Your thought on two B1G teams possibly making it?

[The Q]

They won't play in the conference championship game.

They could. Theoretically.

 

[rmilia1]

Other than being undefeated in the regular season, winning one more game, winning their division, and actually playing in a championship game that is. Would it be better to reward Ohio State for not playing in a championship game and punish Alabama for playing in one?

Winning your division isn't a data point the committee uses so that's pretty irrelevant. At the end of the day Bama would have more .500+ wins than OSU but not the quality of wins at the top and OSU would have the better loss. There would not be any common opponents to compare and neither would be a P5 winner. The resumes ( as the committee looks at them) would be nearly identical. Now if you're asking ME personally I think winning your division should matter because it's adding an extra game to your schedule vs a quality opponent so losing that game should not penalize you too harshly

 

[rmilia1]

I've been saying this as well. OSU needed to beat MSU soundly and it didn't happen. Beating Michigan by a big score at home could erase some memories, but what if PSU or Wisconsin lights up the other? They get in and OSU is out..? Not getting to the CCG is a killer.

I don't know if it's a killer. It's certainly not preferable but OSU still has a good shot of making it. Really to LOCK themselves in I think OSU just needs a UW or Clemson loss. Buckeyes may get in anyway but that'd take the suspense out

 

[ericd7633]

They could. Theoretically.

I was under the impression that PSU winning Saturday was the scenario. Might have misunderstood.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I'm sure the committee is busily crunching the numbers to see how they can include Ohio State under any possible scenario. I don't exactly blame them, as this particular Buckeye team is pretty badass, and just might be the best possible matchup for Bama.

 

[The Q]

I'm sure the committee is busily crunching the numbers to see how they can include Ohio State under any possible scenario. I don't exactly blame them, as this particular Buckeye team is pretty badass, and just might be the best possible matchup for Bama.

They've already done that in the past....so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Across The Field]

so you're saying OSU will be in if they beat UM but lose to Wisky in the CCG?

AND with Washington as a 1 loss conference champion?

OSU is highly unlikely to go to the CCG

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If Washington wins out they should be in it but if they drop another then it opens the door for either Penn State or Wisconsin

This is the part I don't like, but would understand. Between Penn State and Wisconsin -- they barely reached 350 yards of offense COMBINED against UM.

No way should PSU go. If a team is emptying the bench in the third quarter and running out the clock. You aren't a top 4 team.

And the Wisconsin game ended 14-7, but was as one sided as the PSU game. Wisconsin only crossed midfield when they returned an interception 60 yards to the UM 31. A FG with the yips (3 missed short FGs) and an INT inside the 10 was the only reason it was remotely close.

It'd be like Michigan beating OSU and then the committee giving the 4th spot to Oklahoma over OSU.

I will say this though -- if Speight is out, I'd rather not see UM in the CFP anyways.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

They've already done that in the past....so it wouldn't surprise me.

OSU would have to beat UM and have MSU beat PSU to get into the conference CCG.

 

[BigAppleBadger]

Big Ten will only get one team--whoever wins the CCG.

What's the justification for dropping OSU from #2 to #5 if they beat #3 Michigan to end the season?

The committee has clearly set up this week's rankings to allow for two B1G teams if Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin all win this week and then Wisconsin wins the CCG. They have Washington waiting in the wings if Wisconsin doesn't win that CCG (Penn State would jump an idle Oklahoma, but would not jump Washington).

 

[The Q]

What's the justification for dropping OSU from #2 to #5 if they beat #3 Michigan to end the season?

The committee has clearly set up this week's rankings to allow for two B1G teams if Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin all win this week and then Wisconsin wins the CCG. They have Washington waiting in the wings if Wisconsin doesn't win that CCG (Penn State would jump an idle Oklahoma, but would not jump Washington).

TCU dropped from 3 to 6 after beating a team by 50....

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

What's the justification for dropping OSU from #2 to #5 if they beat #3 Michigan to end the season?

