YES!!!!!!

[True Lakers Fan]

What do the Lakers have to do with you betting whether or not the Pacers finish with a better record than the Heat?

I think he is saying fuck the Lakers and forget about them because he is thinking about other things - which is fine. I understand that mentality, but, Um, why this thread then if he doesn't want to think about the Lakers?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

It's a stretch because the NBA has to first prove that some one in the Lakers actually spoke to Paul George and even if Paul George did talk to Magic Johnson, I have a hard time believing that he would stab Magic Johnson in the back by telling the NBA. He would permanently damage his career if his goal is still the Lakers. Obviously a pipe dream for the new head loser in charge of the Pacers

 

[Kold]

Lol, all these teams can collude to build super teams, but when it's possibly the Lakers, these owners feathers always get ruffled

 

[bksballer89]

Lol, all these teams can collude to build super teams, but when it's possibly the Lakers, these owners feathers always get ruffled

What teams collude to build super teams? Almost all the time it is players contacting players to build super teams. It's not another owner/coach/gm contacting a player while he is still under contract with another team. Not saying Magic did this but point is, this is completely different than players contacting each other.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Yes, that 2.0 3 attempts per game that he averaged, just killed his field goal percentage.

Just curious what were the records of the '04 Magic and '05 Bucks when Pachulia played for them. They certainly didn't have an Enes Kanter or Steven Adams to clog up the paint and absorb more rebounds. You think that maybe, just maybe, Zaza may have been given a greater opportunity on less-than-adequate rosters during those years?

I get a kick out of that almost two months after the fact, we still have fans of other teams rambling about the Pacers' return value from the trade. But to just about every Pacers fan I've conversed with on RealGM, it's water under the bridge and a dead issue at this point. Most of them are quite content to enter the season with the players we currently have.

I don't think any Pacers fan realistically expects or want any compensation as a result of these tampering charges. In fact, most of them actually prefer not to lament or even talk about PC13...

 

[Heatles84]

Just curious what were the records of the '04 Magic and '05 Bucks when Pachulia played for them. They certainly didn't have an Enes Kanter or Steven Adams to clog up the paint and absorb more rebounds. You think that maybe, just maybe, Zaza may have been given a greater opportunity on less-than-adequate rosters during those years?

I get a kick out of that almost two months after the fact, we still have fans of other teams rambling about the Pacers' return value from the trade. But to just about every Pacers fan I've conversed with on RealGM, it's water under the bridge and a dead issue at this point. Most of them are quite content to enter the season with the players we currently have.

I don't think any Pacers fan realistically expects or want any compensation as a result of these tampering charges. In fact, most of them actually prefer not to lament or even talk about PC13...

Keep thinking that. As soon as you see how terrible your team is, you guys will be revisiting the lack of return for George.

There are some fans that are just plain homers (you and Wiggy are prime examples) and think that any move is a good move. This is another example.

 

[Kold]

What teams collude to build super teams? Almost all the time it is players contacting players to build super teams. It's not another owner/coach/gm contacting a player while he is still under contract with another team. Not saying Magic did this but point is, this is completely different than players contacting each other.

Fair point, but for example, Mitch Kupchak always got railed on for waiting until the day of free agency to talk to players, while the way of the Nba is getting out and recruiting/talking to these guys agent well before free agency starts

 

[WiggyRuss]

Why you shading my Dude Leaf?

I bet he has a solid year shooting the rock.

Leaf will be a good player someday--- rookies usually dont add up to a lot of wins though

why i am kinda nervous in Philly--- i love that roster--- but Simmons and Fultz are rookies and Embiid has how many games under his belt?

Dude----- that team is gonna be insane in a year or two though. The Celtics and Sixers are gonna have some freaking BATTLES going forward down the line in a year or two.

And as i said--- I def would pick the Lakers roster over the Pacers---- but the Pacers are better equipped to win now and are in the better ocnference.

Oladipo is the best player right now on either team. Turner is the best big man on either team. Collison and Joseph is a pretty strong/deep point guard position.

Ingram's value is still based WAAAAAAY more on projection than anything he has done. Ball is a rookie - and i think my comp of a young Jason Kidd w/o the defense is pretty spot on. He will show flashes but be a rookie also.

