Coach Saban wasn't that great...

[TrustMeIamRight]

Yeah, i knew before i hit post reply you would drag out that tired old WSJ article that was so filled with bullshit it could float.
So let me ask you a very pertinent question here. Since clearly these kids were ll railroaded (your opinion) how many of those kids went on to be called in or accepted into an NFL camp and is playing on an NFL team, since clearly they were not injured (your opinion)? I am sure the WSJ has done an article on this, right? To prove that their articld had validity and Bama was t tossing medical scholarships for no reason and the players were healthy and capable of playing at a higher level.

I have never alleged any University can afford a Nick Saban. I simply made a claim he uld do what he has done at any place given enough time. This of course brought out your absurd list of Univefsities he could not transform. If a University is going after him, they will have to pony up the money and resources, so its on the university to decide. I have detailed no Universities other than MSu and if they went after Nick, they would have to find the money and resources. Otherwise, why else are they going after him but to be a player in the big games. Nick does enough charity work, he wont do it at the expense of Universities who cannot afford to play in the big pond. Schools like Michigan, Alabama, Texas, OSU, and others know what thsy sign on for, so stop with your bullshit dramatics and whining. Football makes money, dont think so, just visit Alabama and look at the newer facilities being built or are finished and being used. Nick brought that to a new level and thats the bottom line...period.

Newsflash genius -- not every kid you sign to a scholarship is going to play in the NFL. As a matter of the fact, NONE of the guys you are trying to remove from the roster to open up a scholarship are even playing for Bama. He used a loophole to rid the roster of unwanted kids he didn't recruit. Do you think it was just a coincidence that after 4 years, the medical hardships just all of sudden went back to the NCAA norm? I can't believe how blind some people are. Let me guess, you think it was a coincidence that he'd repeatedly run into recruits when visiting high schools in a dead period, so much so that they named a rule after him.

You can't be that big of a fool. It is no different than Harbaugh saying he is doing the satellite camps because he just loves to coach football and it has nothing to do with recruiting. Stop being a fool. These coaches are being paid millions to win games -- they will bend, twist and push every boundary and rule looking for a loophole to gain an advantage. Period.


Lastly, as I've said a MILLION TIMES, Saban could not do what he has done at Alabama, but for a select few. You need to open your eyes and realize CFB is big business for a select few. The other schools use the revenue they receive from the big schools to fund their athletic departments and upgrade their campuses. A school isn't going to magically give Saban a blank check unless they can AFFORD TO. Michigan State isn't one of those schools. If they were, they would have paid him to begin with.

I swear, it is like talking to the wall.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Didn't Dantonio pull two 4 starts from Ann Arbor this year, what part of the thumb is that in, I might be confused about my Michigan geography. I could have sworn he got a 4 star TE out of Ohio too.

I seem to recall his 2016 class had 9 top 300 players on it as well, and a quick scan says 2 are from Ohio...and only two are from Michigan. I guess the others are from Canada or somewhere else you don't consider part of Michigan State's territory.

So, Saban couldn't pull recruits from Ohio, but Dantonio can...wait, I thought Saban was a better recruiter than Dantonio.

I think we may have stumbled on some alternative facts here...

You can pull any recruit you'd like out of Ohio if Ohio State isn't going after them. Same with Ann Arbor. Antjuan Simmons went to school across the street from UM, he signed with OSU, decimmitted and signed with State because UM signed 3 higher ranked LB's. And Hunter Rison lived in Atlanta his whole life -- you may remember his dad, he had his mansion burned down by Lisa 'Left Eye' From TLC (sp). He is in the MSU hall of fame and also UM signed 4 blue chip WR's.

