Redskins' Kirk Cousins: Still far apart on extension terms

[Sharkinva]

Actually if that was the outcome the franchise tag made a lot more sense than a long term deal. They paid to see, just as they did this last year.

If two years of good performance hasnt convinced them, then nothing short of a Lombardi will do it. Mean while they risk doing what we have seen other teams do, drive the player to a point where he doesnt want to be here. Or if he does stay, they are simply driving his price even higher.

I realize people want to say they are being smart about it, and they still want to see more. But at what point does it become an act of futility??

I have actually come to the point where I hope they do make him play on the tag, because I expect him to improve to the point where they wont want to afford him.

 

[Sportster 72]

If two years of good performance hasnt convinced them, then nothing short of a Lombardi will do it. Mean while they risk doing what we have seen other teams do, drive the player to a point where he doesnt want to be here. Or if he does stay, they are simply driving his price even higher.

I realize people want to say they are being smart about it, and they still want to see more. But at what point does it become an act of futility??

I have actually come to the point where I hope they do make him play on the tag, because I expect him to improve to the point where they wont want to afford him.

Based on a few folks on this forum I am thinking another 10 years of QBing inside the top 8 of the NFL will do the trick.

Maybe

 

[Sharkinva]

Based on a few folks on this forum I am thinking another 10 years of QBing inside the top 8 of the NFL will do the trick.

Maybe

IM just reminded of how people were adamant that Brad Johnson was not good enough to help a team win a Lombardi because he wasnt elite. So we were better off getting some one who had elite traits.... We see how that worked out.

 

[skinsdad62]

If it wasn't you some poster said pay KC no matter what b/c we have no other option. We already went through this. Kc would have never signed the lowball offer SM gave. Why do you think that offer was a fair market value offer? Sm wanted KC to play on the tag b/c the ORGANIZATION was still unsure if they were going to give him a big deal or not. It was SM's idea of giving him the tag. plus he was praises for it by other Gm's such as Bill Polian.This was explained in the recent article. Rumors were that KC wanted 25m per season after the 2015 season, which was nuts. That is why the tag was placed on him.

I was constantly debated on here b/c I didn't want to give KC the highest paid Qb in the league type deal. So then I was called a KC hater b/c I did not want to do this. From my memory it s was you, shark, socal and others who said this. This was around Feb and March.

allen killed the deal dean he would havesigned it

 

[skinsdad62]

Im not clueless about this subject b/c SM just proved my theory that the Skins were not going to throw a ton of money at KC last year or this year.

how exactly did he prove it again ?

 

[deanpet21]

allen killed the deal dean he would havesigned it

no proof of that at all.

 

[deanpet21]

how exactly did he prove it again ?

by Sm latest article that he did not want to sign his to a huge deal. Sm wanted the tag. Why do I have to keep repeating myself?

 

[Ruzious]

The last time we gambled for greatness, we had four years of relatively cheap QB cost, and three years of no first round pick and hoping some one would slip to us in the second round that was capable of coming in and contributing right away. If you make this kind of move you damn well better not miss and come up with another flash in the pan QB, because all it will mean is you end up paying other teams free agents to fill the gap for the multiple first rounders you gave up.

Also lets note... we gave up two extra firsts and a 2nd to move up four spots. Total cost on RG3 was three 1st and a 2nd. So basically you are saying, lets put all our eggs in the QB basket, because we accept that aside from another trade, we are not going to have a first rounder. Now lord help us if we finish say 8-8, and we are picking at around #17 and we want to trade up for a QB. I can only shudder at what it would cost us to trade up into the top five in order to secure the next great hope.

It's not we; it's them. It it was we, it would have included me - who said you learn from Mike Vick and never get a QB so reliant on running, because no matter how well they play, they're going to be beat up by the post-season. Every good year (or half good year) that Vick had - he was beaten up by the end of the season. And we really don't need to re-visit what went wrong with RG3. That's a whole separate story.

