POLL Who Is the Greatest Quarterback of All Time?

[DirtDirtDirt]

And do I seem like someone who uses the rings argument?

No, im talking to the idiots through you

 

[Fountain City Blues]

No, im talking to the idiots through you

He's hardly an idiot... Of all the guys you pick it's him?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

You can isolate traits with film or cancel out some of the noise with intelligent use of stats. By no means do I claim perfection, just that stats (and qualitative analysis) are better than the show me the rings mindset which leaves out far too much, imo.

I think you're missing or ignoring the point. If you or others want to use the arguement trophies are team accomplishments then you must also include stats as a team accomplishment when factoring the greatest. Unless it doesn't fit your motive because your subject doesn't have the championships?
It's actually that simple. You don't have to over analyze it.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Seeding matters a great deal so I'd say more than is popularly believed. So sure.

I am more responding to the undercurrent that Brady is the unquestioned GOAT because of rings when I think that's completely the wrong way to look at it- and I think he's very worthy of being in that conversation.

Sure but seeding doesn't mean anything in the Super Bowl since it's on a neutral field.

And have you seen me say that Brady is the GOAT because of rings?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

He's hardly an idiot... Of all the guys you pick it's him?

He knows I dont think he's an idiot, thats not at all what my post was implying

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I think you're missing or ignoring the point. If you or others want to use the arguement trophies are team accomplishments then you must also include stats as a team accomplishment when factoring the greatest. Unless it doesn't fit your motive because your subject doesn't have the championships?
It's actually that simple. You don't have to over analyze it.

You're using an epistemological that is as old as dirt. Does my method have flaws? Absolutely. Do I think it is superior to what it is currently opposed by? Absolutely.

Mountains and molehills.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Sure but seeding doesn't mean anything in the Super Bowl since it's on a neutral field.

And have you seen me say that Brady is the GOAT because of rings?

No, but the probability of reaching the SB (and therefore winning it) is increased via seeding.

 

[soxfan1468927]

No, im talking to the idiots through you

Well try not to throw their points at me when I'm not the one making them. I haven't actually seen anyone say that Brady is the best because of 5 rings, but to be honest I'm not reading every post. Just the ones that are direct responses.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I think you're missing or ignoring the point. If you or others want to use the arguement trophies are team accomplishments then you must also include stats as a team accomplishment when factoring the greatest. Unless it doesn't fit your motive because your subject doesn't have the championships?
It's actually that simple. You don't have to over analyze it.

Too many small factors that get ignored when just using rings

Its ok to think Brady is the greatest ever

But if Vinatieri wasnt superman, if Malcolm Butler, if the Tuck Rule, etc....Brady came so close to winning or losing a few more or a few less, its hard for me to just conclude coming out on the winning end makes him the greatest ever.....

 

[Rex Racer]

Like I said before the Patriots defense is solid year in and year out.

Not really, there has a few years where the D was pretty lousy.

 

[soxfan1468927]

He's hardly an idiot... Of all the guys you pick it's him?

Dirt and I are butt buddies, I knew what he meant.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Well try not to throw their points at me when I'm not the one making them. I haven't actually seen anyone say that Brady is the best because of 5 rings, but to be honest I'm not reading every post. Just the ones that are direct responses.

of course its because of the rings that "Most" of them think it

 

[soxfan1468927]

No, but the probability of reaching the SB (and therefore winning it) is increased via seeding.

Of course, no argument there.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Seems we all agree Tom Brady sucks

 

[Ricky Roma]

Seems we all agree Tom Brady sucks

I wouldn't go that far. He's no Aaron Rodgers though.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

And your point is?

The point is many are arguing this team or that teams D sucked
Do a better job at building a well balanced team. There is a cap. So a player's accomplishments shouldn't be predicated on ineptness of his team, coaches or GMs. Players make the decision after their 1st contract (unless ur name is Manning) if they want to win they move on or renegotiate contracts so the team is more competative.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Like I said before the Patriots defense is solid year in and year out.

They haven't dropped to the point of below average in giving up points, of course. But it hasn't been nearly has consistent as the offense. Hovered between 8 and 15 in points allowed over the last 7 years up until this last year.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Yes Bill is a great GM as well as coach. Many folks don't realize his eye for talent.

As well as his ability to manage the cap. Thus the reason NE is always competative.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

The point is many are arguing this team or that teams D sucked
Do a better job at building a well balanced team. There is a cap. So a player's accomplishments shouldn't be predicated on ineptness of his team, coaches or GMs. Players make the decision after their 1st contract (unless ur name is Manning) if they want to win they move on or renegotiate contracts so the team is more competative.

Totally cool with that, but there's good reason the Colts and Packers get hammered as organizations in these debates be it coaching or the FO and GM in the case of the Colts. They underwhelm despite a top shelf QB.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

There will never be consensus on GOAT but it is fun to discuss.

Oh I know. I just find the argument that using stats isn't a team accomplishment funny. So in order to argue a point further hardware does factor in.