So yes, I agree, you can get the leftovers. But the top recruits coming out of HS in those areas. It isn't happening. OSU will steal the occasional guy from Michigan. And Michigan will steal the occasional guy from OSU. But it rarely ever happens with MSU, which makes what Dantonio has done so impressive

 

[Rolltide94]

Newsflash genius -- not every kid you sign to a scholarship is going to play in the NFL. As a matter of the fact, NONE of the guys you are trying to remove from the roster to open up a scholarship are even playing for Bama. He used a loophole to rid the roster of unwanted kids he didn't recruit. Do you think it was just a coincidence that after 4 years, the medical hardships just all of sudden went back to the NCAA norm? I can't believe how blind some people are. Let me guess, you think it was a coincidence that he'd repeatedly run into recruits when visiting high schools in a dead period, so much so that they named a rule after him.

You can't be that big of a fool. It is no different than Harbaugh saying he is doing the satellite camps because he just loves to coach football and it has nothing to do with recruiting. Stop being a fool. These coaches are being paid millions to win games -- they will bend, twist and push every boundary and rule looking for a loophole to gain an advantage. Period.


Lastly, as I've said a MILLION TIMES, Saban could not do what he has done at Alabama, but for a select few. You need to open your eyes and realize CFB is big business for a select few. The other schools use the revenue they receive from the big schools to fund their athletic departments and upgrade their campuses. A school isn't going to magically give Saban a blank check unless they can AFFORD TO. Michigan State isn't one of those schools. If they were, they would have paid him to begin with.

I swear, it is like talking to the wall.

Well, since Michigan is one of those schools that you said you could do it at...and there was enough talent there prior to Jimmy Jam to put 11 guys in the league this year, what is Jimmy Jam's excuse for being the 3rd best team in his division. Apparently being a Tweet whore and Jimmy Jams Super Duper Sleepover Camps are not getting it done. I know, I know, just wait until he has his own qb, just wait until he has 4 years of his own recruits...blah, blah, blah

LOL, all of that is bullshit, just like your bullshit coach. What happens this year when he doesn't win 10 games what is on the excuse agenda for then?

 

[7Samurai13]

Remember that time when Saban tried forcing a player to take a medical scholarship who is now playing for Texas Tech, oh wait, that was Harbaugh trying to force a player to do that.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Well, since Michigan is one of those schools that you said you could do it at...and there was enough talent there prior to Jimmy Jam to put 11 guys in the league this year, what is Jimmy Jam's excuse for being the 3rd best team in his division. Apparently being a Tweet whore and Jimmy Jams Super Duper Sleepover Camps are not getting it done. I know, I know, just wait until he has his own qb, just wait until he has 4 years of his own recruits...blah, blah, blah

LOL, all of that is bullshit, just like your bullshit coach. What happens this year when he doesn't win 10 games what is on the excuse agenda for then?

Did it upset you that I showed you how foolish your latest post was? I'm just speaking the truth. Don't get bent out of shape.

And you are speaking to the wrong UM fan about excuses. I've said the same from the get go. He isn't going to change the team overnight. I love what our defense was last year and they did their job all year. If you hold OSU to 3 points in regulation, you can't complain about the defense. We had the skill position guys to compete for a title last year, but they didn't have the QB. UM isn't like Bama. They don't have 5 star RB's backing up 5 star RB's, so if teams stack the box and force the QB to beat them, UM failed.

I'm happy with 10 wins seasons in back to back years. This year we will be starting a lot of youth, so we could have some rough patches, but 2018 on, UM will be set to compete on a yearly basis. I already predicted 8-9 wins for this year.

 

[outofyourmind]

I'm not going to read the 200+ posts since my last Takeaway.
But my 2nd Takeaway from scanning is that:

1. @TrustMeIamRight is writing a novel to reinforce his position.
2. Alabama fans are writing a novel to reinforce their position.

Who is winning???
Anybody's guess.

 

[4down20]

I'm not going to read the 200+ posts since my last Takeaway.
But my 2nd Takeaway from scanning is that:

1. @TrustMeIamRight is writing a novel to reinforce his position.
2. Alabama fans are writing a novel to reinforce their position.

Who is winning???
Anybody's guess.