How about actually scouting QB's. Apparently, that's not an option. I'm not interested in getting into a me vs 20 posters deal here, so I'm out. Everyone thinks their way is the only right way and everyone who doesn't agree is delusional - including me - and from past experience on this issue - nobody's going to change their opinion. <drops mike and walks away, then trips as everyone laughs, throws batteries, and heckles - bastards>

 

[Sharkinva]

It's not we; it's them. It it was we, it would have included me - who said you learn from Mike Vick and never get a QB so reliant on running, because no matter how well they play, they're going to be beat up by the post-season. Every good year (or half good year) that Vick had - he was beaten up by the end of the end of the season. And we really don't need to re-visit what went wrong with RG3. That's a whole separate story.

How about actually scouting QB's. Apparently, that's not an option. I'm not interested in getting into a me vs 20 posters deal here, so I'm out. Everyone thinks their way is the only right way and everyone who doesn't agree is delusional - including me - and from past experience on this issue - nobody's going to change their opinion. <drops mike and walks away, then trips as everyone laughs, throws batteries, and heckles - bastards>

I will simply point out two things.

1. QBs are the most scouted and scrutinized players in the draft. And yet there is still a 60-70% failure rate of drafted QBs, likely higher when we are talking QBs drafted high.

2. Any one that says drop the mic, has never bought a mic.

Its all good, we disagree. But if you have never heard the term if it aint broke dont fix it. Our offense works with Kirk, So unless you can give me better than 25% odds that we will find a better QB for less money, IM not willing to bet the odds considering we have rolled snakeeyes for the past 20 years at the position. Its one thing if Kirk refuses to sign with us, but if we are pushing him out the door because we are so convinced we can find some one better in the draft... I think desperation will again cause us to over evaluate and lead to failure.

 

[skinsdad62]

no proof of that at all.

i posted the article under the SM thread

 

[skinsdad62]

by Sm latest article that he did not want to sign his to a huge deal. Sm wanted the tag. Why do I have to keep repeating myself?

and he didnt have to but allen killed the 3 yr deal at a reasonable price

 

[deanpet21]

and he didnt have to but allen killed the 3 yr deal at a reasonable price

there was no three year deal reported with numbers. that is all speculation. the only thing that was reported was a low ball offer from SM at the start of the 2016 off season. Kc said no and signed the tag. Sm then went on and said that he does not negotiate deals using the franchise tag as a starting point.

Everyone commended SM b/c most people agreed on the wait and see approach, including active and former GM's. What was reported was that KC wanted to start his long term deal at 25M before the 2016 season. The whole redskins organization disagreed and the tag was placed.

Now the 2017 offseason came and another LTD deal was offered to KC and there was no response and he wanted to sign the tag again. Then the rumors surfaced that KC wanted 30M and be the highest paid QB in the league. Then SM was fired in March. That was the time line.

So I do not get how this was mishandled. KC never gave a LONG TERM Deal offer in the 2017 offseason. He wanted the tag again b/c it gives him more options for next off season. But if course people are saying its all the Redskins fault. Simply not true.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

there was no three year deal reported with numbers. that is all speculation. the only thing that was reported was a low ball offer from SM at the start of the 2016 off season. Kc said no and signed the tag. Sm then went on and said that he does not negotiate deals using the franchise tag as a starting point.

Everyone commended SM b/c most people agreed on the wait and see approach, including active and former GM's. What was reported was that KC wanted to start his long term deal at 25M before the 2016 season. The whole redskins organization disagreed and the tag was placed.

Now the 2017 offseason came and another LTD deal was offered to KC and there was no response and he wanted to sign the tag again. Then the rumors surfaced that KC wanted 30M and be the highest paid QB in the league. Then SM was fired in March. That was the time line.

So I do not get how this was mishandled. KC never gave a LONG TERM Deal offer in the 2017 offseason. He wanted the tag again b/c it gives him more options for next off season. But if course people are saying its all the Redskins fault. Simply not true.

Why are you so damn sensitive to the feelings of Snyder and Allen? Are you related to them? Who gives a shit if they are unfairly judged - they do the same to others all of the time.

And here you go again with your bullshit speculation. You appear to put a lot of stock into rumors if they support your stance yet cry nonstop when they don't support your position. Just let this play out already & stop reading so damn much into stupid rumors. Hopefully this works out well for both parties, but somehow I think that you will not be truly happy unless you can be proven right since that apparently is much more important to you than the success of this team.