Randle is atrocious defensively and doesnt have enough range to spread the court. Hes going to have to add something to his game if hes going to be a long term starter- because undersized big men that cant shoot and cant defend the rim, and arent good defenders- are not exactly highly valued---- honestly- i think in some ways Nance Jr. has actually shown more of a ceiling.

The Pacers SF position is atrocious with Glen Robinson and Bogdon- that is for sure--- but they are at least vets and will be predictably below average.

Thad Young- i mean- he kind of reminds me a lot of Julius Randle to be honest with you- kind of undersied PF's with no defense....but Young is the veteran and is just better at this point-- im sure thatll change in year or two as Randle keeps developing and Young keeps aging- but as of right now- if i was trying to win a game id take Young.

Brewer and Deng- if they get the playing time and stay healthy- along with KCP have the ability to at least TRY and keep the Lakers defense together.

Honestly- KCP- is he the Lakers best player for THIS year?--- him or maybe Lopez- the 7 foot center that averaged 5.4 rebounds a game last year?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Leaf will be a good player someday--- rookies usually dont add up to a lot of wins though

why i am kinda nervous in Philly--- i love that roster--- but Simmons and Fultz are rookies and Embiid has how many games under his belt?

Dude----- that team is gonna be insane in a year or two though. The Celtics and Sixers are gonna have some freaking BATTLES going forward down the line in a year or two.

And as i said--- I def would pick the Lakers roster over the Pacers---- but the Pacers are better equipped to win now and are in the better ocnference.

Oladipo is the best player right now on either team. Turner is the best big man on either team. Collison and Joseph is a pretty strong/deep point guard position.

Ingram's value is still based WAAAAAAY more on projection than anything he has done. Ball is a rookie - and i think my comp of a young Jason Kidd w/o the defense is pretty spot on. He will show flashes but be a rookie also.

Randle is atrocious defensively and doesnt have enough range to spread the court. Hes going to have to add something to his game if hes going to be a long term starter- because undersized big men that cant shoot and cant defend the rim, and arent good defenders- are not exactly highly valued---- honestly- i think in some ways Nance Jr. has actually shown more of a ceiling.

The Pacers SF position is atrocious with Glen Robinson and Bogdon- that is for sure--- but they are at least vets and will be predictably below average.

Thad Young- i mean- he kind of reminds me a lot of Julius Randle to be honest with you- kind of undersied PF's with no defense....but Young is the veteran and is just better at this point-- im sure thatll change in year or two as Randle keeps developing and Young keeps aging- but as of right now- if i was trying to win a game id take Young.

Brewer and Deng- if they get the playing time and stay healthy- along with KCP have the ability to at least TRY and keep the Lakers defense together.

Honestly- KCP- is he the Lakers best player for THIS year?--- him or maybe Lopez- the 7 foot center that averaged 5.4 rebounds a game last year?

Shut the fuck up

 

[WiggyRuss]

@Heatles84 Sabonis started 66 games last season. Basketball Reference is quite a helpful tool if you tried it out. As far as your Zaza comparison goes, well, the fact that Sabonis was 20 years old when he started all those games I'd say is far more noteworthy. Don't you?

Sabonis was a pleasant surprise last year---- but isnt he more ofa true center?

Can Turner shoot well enough to play PF? He is def. quick enough- and i saw he started to add a 3 pointer to his game.......if thats the case his value could sky rocket as he is a good defender as well---- but it takes a lot to add an outside shot.

I obviously agree with most people that the PAcers got a below avg. return for George. I think that if Oladipo DIDNT go to IU- he prob wouldnt be on the Paceres right now. I almost think the team decided to just throw a bone to the fans.

but- the Pacers arent a disaster like the Hawks or some other teams. Leaf and Sabonis both have talent. Myles Turner is one of the best young big men in the league. Oladipo is a legit above avg. starter. I dont expect them to make the playoffs- but this isnt a 25 win team shit show either.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Hey quit picking on former Buckeye D. Russell.