I just copy and paste shit I've written in the past lately because it's the same shit over and over with him. Saban is justification for anything Harbaugh does for him, regardless of the circumstances/facts.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Newsflash genius -- not every kid you sign to a scholarship is going to play in the NFL. As a matter of the fact, NONE of the guys you are trying to remove from the roster to open up a scholarship are even playing for Bama. He used a loophole to rid the roster of unwanted kids he didn't recruit. Do you think it was just a coincidence that after 4 years, the medical hardships just all of sudden went back to the NCAA norm? I can't believe how blind some people are. Let me guess, you think it was a coincidence that he'd repeatedly run into recruits when visiting high schools in a dead period, so much so that they named a rule after him.

Reality check moron, I know exactly why these kids were asked to leave. Now, did you know they had 1 year scholarships? The university could have simply not renewed the scholarship and said get the fuck out, but they offered them a way out where they get to continue to walk or bend over and still get an education. Pretty magnanimous gesture, huh? The point I tried to make that you yourself didnt get is these kids were sour grapes children who wanted to be on a team they really had no business being on because they were not strong enough, could not contribute, or were injured in some way. Not everyone is cut out to play at top flight universities like Bama, Michigan, OSU, Texas, Oklahoma etc etc etc. So they got an education from Bama free of charge, god how fucking horrible for them .

You can't be that big of a fool. It is no different than Harbaugh saying he is doing the satellite camps because he just loves to coach football and it has nothing to do with recruiting. Stop being a fool. These coaches are being paid millions to win games -- they will bend, twist and push every boundary and rule looking for a loophole to gain an advantage. Period.

Again, If you read my post and clearly you didnt, you would see that its all about making money and I am fine with that. But instead, you had to put your own little spin on it, like I knew you would.

Lastly, as I've said a MILLION TIMES, Saban could not do what he has done at Alabama, but for a select few. You need to open your eyes and realize CFB is big business for a select few. The other schools use the revenue they receive from the big schools to fund their athletic departments and upgrade their campuses. A school isn't going to magically give Saban a blank check unless they can AFFORD TO. Michigan State isn't one of those schools. If they were, they would have paid him to begin with.

I swear, it is like talking to the wall.

You seem confused as I detailed exactly the scenario and it first depends on the University wanting to go after Saban, so in this case the onus is on that school, is it not? I again, have not detailed one University other than MSU and if they decided to go after Saban, then clearly they would pony up the cash or they would not get him. Its a pretty simple concept that I think you are missing the point on. I am not bringing any school in, i am simply stating that if one does, there will be demands that have to be met before he makes a move and this will show how eager they are to play with the big boys. Once a school has ponied up the cash, Saban will have the resources to start to build a program. How long that takes is based on who, what and how much. Who is who contacted him, What is what it will take to get big name players to play there and how much is how much money will that University have to spend for its investment to pay off. Some are not capable, so they wont make the attempt, thus why I detailed no Universities other than MSU. MSU could go after Nick if they wanted because I am sure money wise they can afford to make some changes, but would they? Doubtful because his price tag is too high for them to run the risk of going for broke on an aging coach. Could he make MSU a winner of a title, I have no doubt, given enough time and money to throw at the facilities and program. So now spin this so you can talk to the wall again, i am just bouncing ideas off a stone headed moron who cannot seem to grasp I am not disillusioned at all, I know exactly what we have in a coach, and i still like the man.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I just copy and paste shit I've written in the past lately because it's the same shit over and over with him. Saban is justification for anything Harbaugh does for him, regardless of the circumstances/facts.

I havent posted against him since last year and wont try to find all that shit, just to appease his simple mind. I am in the office today doing paperwork and this is a diversion of sorts. He seems to think Bama fans dont know who Nick is. Yet he thinks he knows

 

[Rolltide94]

Did it upset you that I showed you how foolish your latest post was? I'm just speaking the truth. Don't get bent out of shape.