The committee has clearly set up this week's rankings to allow for two B1G teams if Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin all win this week and then Wisconsin wins the CCG. They have Washington waiting in the wings if Wisconsin doesn't win that CCG (Penn State would jump an idle Oklahoma, but would not jump Washington).

Conference champions matter. Washington in, OSU out.

 

[BigAppleBadger]

TCU dropped from 3 to 6 after beating a team by 50....

They didn't beat the #3 team in the country.

Conference champions matter. Washington in, OSU out.

They matter if it's close, but not if it's pretty clear a non-champion is better.

 

[Voltaire26]

Or does a one loss Ohio State get left out if let's say Penn St wins the B1G?

If ohio state stays with one loss (and that's a big if), ohio state has to be in the playoff. They are the 2nd best team in college football. No other team (conference champion or not) would be more deserving. Keep looking ahead to the playoffs and take your mind of the current ... please

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

If PSU wins the CCG:

"oooh, Nittany Lions, we would LOVE for you guys to go play in the ROSE BOWL! Wouldn't that be FUN??? That's usually where the Big Ten Champs go play!"

 

[Voltaire26]

Your thought on two B1G teams possibly making it?

I would have no problem with two B1G making it Michigan/ohio state is an elimination game though.

 

[Voltaire26]

Id go with

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Penn State
4. Ohio State

In that scenario.

In that scenario

1. Alabama (easy choice - even if they lose a close game to Auburn)
2. ohio state
3. Clemson
4. Penn State

and yes ... playoffs go to 8 teams (lots of bitching)

 

[rmilia1]

What's the justification for dropping OSU from #2 to #5 if they beat #3 Michigan to end the season?

The committee has clearly set up this week's rankings to allow for two B1G teams if Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin all win this week and then Wisconsin wins the CCG. They have Washington waiting in the wings if Wisconsin doesn't win that CCG (Penn State would jump an idle Oklahoma, but would not jump Washington).

OSU is ranked 2nd right now based on their resume being 2nd best according to the committee. However the committee doesn't have all the variables yet
At WORST winning your league title makes up 25% of a teams resume ( and that's if you believe the committee doesn't value it more than the other criteria). Buckeyes fans like to point to their resume all the time when talking wins and losses but many of them gloss right over the fact theyre going to be lacking a HUGE piece of that resume. Not winning your league title is akin to playing no ranked teams all year. Doesn't automatically disqualify you, just makes it tougher

 

[fishinabarrel]

Conference champions matter. Washington in, OSU out.

They do matter, but they can't be viewed as the end all be all. A strong out of conference schedule and conference strengths have to be considered or else you are setting a dangerous precedent for some boring football. Conference champions should and are the #1 thing the committee looks at, but the rest of the list should also be able to trump the #1 on the list.

 

[BigAppleBadger]

OSU is ranked 2nd right now based on their resume being 2nd best according to the committee. However the committee doesn't have all the variables yet
At WORST winning your league title makes up 25% of a teams resume ( and that's if you believe the committee doesn't value it more than the other criteria). Buckeyes fans like to point to their resume all the time when talking wins and losses but many of them gloss right over the fact theyre going to be lacking a HUGE piece of that resume. Not winning your league title is akin to playing no ranked teams all year. Doesn't automatically disqualify you, just makes it tougher

I don't think it's anywhere near this formulaic.

If that scenario happens, then they have two wins over league champions (Oklahoma, Wisconsin), another top 10 team (Michigan) and one loss to a top 10 team (PSU). Nothing Washington has done this season trumps that, especially their non-conference slate against Rutgers, Idaho and Portland State.

Until they go to a 6-game playoff with automatic P5 bids and a wild card, it's still about selecting the "best 4 teams in the country". Winning a conference is a possible indicator that a team is one of the four best, but if it's clear on other evidence that they're not, it doesn't give them an automatic berth.