Russell definitely needs to grow up--- and Ball will be better long term--- but giving up a 2nd overall pick 2 years into his career in order to bail yourself out of a terrible contract is really really bad business. Its not Magic's fault--- but he is left to pick up the pieces. It was necessary- and next year there might not have even been a team that can take Mozgov.

the Nets cap space is gone--- taking on Mozgov and Crabbe--- they wont be bailing anyone else out. THe Sixers are moving into contention mode and not bailing anyone out. ITs gonna be really hard to get off bad contracts--- expiring deals are going to start to be worth more again soon.

As i look around the league i just dont see that many landing spots for bad contracts-- not nearly as many as there have been the last couple years since the cap spiked.

 

[Heatles84]

Leaf will be a good player someday--- rookies usually dont add up to a lot of wins though

why i am kinda nervous in Philly--- i love that roster--- but Simmons and Fultz are rookies and Embiid has how many games under his belt?

Dude----- that team is gonna be insane in a year or two though. The Celtics and Sixers are gonna have some freaking BATTLES going forward down the line in a year or two.

And as i said--- I def would pick the Lakers roster over the Pacers---- but the Pacers are better equipped to win now and are in the better ocnference.

Oladipo is the best player right now on either team. Turner is the best big man on either team. Collison and Joseph is a pretty strong/deep point guard position.

Ingram's value is still based WAAAAAAY more on projection than anything he has done. Ball is a rookie - and i think my comp of a young Jason Kidd w/o the defense is pretty spot on. He will show flashes but be a rookie also.

Randle is atrocious defensively and doesnt have enough range to spread the court. Hes going to have to add something to his game if hes going to be a long term starter- because undersized big men that cant shoot and cant defend the rim, and arent good defenders- are not exactly highly valued---- honestly- i think in some ways Nance Jr. has actually shown more of a ceiling.

The Pacers SF position is atrocious with Glen Robinson and Bogdon- that is for sure--- but they are at least vets and will be predictably below average.

Thad Young- i mean- he kind of reminds me a lot of Julius Randle to be honest with you- kind of undersied PF's with no defense....but Young is the veteran and is just better at this point-- im sure thatll change in year or two as Randle keeps developing and Young keeps aging- but as of right now- if i was trying to win a game id take Young.

Brewer and Deng- if they get the playing time and stay healthy- along with KCP have the ability to at least TRY and keep the Lakers defense together.

Honestly- KCP- is he the Lakers best player for THIS year?--- him or maybe Lopez- the 7 foot center that averaged 5.4 rebounds a game last year?

I don't know how in one breath you can say that the 76ers are going to be primed for deep playoff runs on their roster. Then in turn knock Ingram who still has to put on weight and has showed a promising rookie season and 2nd year in the summer league.

The 76ers roster on paper looks amazing. But Fultz and Simmons hasn't played one NBA game yet, and Simmons just had a concerning injury in his foot; identical to what plagued Embiid his first few years. Embiid has been in the NBA for 3 years, and although he's shown a significantly high ceiling, he has only played not even a half NBA year.

That's very concerning.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't know how in one breath you can say that the 76ers are going to be primed for deep playoff runs on their roster. Then in turn knock Ingram who still has to put on weight and has showed a promising rookie season and 2nd year in the summer league.

The 76ers roster on paper looks amazing. But Fultz and Simmons hasn't played one NBA game yet, and Simmons just had a concerning injury in his foot; identical to what plagued Embiid his first few years. Embiid has been in the NBA for 3 years, and although he's shown a significantly high ceiling, he has only played not even a half NBA year.

That's very concerning.

Ingram showed promise during his rookie season? He played the most minutes out of any rookie---- some of the most minutes that have been played by a rookie in the last decade in the NBA- and he looked atrocious for the vast majority of the time.

Jaylen Brown was picked right after him and if i could take either Brown or Ingram right now id take Brown without a 2nd thought. Brown really impressed me and was one of the few Celtics who showed any balls against the Cavs.

but neither Brown nor Ingram were A+ prospects.

Simmons and Embiid are among the very best prospects to enter the NBA in the last decade+. Fultz isnt on the level of Simmons or Embiid - but hes a better prospect than either Brown or Ingram were.


And i agree with you totally on Embiid--- who knows if he is ever gonan stay healthy---- but if he does--- I mean- hes the best young player in basketball. the Sixers were really really good when he played- which is amazing since he was arookie and that barely ever happens. He is just that good.

hes a center that is an A rim defender, can handle the ball, can shoot the 3, can hit his free throws, and can pass. I mean- this guy does EVERYTHING. its truly fucking ridiculous.