And you are speaking to the wrong UM fan about excuses. I've said the same from the get go. He isn't going to change the team overnight. I love what our defense was last year and they did their job all year. If you hold OSU to 3 points in regulation, you can't complain about the defense. We had the skill position guys to compete for a title last year, but they didn't have the QB. UM isn't like Bama. They don't have 5 star RB's backing up 5 star RB's, so if teams stack the box and force the QB to beat them, UM failed.

I'm happy with 10 wins seasons in back to back years. This year we will be starting a lot of youth, so we could have some rough patches, but 2018 on, UM will be set to compete on a yearly basis. I already predicted 8-9 wins for this year.

So...UM has routinely pulled in the 2nd best recruiting class in the B1G, but Jimmy Jam turns that into back to back 3rd place in their own division results.

While I can see how a UM fan could see that as improvement, you'll understand how the rest of us are skeptical of Jimmy Jam's ability to take it to the next level.

 

[4down20]

I havent posted against him since last year and wont try to find all that shit, just to appease his simple mind. I am in the office today doing paperwork and this is a diversion of sorts. He seems to think Bama fans dont know who Nick is. Yet he thinks he knows

He's been a dumbass since day 1.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Reality check moron, I know exactly why these kids were asked to leave. Now, did you know they had 1 year scholarships? The university could have simply not renewed the scholarship and said get the fuck out, but they offered them a way out where they get to continue to walk or bend over and still get an education. Pretty magnanimous gesture, huh? The point I tried to make that you yourself didnt get is these kids were sour grapes children who wanted to be on a team they really had no business being on because they were not strong enough, could not contribute, or were injured in some way. Not everyone is cut out to play at top flight universities like Bama, Michigan, OSU, Texas, Oklahoma etc etc etc. So they got an education from Bama free of charge, god how fucking horrible for them .

Again, If you read my post and clearly you didnt, you would see that its all about making money and I am fine with that. But instead, you had to put your own little spin on it, like I knew you would.




You seem confused as I detailed exactly the scenario and it first depends on the University wanting to go after Saban, so in this case the onus is on that school, is it not? I again, have not detailed one University other than MSU and if they decided to go after Saban, then clearly they would pony up the cash or they would not get him. Its a pretty simple concept that I think you are missing the point on. I am not bringing any school in, i am simply stating that if one does, there will be demands that have to be met before he makes a move and this will show how eager they are to play with the big boys. Once a school has ponied up the cash, Saban will have the resources to start to build a program. How long that takes is based on who, what and how much. Who is who contacted him, What is what it will take to get big name players to play there and how much is how much money will that University have to spend for its investment to pay off. Some are not capable, so they wont make the attempt, thus why I detailed no Universities other than MSU. MSU could go after Nick if they wanted because I am sure money wise they can afford to make some changes, but would they? Doubtful because his price tag is too high for them to run the risk of going for broke on an aging coach. Could he make MSU a winner of a title, I have no doubt, given enough time and money to throw at the facilities and program. So now spin this so you can talk to the wall again, i am just bouncing ideas off a stone headed moron who cannot seem to grasp I am not disillusioned at all, I know exactly what we have in a coach, and i still like the man.

Let's see, first it was legit injuries because doctor's take an oath and now it is, they weren't good enough and Bama made the mighty gesture of letting them stay at school, while kickoff NFL them off the team.

Remember when I said Saban is king of cut throat coaching? That right there proves my point. These kids didn't recruit Alabama, Alabama recruited them. Saban is the one who goes on the record saying he has never cut a player from the team, yet as you just said, that is exactly what he did. And you should get the rest of the Bama fan base on the same page. 420 will tell you all the injuries were legit and Saban cured the injuries from happening, it was just a coincidence they stopped after 4 years or once Shula's recruits were gone.

Lastly -- once you figure out there are only a select few schools who can write a blank check, the quicker you can get the fantasy of Saban going anywhere and winning a title out of your head.

The part that blows my mind is -- HE COACHED AT MSU -- not for one year or two years. He coached there for 5 years and not only didn't win the conference, he finished 5th twice, 6th twice and tied for 2nd once. He won 0 bowl games. Let me guess, he'd be Bill Belicheck if he stayed in the NFL, even if he never even made the playoffs.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

He's been a dumbass since day 1.

