwan Thompson, CJ Anderson, and Booker each, at various points in the past 3 seasons, and none of them are, some couldn't even make the active roster each week. And I'm sure someone has a sound bite of Vance Joseph saying it about DeAngelo Henderson.

 

[Bandit]

Eh.

I don't care about the first 4 games. I care about having him once the bye weeks start. He is my RB4 in a league where I can only start 2. Dixon has the ability to run away with the job. West does not.

Okay, I guess this is all perspective. If you have two other running backs that are starters, then this is true, if you draft Dixon as your RB2, you could lose the first four weeks and then you're already screwed. It's not like the guy is Leveon Bell and is going to average 20 points a week when he gets off suspension to make up the difference. I also don't see how it's possible that you guys see him as an every down back when they signed one of the best pass catching running backs in the league in free agency last year. Only time will tell and it's silly to argue about this in May, but I just don't see how he wins the job outright before week 9, which means you get a true starter (which for me means 20 touches and the goal line carries) for 5 weeks of the fantasy season that still isn't going to play third downs.

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

Okay, I guess this is all perspective. If you have two other running backs that are starters, then this is true, if you draft Dixon as your RB2, you could lose the first four weeks and then you're already screwed. It's not like the guy is Leveon Bell and is going to average 20 points a week when he gets off suspension to make up the difference. I also don't see how it's possible that you guys see him as an every down back when they signed one of the best pass catching running backs in the league in free agency last year. Only time will tell and it's silly to argue about this in May, but I just don't see how he wins the job outright before week 9, which means you get a true starter (which for me means 20 touches and the goal line carries) for 5 weeks of the fantasy season that still isn't going to play third downs.

This concern is why the old guys grabbed TWest in a pricey trade to backup Dixon who we drafted last year.

 

[tlance]

Okay, I guess this is all perspective. If you have two other running backs that are starters, then this is true, if you draft Dixon as your RB2, you could lose the first four weeks and then you're already screwed. It's not like the guy is Leveon Bell and is going to average 20 points a week when he gets off suspension to make up the difference. I also don't see how it's possible that you guys see him as an every down back when they signed one of the best pass catching running backs in the league in free agency last year. Only time will tell and it's silly to argue about this in May, but I just don't see how he wins the job outright before week 9, which means you get a true starter (which for me means 20 touches and the goal line carries) for 5 weeks of the fantasy season that still isn't going to play third downs.

Who is drafting Dixon as an RB2 though?

It will be great if he ends up as one, but if I need him before week 9, I will have bigger concerns on my team than RB2.

 

[averagejoe]

Eh.

I don't care about the first 4 games. I care about having him once the bye weeks start. He is my RB4 in a league where I can only start 2. Dixon has the ability to run away with the job. West does not.

Let me just say as 2016 LeVeon Bell owner... those 2 games he was suspended were the longest 2 games of my fantasy life.
Can't imagine waiting 4 games for Dixon. That's like 1/3 of your season.
Then he may need a game to be in "game shape" and shake the rust off.

 

[tlance]

Let me just say as 2016 LeVeon Bell owner... those 2 games he was suspended were the longest 2 games of my fantasy life.
Can't imagine waiting 4 games for Dixon. That's like 1/3 of your season.
Then he may need a game to be in "game shape" and shake the rust off.

But again Joe, I did not draft Dixon in the first 2 rounds. Or the first 7 rounds for that matter. He is not a projected fantasy starter for me. None of you guys are using your RB4 before byes hit unless you run into serious problems.

Waiting for Bell and waiting for Dixon is not nearly the same.