 

[deanpet21]

Why are you so damn sensitive to the feelings of Snyder and Allen? Are you related to them? Who gives a shit if they are unfairly judged - they do the same to others all of the time.

And here you go again with your bullshit speculation. You appear to put a lot of stock into rumors if they support your stance yet cry nonstop when they don't support your position. Just let this play out already & stop reading so damn much into stupid rumors. Hopefully this works out well for both parties, but somehow I think that you will not be truly happy unless you can be proven right since that apparently is much more important to you than the success of this team.

Im am just telling you what happened. Im not taking sides.

 

[gkekoa]

Analysis | Is the Redskins media coverage obsessed over Kirk Cousins getting paid $25 million a year?

Please Dean. You are absolutely taking sides. You are the only one we have heard this 30 million BS from with no source. I put up an easily found article that says the team could have given KC a 4 year deal at 19 mil a season in 2016, with only 44 mil guaranteed. It also said he only wants to be paid fairly and has never mentioned 25 mil a season.

So stop with your bias. These articles are not hard to find.


As for theories about why QBs fail at the pro level, mine is the collegiate QB skills don't really translate to the NFL. The NFL QB has more time to film study and game plan, probably the most important part of being an NFL QB. Collegiate QBs are athletes first. A lot of their short comings as a QB are masked by superior athleticism. Well in the NFL every defender is a great athlete and that is also why the RB position has been devalued so much. The NFL is about being a professional. NCAA is about being an athlete. That is why Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and even Peyton Manning to an extent had far greater NFL careers than collegiate careers. That is also why players such as RG3 and Kaepernick had better collegiate careers.

 

[deanpet21]

Analysis | Is the Redskins media coverage obsessed over Kirk Cousins getting paid $25 million a year?

Please Dean. You are absolutely taking sides. You are the only one we have heard this 30 million BS from with no source. I put up an easily found article that says the team could have given KC a 4 year deal at 19 mil a season in 2016, with only 44 mil guaranteed. It also said he only wants to be paid fairly and has never mentioned 25 mil a season.

So stop with your bias. These articles are not hard to find.


As for theories about why QBs fail at the pro level, mine is the collegiate QB skills don't really translate to the NFL. The NFL QB has more time to film study and game plan, probably the most important part of being an NFL QB. Collegiate QBs are athletes first. A lot of their short comings as a QB are masked by superior athleticism. Well in the NFL every defender is a great athlete and that is also why the RB position has been devalued so much. The NFL is about being a professional. NCAA is about being an athlete. That is why Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and even Peyton Manning to an extent had far greater NFL careers than collegiate careers. That is also why players such as RG3 and Kaepernick had better collegiate careers.

but he wouldn't accept that.

 

[Sharkinva]

but he wouldn't accept that.

That was never offered. Last year the Skins reportedly offered $15M a year with $20M guaranteed.

This year they have reportedly offered $20M a year for six years with $25M guaranteed. So in effect they wanted to have all the guaranteed money count against this year, and have him for six years with basically the option to release him at any time as all the guaranteed money would be accounted for.

If you would like me to break down what i suspect they offered

Year 1 fully guaranteed at $25M
Year two thru six would have an average NON guaranteed salary of around average 19M a year, but as all that money would have been non guaranteed, in effect it would be a 1 year $25M contract, with buy in options by a certain date of each year, and if they decided NOT to buy in, Kirk would become a free agent and the Skins would not owe any further bonus money because they in effect paid it all in 2017.

Now that would be sweet for the team, because they would basically be on a contracted year to year lease. But no player in thier right mind would have accepted what they were offering

 

[skinsdad62]

BS dean a 3 year 16 mil a season was all but done but was killed by Allen and it has been posted by me

 

[skinsdad62]

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Understanding its softball homer Larry Michaels , but here is KC on his contract and how he feels

 

[skinsdad62]

As Kirk Cousins indicated on "#Redskins Nation" ..I'm hearing that talks between #Redskins & Cousins have indeed been positive of late.