I mean- if you look at the least 15 years in the NBA---- going back to one of the best, if not the best draft of all time- (LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo etc.)---- since than--- Embiid and Simmons would both be top 10 prospects that came into the league. Fultz would not be- hed prob be around top 15....Ingram wouldnt be in the top 20- neither would Brown.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Ingram showed promise during his rookie season? He played the most minutes out of any rookie---- some of the most minutes that have been played by a rookie in the last decade in the NBA- and he looked atrocious for the vast majority of the time.

Jaylen Brown was picked right after him and if i could take either Brown or Ingram right now id take Brown without a 2nd thought. Brown really impressed me and was one of the few Celtics who showed any balls against the Cavs.

but neither Brown nor Ingram were A+ prospects.

Simmons and Embiid are among the very best prospects to enter the NBA in the last decade+. Fultz isnt on the level of Simmons or Embiid - but hes a better prospect than either Brown or Ingram were.


And i agree with you totally on Embiid--- who knows if he is ever gonan stay healthy---- but if he does--- I mean- hes the best young player in basketball. the Sixers were really really good when he played- which is amazing since he was arookie and that barely ever happens. He is just that good.

hes a center that is an A rim defender, can handle the ball, can shoot the 3, can hit his free throws, and can pass. I mean- this guy does EVERYTHING. its truly fucking ridiculous.

I mean- if you look at the least 15 years in the NBA---- going back to one of the best, if not the best draft of all time- (LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo etc.)---- since than--- Embiid and Simmons would both be top 10 prospects that came into the league. Fultz would not be- hed prob be around top 15....Ingram wouldnt be in the top 20- neither would Brown.

 

[Heatles84]

Ingram showed promise during his rookie season? He played the most minutes out of any rookie---- some of the most minutes that have been played by a rookie in the last decade in the NBA- and he looked atrocious for the vast majority of the time.

Jaylen Brown was picked right after him and if i could take either Brown or Ingram right now id take Brown without a 2nd thought.

but neither Brown nor Ingram were A+ prospects.

Simmons and Embiid are among the very best prospects to enter the NBA in the last decade+. Fultz isnt on the level of Simmons or Embiid - but hes a better prospect than either Brown or Ingram were.


And i agree with you totally on Embiid--- who knows if he is ever gonan stay healthy---- but if he does--- I mean- hes the best young player in basketball. the Sixers were really really good when he played- which is amazing since he was arookie and that barely ever happens. He is just that good.

hes a center that is an A rim defender, can handle the ball, can shoot the 3, can hit his free throws, and can pass. I mean- this guy does EVERYTHING. its truly fucking ridiculous.

I mean- if you look at the least 15 years in the NBA---- going back to one of the best, if not the best draft of all time- (LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo etc.)---- since than--- Embiid and Simmons would both be top 10 prospects that came into the league. Fultz would not be- hed prob be around top 15....Ingram wouldnt be in the top 20- neither would Brown.

His rookie campaign isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. You've showed a tendency to not really watch games, so I'll take your overall assessment with a grain of salt on Ingram.

Again, you're saying that you still need to see something from Ingram given his promise. Yet you praise Simmons and Fultz who haven't played one single NBA game. Fultz looked good in the summer league, but so did Ingram.

I'm just pointing out your bullshit where you praise Simmons (who hasn't played an NBA game), yet you knock Ingram given the potential that was mentioned.

Also, for as talented as Simmons was, he couldn't even get LSU to the NIT in by far the weakest basketball conference of the Power 5 conferences.

 

[WiggyRuss]

His rookie campaign isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. You've showed a tendency to not really watch games, so I'll take your overall assessment with a grain of salt on Ingram.

Again, you're saying that you still need to see something from Ingram given his promise. Yet you praise Simmons and Fultz who haven't played one single NBA game. Fultz looked good in the summer league, but so did Ingram.

I'm just pointing out your bullshit where you praise Simmons (who hasn't played an NBA game), yet you knock Ingram given the potential that was mentioned.