Says the guy who literally said, Shula recruits were more injury prone than Saban recruits and that is why you guys had so many medical hardships and why they stopped after 4 years

 

[4down20]

Says the guy who literally said, Shula recruits were more injury prone than Saban recruits and that is why you guys had so many medical hardships and why they stopped after 4 years

Not that it matters, you always refuse to accept things, but for about the 10th time:

How Alabama is so successful with injury recovery and prevention

If you don't understand the differences in the Alabama program from 2007 to the present day, then you're as dumb as everyone else thinks you are.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Not that it matters, you always refuse to accept things, but for about the 10th time:

How Alabama is so successful with injury recovery and prevention

If you don't understand the differences in the Alabama program from 2007 to the present day, then you're as dumb as everyone else thinks you are.

Did you miss your own Bama faithful saying they know exactly what Saban was doing with the medical hardships?

 

[4down20]

Did you miss your own Bama faithful saying they know exactly what Saban was doing with the medical hardships?

You mean where he said they weren't able to compete and contribute to the team?

Let me just copy and paste what I told you over a year ago, not that it actually matters.

If a player is able to play after an injury is relative to the talent on the team. I'm sure Tyrone Prothro could have gone out there and "played" in 2007 as far as being able to run at some speed, and do whatever even after his grueling injury that he has had a dozen surgeries since.

But that doesn't mean he would have been able to play at the level needed to compete and contribute to the team. He no doubt would have lost a good bit of speed, flexibility and agility due to his injuries.

Now, if the team is low on talent, then maybe even after such injuries he could still contribute to such a team. He might could have transferred to some JC team and got playing time, to which people like yourself would be like "Them Alabama doctors just pushed him off the team". But on a team stacked with talent, such a player is basically unable to perform at the level needed and thus takes a medical.

It's all about the level of play after the injury and it's all relative to the team. But carry on with your ignorance.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You mean where he said they weren't able to compete and contribute to the team?

Let me just copy and paste what I told you over a year ago, not that it actually matters.

Did you miss the WSJ article where the one player was going thru his year end stuff after the bowl game, where he was on the team and practiced all year, and he was approached by the coaching staff to take a medical hardship.

Did he 'get injured' on the flight home from the bowl game he didn't play in?

He was expendable, not injured. Just like the guy they offered a grad assistant job. The open scholarships meant more than those players. It wasn't some conspiracy about Shula recruits getting injured. It is laughable that you even suggested that.

 

[4down20]

Did you miss the WSJ article where the one player was going thru his year end stuff after the bowl game, where he was on the team and practiced all year, and he was approached by the coaching staff to take a medical hardship.

Did he 'get injured' on the flight home from the bowl game he didn't play in?

He was expendable, not injured. Just like the guy they offered a grad assistant job. The open scholarships meant more than those players. It wasn't some conspiracy about Shula recruits getting injured. It is laughable that you even suggested that.

The WSJ article interviewed 3 people.

1 of them was not critical of what happened at all.

1 of them said he thought he could still play, but accepted the diagnosis.

There was only 1 guy who said he felt it was pushed on him and that he was a little bitter before it went on to say he accepted the offer and was very well treated. He wasn't playing any significant time in his own words.

That person was Chuck Kirschman, who had a reoccurring ankle injury that started way back in high school.

And of course, what is always ignored by you - they don't have to give them medical scholarships, and it has to be approved. Scholarships only last 1 year, they can just not renew them if that's what they want to do. And personally, I'm fine with it happening and always have been. But don't take cases where it didn't happen and claim it did.

 

[B_dub]

I just copy and paste shit I've written in the past lately because it's the same shit over and over with him. Saban is justification for anything Harbaugh does for him, regardless of the circumstances/facts.

He's got 2 note cards of retarded stats that he goes back and forth from on every other post.

 

[Mike30142]