Also, for as talented as Simmons was, he couldn't even get LSU to the NIT in by far the weakest basketball conference of the Power 5 conferences.

Well...lets save this post and see where we are at 3-4 months from now...sound good?

The Lakers have 2 high level prospects- Ball and Ingram.

The Sixers have 3 prospects that were rated higher than either Ball or Ingram--- Simmons, Embiid and Fultz.

That doesnt even count Dario Saric---- Saric and Embiid were both voted all rookie 1st team. Ingram is a lot closer to Saric than he is to Embiid or Simmons talent wise.

If you were to rate the prospects on both teams via talent id have to go:

1. Embiid- A+
2. Simmons- A+
3. Fultz- A
4. Ball- A
5. Saric- A-/B+
6. Ingram- A-/B+
7. Nance Jr. B-
8. Randle B-

 

[WiggyRuss]

His rookie campaign isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. You've showed a tendency to not really watch games, so I'll take your overall assessment with a grain of salt on Ingram.

Again, you're saying that you still need to see something from Ingram given his promise. Yet you praise Simmons and Fultz who haven't played one single NBA game. Fultz looked good in the summer league, but so did Ingram.

I'm just pointing out your bullshit where you praise Simmons (who hasn't played an NBA game), yet you knock Ingram given the potential that was mentioned.

Also, for as talented as Simmons was, he couldn't even get LSU to the NIT in by far the weakest basketball conference of the Power 5 conferences.

I mean just being real here.

How often do you see a #2 pick who led the league in minutes for a rookie not even be in the top 10 in the ROY voting? That has to be INSANELY rare.

1. Brogdon- 414 pts
2. Saric- 266 pts
3. Embiid- 177 pts
4. Hield- 21 pts
5. Murray- 8 pts
6. Hernangomez- 8 pts
7. Chriss- 3 pts
8. McGruder- 1 pt
9. Brown- 1 pt
10. Ferrell- 1 pt

dont sleep on Dario Saric by the way--- hes not a top tier prospect like an Embiid or Simmons--- but he seems like a GREAT fit in todays NBA.

Its why I like Philly so much--- even if one or two of their prospects goes belly up- they have wave after wave of really talented guys. ---because your right- plenty of prospects end up being major disappointments.

 

[tducey]

Interesting, does this rule them out from signing George next year I wonder?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Interesting, does this rule them out from signing George next year I wonder?

I would imagine that is Pritchards goal.

There would have to be a major smoking gun for that to happen though i would suspect.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Ingram showed promise during his rookie season? He played the most minutes out of any rookie---- some of the most minutes that have been played by a rookie in the last decade in the NBA- and he looked atrocious for the vast majority of the time.

Jaylen Brown was picked right after him and if i could take either Brown or Ingram right now id take Brown without a 2nd thought. Brown really impressed me and was one of the few Celtics who showed any balls against the Cavs.

but neither Brown nor Ingram were A+ prospects.

Simmons and Embiid are among the very best prospects to enter the NBA in the last decade+. Fultz isnt on the level of Simmons or Embiid - but hes a better prospect than either Brown or Ingram were.


And i agree with you totally on Embiid--- who knows if he is ever gonan stay healthy---- but if he does--- I mean- hes the best young player in basketball. the Sixers were really really good when he played- which is amazing since he was arookie and that barely ever happens. He is just that good.

hes a center that is an A rim defender, can handle the ball, can shoot the 3, can hit his free throws, and can pass. I mean- this guy does EVERYTHING. its truly fucking ridiculous.

I mean- if you look at the least 15 years in the NBA---- going back to one of the best, if not the best draft of all time- (LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo etc.)---- since than--- Embiid and Simmons would both be top 10 prospects that came into the league. Fultz would not be- hed prob be around top 15....Ingram wouldnt be in the top 20- neither would Brown.

Once he was a full time starter, yes.

Kid showed a ton of promise.

Do I think he's gonna take a CJ McCollum type leap?

No.

But, he will average 15 plus.

Brook will be their leading scorer and Randle /Ingram will fluctuate as the #2.

KCP will be in the mix too.

In your other post about Leaf, I agree he won't be huge year 1.

N t, I think he can be a Chandler Parsons pre-knee injury in a Season of two.